Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

[Horsa]

Since this mod takes place in a similar area, would anyone here know anything about the Curonians between the years in the title? We will be including them in Wrath of the Norsemen, but would like as much information on them as we can get. Most importantly we are looking for someone to convert unit names from English to whatever we can get to be as close to their native language. Any help is very welcome!

Thank You MADTAO for allowing me to post this.

[Kovas]

Hello Vikingr,
I found some information about Curonians in my books. Those books are in lithuanian, so I translated and summarized the information:

Information from Alfredas Bumblauskas book:
Adam from Bremen in XI century talked about men from Curlandia: The Curonians are the most aggressive tribesmen in their lands [balts lands]. They have good horses to their chariots; they have a lot of gold and their villages are full of magicians and wise persons.

Information from Rima Baliukoniene book:
The Curonians was very rich tribe, because they controlled the trade of amber. They were good sailors. They made raids in Swedish and Danish lands. Sometimes Curonians robbed bells from Danish churches and take them to their lands. Then they made weapons with the iron from the bells.


Here I put some images from Alfredas Bumblauskas book:
In this photo you can see one Curonian grave. It's very usefull, because here you can see one curonian long sword and one curonian axe:

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More Curonian swords:

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And the last image is one map where I show you 10 curonian cities:

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At the moment it's all I have about curonians. Later I'll look for more. I hope it will be helpfull for you.
Luck!

[MADTAO]

Here are first research on curonians
Names
Galdiks, Šupstiks, Penicks, Lipaits, Saraits, Valtaitjs , Dekeitis, Jakaitis, Sabeeks, Wirdeīns, Werdaīns, Tāveīns, Buzdeilīns , Laimings

Forenames
Durbe, Gaveize ,Durpis, Lamekīns, Tāwaīns, Bruzdeilīns, Wogezīns, Pērkūne, Renka, Labrencis, Enguris, Tantegode, Penikis, Kuldinga

[Horsa]

Wow, this is a big help! + rep to the both of you.

Also, any ideas for faction symbols/banners? Any kind of art from the time?

[Kovas]

Image from one lithuanian museum, Curonian family:

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One usefull map that I found in wikipedia: link , this map it's seems usefull for his big resolution and, because there you can find more curonian cities and regions.


Images about curonian's art from museums:

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Luck!

[Horsa]

Cheers. Is there any information around about rulers of the time?

[Kovas]

Cheers. Is there any information around about rulers of the time?

These curonian's art pieces would have to be until the XII century, because in XIII century (1229-1242) Curlandia was occupied by the Order of Livonia. So, after XIII century, ancient curonian's traditions were mixed with samogitians and with latvian tribes. In conclusion, the best centuries for curonians were in X-XII centuries and the majority of archeological pieces of curonians that we find now, were from those centuries. Of course we also can find some pieces previous to this centuries, like this one, from VIII-IX centuries (but this was a decoration for women):

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More curonian's art pieces that I find in internet, these 2 photos are from Lithuanian National Museum:

XII-XIII centuries:

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X-XI centuries:

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Bye!

[Horsa]

Great. I don't suppose you would know who were the rulers between 785 and 1050? Also, I was reading on wikipedia (not that it would be that accurate) that the language the Curonians spoke is extinct... So for unit names, what would be the closest we could possibly get to it?

[MADTAO]

About unit names , i found a fanatical linguist forum and there is some research on curonian gramar. So wrote me plz here unit names in english and i try to translate them.

About rulers, sadly there is no writen evidence yet founded about that time period rulers. All what we know comes from later times and those known names (most of them leaders) i already give you. So in random they can be close to needed result.

Also i propose to use some home land names as forenames wich can be taken from medieval tyme maps.

For instance : Sabeeks - from Bandava, or Galdiks - from Elsunga.

Here are some smaler place names from cronicles wich also can be used as forenames...

Thargolae, Osua, Langis, Venelis, Normis, Kiemala, Pygawas, Sarnitus, Riwa, Saccze, Edualia, Aliswanges, Ardus, Alostanotachos.

Also if you have problems with fonts and gramar signs on characters like this Tāwaīns, you can wrote it like Taawaiins.

Also intresting is the fact that best helmet founded from medieval times in Latvia teritory times is curonian one. And it is broken in ritual, becouse broken things goes with owner in to afterworld. There was two types of graves in that timescale you mod in curonia. Broken tools grave type and ritual burning grave wich shows scandinavian influence.

[Horsa]

About unit names , i found a fanatical linguist forum and there is some research on curonian gramar. So wrote me plz here unit names in english and i try to translate them.

Well, this is what I had in mind.
Youths
Skirmishers
Archers/Bowmen
Hunters
Veterans
Warriors
Bodyguard
Swordsmen
Spearmen
Axemen
Horsemen/Cavalry
Retainers
Raiders
Woodsmen
Nobles
Fanatics

About rulers, sadly there is no writen evidence yet founded about that time period rulers. All what we know comes from later times and those known names (most of them leaders) i already give you. So in random they can be close to needed result.

Ok, so we will need to use our imagination for that bit .

[MADTAO]

Ok i will translate as soon i get a time ...for now just some curonian gramars.

Curonian - Latvian Alphabet


A = A

Ā = Ā

B = B

C = C

Ç = [tsj]

D = D

Ë = [ae]

Ē = Ē

G = G

Ġ = [gi]

I = I

Y = Ī

J = J

K = K

Ķ = Ķ

L=L

Ľ = [li]

M = M

N = N

Ń = [ni]

Ō = Ō

P = P

R = R

Ŗ = [ri]

S = S

Š = Š

T = T

Ţ = [ti]

U = U

Ū = Ū

Z = Z


Counting from 1 to 10


1. Wains

2. Duj

3. Tŗys

4. Ķëţuŗëi

5. Pënķëi

6. Šëši

7. Sëpţyńëi

8. Usmëi

9. Ńëwyńëi

10. Dësimt


Courland Place names (Latvian - Curonian)


Abavnieki – Abawńyki

Aizpute – Āzpuţë

Akmensrags – Akmënsrags

Alsunga – Alswënġë

Ance – Ënçë

Anuži – Ënuġi

Bārta – Bārta

Bernāti – Bërnāţë

Bēne – Bēńë

Bunka – Bunka

Cīrava – Çyrawa

Dižstende - Dëlbsţëndë

Dubeņi – Dubëńi

Dundaga – Dundaġë

Durbe – Durbë

Dursupe – Dursapë

Džūkste – Ģūksţë

Engure – Ënġuŗë

Ezere – Ëġëŗë

Gavieze – Gawëiġë

Gramzda - Gramzdë

Grobiņa – Gŗënbińa

Irlava – Irlawa

Īvande – Ywandë

Jūrkalne – Maŗëngarbë

Kabile – Kabiľë

Kalvene – Kalwëńë

Kandava – Ķëndawa

Kaņieris – Ķëńëirs

Kazdanga – Kazdënga

Kuldīga – Kuldyga

Ķīķerkalns – Ķyķërgarbë

Laidi – Laidi

Laidze – Laiġë

Lauciene – Lauçënë

Lestene – Ľësţëńë

Lielbārta – Dëlbārta

Mežvalde – Mëdwaldë

Mērsrags – Mērsrags

Mundigciems – Mundigkaims

Ovišrags – Ōwišrags

Paplaka – Paplaka

Pape – Papë

Pastende – Pasţëndë

Pelči – Pëlçi

Pope – Popë

Priedaine - Pŗeidëńë

Priekule – Praikuľë

Pūņas - Pūnas

Pūre – Pūŗë

Renda – Ŗënda

Rokasbirze – Ŗënkasbirġë

Rude – Rudë

Sabile – Sabiľë

Sēme – Sēmë

Skrunda – Skrunda

Smārde – Smārdë

Slampe – Slampë

Stende – Sţëndë

Strazde – Strazdë

Talsi – Talsi

Tiņģere – Tinġëŗë

Tukums - Tukums

Tume – Tumë

Turlava – Turlawa

Ugāle – Ugāľë

Ukri – Ukŗi

Usma – Usmë

Užava – Užawa

Vadakste - Wadaksţë

Vaiņode – Waińëndë

Sasmaka – Sasmaka

Vandzene – Wënġëńë

Vāne – Wēńë

Vārme – Wārmë

Vecpils – Wārpils

Vectilža – Wārţilġë

Ventava – Wëntawa

Ventspils – Wëntspils

Vērgale – Wērgaľë

Viesatas – Waisatas

Vilgāle – Wilgāľë

Vībiņi – Wybińi

Zante – Zënţë

Zentene – Ġënţëńë

Ziras – Ġiras

Zlēkas – Zľēkas

Ķūļciems – Ķūlkaims

[MADTAO]

Finished!


Eng - Curonian


Youths ---- Pōiki
Skirmishers ---- Strëlńyki
Bowmen ---- Lōkińyki
Hunters ---- Mëdńyki
Veterans ---- Dižwyri
Warriors ---- Kaŗawyri
Bodyguard ---- Kōngu Sarġi
Swordsmen ---- Zōbinwyri
Spearmen ---- Šķēpunëši
Axemen ---- Kirwińyki
Horsemen ---- Jātńyki
Retainers ---- Lykōpńyki
Raiders ---- Bandëńyki
Woodsmen ---- Mëžawyri
Nobles ---- Dižukilši
Fanatics ---- Dulľaińi

[Horsa]

Wow! Thank you!!!

[Horsa]

For a faction symbol, how about using the symbol on the forth stone? To be honest I don't know what it is, so I'm asking you.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/...fd200e5fd2.jpg

Edit: Something like this?

[MADTAO]

Here will be more proper, chose color as you like. First is sun in sky, second more like moon in night.

[Horsa]

That first one is great! Thanks!

[Kovas]

Very nice faction symbols MATDAO! The second one, moon in night is impressive.

[MADTAO]

I will try to search some photos, but there is nearly no photos about curonian reconstruction, they all are balts.



Vilkatlakai

[Kovas]

I find some more pics from the meeting that made the people from MATDAO's previous photo.

[Horsa]

Thanks guys!