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    Default Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Since this mod takes place in a similar area, would anyone here know anything about the Curonians between the years in the title? We will be including them in Wrath of the Norsemen, but would like as much information on them as we can get. Most importantly we are looking for someone to convert unit names from English to whatever we can get to be as close to their native language. Any help is very welcome!

    Thank You MADTAO for allowing me to post this.

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    Hello Vikingr,
    I found some information about Curonians in my books. Those books are in lithuanian, so I translated and summarized the information:

    Information from Alfredas Bumblauskas book:
    Adam from Bremen in XI century talked about men from Curlandia: The Curonians are the most aggressive tribesmen in their lands [balts lands]. They have good horses to their chariots; they have a lot of gold and their villages are full of magicians and wise persons.

    Information from Rima Baliukoniene book:
    The Curonians was very rich tribe, because they controlled the trade of amber. They were good sailors. They made raids in Swedish and Danish lands. Sometimes Curonians robbed bells from Danish churches and take them to their lands. Then they made weapons with the iron from the bells.


    Here I put some images from Alfredas Bumblauskas book:
    In this photo you can see one Curonian grave. It's very usefull, because here you can see one curonian long sword and one curonian axe:
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    More Curonian swords:
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    And the last image is one map where I show you 10 curonian cities:
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    At the moment it's all I have about curonians. Later I'll look for more. I hope it will be helpfull for you.
    Luck!

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Here are first research on curonians
    Names
    Galdiks, Šupstiks, Penicks, Lipaits, Saraits, Valtaitjs , Dekeitis, Jakaitis, Sabeeks, Wirdeīns, Werdaīns, Tāveīns, Buzdeilīns , Laimings

    Forenames
    Durbe, Gaveize ,Durpis, Lamekīns, Tāwaīns, Bruzdeilīns, Wogezīns, Pērkūne, Renka, Labrencis, Enguris, Tantegode, Penikis, Kuldinga
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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Wow, this is a big help! + rep to the both of you.

    Also, any ideas for faction symbols/banners? Any kind of art from the time?

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    Image from one lithuanian museum, Curonian family:
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    One usefull map that I found in wikipedia: link , this map it's seems usefull for his big resolution and, because there you can find more curonian cities and regions.


    Images about curonian's art from museums:
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    Luck!

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    Cheers. Is there any information around about rulers of the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vkingr View Post
    Cheers. Is there any information around about rulers of the time?
    These curonian's art pieces would have to be until the XII century, because in XIII century (1229-1242) Curlandia was occupied by the Order of Livonia. So, after XIII century, ancient curonian's traditions were mixed with samogitians and with latvian tribes. In conclusion, the best centuries for curonians were in X-XII centuries and the majority of archeological pieces of curonians that we find now, were from those centuries. Of course we also can find some pieces previous to this centuries, like this one, from VIII-IX centuries (but this was a decoration for women):
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    More curonian's art pieces that I find in internet, these 2 photos are from Lithuanian National Museum:

    XII-XIII centuries:
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    X-XI centuries:
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    Bye!

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    Great. I don't suppose you would know who were the rulers between 785 and 1050? Also, I was reading on wikipedia (not that it would be that accurate) that the language the Curonians spoke is extinct... So for unit names, what would be the closest we could possibly get to it?

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    About unit names , i found a fanatical linguist forum and there is some research on curonian gramar. So wrote me plz here unit names in english and i try to translate them.

    About rulers, sadly there is no writen evidence yet founded about that time period rulers. All what we know comes from later times and those known names (most of them leaders) i already give you. So in random they can be close to needed result.

    Also i propose to use some home land names as forenames wich can be taken from medieval tyme maps.

    For instance : Sabeeks - from Bandava, or Galdiks - from Elsunga.

    Here are some smaler place names from cronicles wich also can be used as forenames...

    Thargolae, Osua, Langis, Venelis, Normis, Kiemala, Pygawas, Sarnitus, Riwa, Saccze, Edualia, Aliswanges, Ardus, Alostanotachos.

    Also if you have problems with fonts and gramar signs on characters like this Tāwaīns, you can wrote it like Taawaiins.

    Also intresting is the fact that best helmet founded from medieval times in Latvia teritory times is curonian one. And it is broken in ritual, becouse broken things goes with owner in to afterworld. There was two types of graves in that timescale you mod in curonia. Broken tools grave type and ritual burning grave wich shows scandinavian influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADTAO View Post
    About unit names , i found a fanatical linguist forum and there is some research on curonian gramar. So wrote me plz here unit names in english and i try to translate them.
    Well, this is what I had in mind.
    Youths
    Skirmishers
    Archers/Bowmen
    Hunters
    Veterans
    Warriors
    Bodyguard
    Swordsmen
    Spearmen
    Axemen
    Horsemen/Cavalry
    Retainers
    Raiders
    Woodsmen
    Nobles
    Fanatics

    Quote Originally Posted by MADTAO View Post
    About rulers, sadly there is no writen evidence yet founded about that time period rulers. All what we know comes from later times and those known names (most of them leaders) i already give you. So in random they can be close to needed result.
    Ok, so we will need to use our imagination for that bit .
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    Ok i will translate as soon i get a time ...for now just some curonian gramars.

    Curonian - Latvian Alphabet


    A = A

    Ā = Ā

    B = B

    C = C

    = [tsj]

    D = D

    = [ae]

    Ē = Ē

    G = G

    Ġ = [gi]

    I = I

    Y = Ī

    J = J

    K = K

    Ķ = Ķ

    L=L

    Ľ = [li]

    M = M

    N = N

    Ń = [ni]

    Ō = Ō

    P = P

    R = R

    Ŗ = [ri]

    S = S

    =

    T = T

    Ţ = [ti]

    U = U

    Ū = Ū

    Z = Z


    Counting from 1 to 10


    1. Wains

    2. Duj

    3. Tŗys

    4. Ķţuŗi

    5. Pnķi

    6. i

    7. Spţyńi

    8. Usmi

    9. Ńwyńi

    10. Dsimt


    Courland Place names (Latvian - Curonian)


    Abavnieki Abawńyki

    Aizpute Āzpuţ

    Akmensrags Akmnsrags

    Alsunga Alswnġ

    Ance n

    Anui nuġi

    Bārta Bārta

    Bernāti Brnāţ

    Bēne Bēń

    Bunka Bunka

    Cīrava yrawa

    Distende - Dlbsţnd

    Dubeņi Dubńi

    Dundaga Dundaġ

    Durbe Durb

    Dursupe Dursap

    Dūkste Ģūksţ

    Engure nġuŗ

    Ezere ġŗ

    Gavieze Gawiġ

    Gramzda - Gramzd

    Grobiņa Gŗnbińa

    Irlava Irlawa

    Īvande Ywand

    Jūrkalne Maŗngarb

    Kabile Kabiľ

    Kalvene Kalwń

    Kandava Ķndawa

    Kaņieris Ķńirs

    Kazdanga Kazdnga

    Kuldīga Kuldyga

    Ķīķerkalns Ķyķrgarb

    Laidi Laidi

    Laidze Laiġ

    Lauciene Laun

    Lestene Ľsţń

    Lielbārta Dlbārta

    Mevalde Mdwald

    Mērsrags Mērsrags

    Mundigciems Mundigkaims

    Ovirags Ōwirags

    Paplaka Paplaka

    Pape Pap

    Pastende Pasţnd

    Pelči Pli

    Pope Pop

    Priedaine - Pŗeidń

    Priekule Praikuľ

    Pūņas - Pūnas

    Pūre Pūŗ

    Renda Ŗnda

    Rokasbirze Ŗnkasbirġ

    Rude Rud

    Sabile Sabiľ

    Sēme Sēm

    Skrunda Skrunda

    Smārde Smārd

    Slampe Slamp

    Stende Sţnd

    Strazde Strazd

    Talsi Talsi

    Tiņģere Tinġŗ

    Tukums - Tukums

    Tume Tum

    Turlava Turlawa

    Ugāle Ugāľ

    Ukri Ukŗi

    Usma Usm

    Uava Uawa

    Vadakste - Wadaksţ

    Vaiņode Waińnd

    Sasmaka Sasmaka

    Vandzene Wnġń

    Vāne Wēń

    Vārme Wārm

    Vecpils Wārpils

    Vectila Wārţilġ

    Ventava Wntawa

    Ventspils Wntspils

    Vērgale Wērgaľ

    Viesatas Waisatas

    Vilgāle Wilgāľ

    Vībiņi Wybińi

    Zante Znţ

    Zentene Ġnţń

    Ziras Ġiras

    Zlēkas Zľēkas

    Ķūļciems Ķūlkaims

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    Finished!


    Eng - Curonian


    Youths ---- Pōiki
    Skirmishers ---- Strlńyki
    Bowmen ---- Lōkińyki
    Hunters ---- Mdńyki
    Veterans ---- Dižwyri
    Warriors ---- Kaŗawyri
    Bodyguard ---- Kōngu Sarġi
    Swordsmen ---- Zōbinwyri
    Spearmen ---- Šķēpunši
    Axemen ---- Kirwińyki
    Horsemen ---- Jātńyki
    Retainers ---- Lykōpńyki
    Raiders ---- Bandńyki
    Woodsmen ---- Mžawyri
    Nobles ---- Dižukilši
    Fanatics ---- Dulľaińi
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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Wow! Thank you!!!

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    For a faction symbol, how about using the symbol on the forth stone? To be honest I don't know what it is, so I'm asking you.
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/...fd200e5fd2.jpg

    Edit: Something like this?
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    Here will be more proper, chose color as you like. First is sun in sky, second more like moon in night.



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    That first one is great! Thanks!

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Very nice faction symbols MATDAO! The second one, moon in night is impressive.

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    I will try to search some photos, but there is nearly no photos about curonian reconstruction, they all are balts.



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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]







    I find some more pics from the meeting that made the people from MATDAO's previous photo.

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    Thanks guys!

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