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    Ottoman Empire - ( The Ottoman Empire or Ottoman State (Ottoman Turkish: دولتْ علیّه عثمانیّه Dawlet-il Aliyyat-il Osmāniyye, Modern Turkish: Osmanlı İmparatorluğu or Osmanlı Devleti), )


    Faction Thread - Ottoman Empire


    all discussions about the OTTOMAN EMPIRE go here


    BONUS CLIP, FUN, COMEDY,

    Nok Nok, Who is There ? Ottoman! Ottoman Who ?? Ottoman Empire.. HAHAHAHA






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    Quote Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal View Post
    OTTOMANS PREVIEW:




    Today I present units preview of the Ottoman Empire. The units are very diverse and divided into two periods: early and late eighteenth century. I would like to thank the teams ''Fire and Sword'' and the Lordz (Napoleonic 2 Total War). Thanks to the artists of these mods made today's preview. The vast majority of what is below is the work of these artists. I reworked some of details, added new faces etc., so please do give + REP them, not me. Below I link to their forum:

    ''Fire and Sword''
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=155

    the Lordz (Napoleonic 2 Total War)
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=196


    Here is a wonderful image created by the artist of the Osprey Publishing. Author dedicate this picture to us -'European Wars'. The author of this drawing is Mariusz Kozik aka Lacedemon.




    OTTOMAN ARMY:




    1. EARLY ERA:




















    2. LATE ERA:












    and Pasha (general)









    Quote Originally Posted by Boztorgai_Khan View Post
    Good WORK. +REP

    No TATAR unit for Ottomans ??


    Deliler and Bashi-Bozuklar was most Crimean-Tatar units Ottomans too know that Tatars was Crazy-Strong in Battles.

    Nice WORK. I hope it very soon see Crimean-Tatars ( Crimean Khanate ) preview



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    Ottoman Period

    *Heavy Cavalrymen

    -Timarli Sipahi: Land-owning cavalry which trained from local tax-farming management ............. [Turkish= Tımarlı sipahi]
    - Cebeli-s: Cebe means armour and Cebeli means armoured man. They were low-ranked sipahis .. [Turkish= Cebeli]


    *Light Cavalrymen

    -Akinjis (Lightly Armoured Efficient Cavalry, Akinji means Raiders) ............. [Turkish= akıncılar]
    -Musellems (Light Cavalry from first period) .......................................... [Turkish= müsellemler]
    -Crackers' -in Turkish Deliler- (For their fearless and brave efforts in the first line of battle, and with their frightening animal clothes, the crackers name had been given. They wore from bear, lion, wolf, hyena skin............................................................................................... [Turkish= deliler]
    -Farisan: Border Cavalry which in service in border forts and garnisons) .... [Turkish= farisan]
    -Land Levends: The Vizier's or State Governor's Cavalry ......................... [Turkish= kara leventleri]



    *Heavy Infantry that from dismounted Heavy Cavalry

    -Timarli Sipahi Footman....................................................... [Turkish= yaya sipahiler]



    *Other Heavy Infantries

    -Sekbans ......................... (arrow- bow- sword- mace- axe)
    -Janissaries ...................... (arrow- bow- sword)
    -Serdengecti :They were attackers and werent come again. Serdengecti means like who wants to die in battle with glory. They were bravest and courageous soldiers with their great swords.


    *Light Infantry

    -Footmen (first period infantries) ...................................................................... [Turkish= yayalar]
    -Azabs (Low ranked soldiers that they fights in the front line in battle) (kinds of them are archer azabs, castle guardians and armoured azabs)
    -Besliler -Fivemen (Castle Infantry) .................................................................... [Turkish= beşliler]
    - Derbenter-s - They guards the mountain passes. Border Fort Infantry .............. [Turkish=derbentçiler]
    -Grenadiers ............................................................................................ [Turkish= kumbaracılar]

    *Heavy Weapons

    -Catapults ................................................................... [Turkish= mancınıkçılar]
    -Artillery (or cannoneer) ................................................ [Turkish= topçular]


    *Auxiliary Troops

    -Hotheaded Militiamen. (They were untrained and ill disiplined armed villagers.) .... [Turkish= başıbozuklar]
    - Alperen-s (They were the Muslim Knights and most of them had an Islamic Order) . [Turkish= alperenler]
    - Alpghazi-s (Experienced Muslim Knights.) ....................................................... [Turkish= alpgaziler]


    Militias

    Aseses (Militias) ........................................................... [Turkish= asesler]

    - Sisters (First Period Horsewomen Warriors) ..................... [Turkish= bacılar]
    - Yoruk-s (First Period Turkoman Cavalry Militia) ................ [Turkish= yörükler]
    - Sarica-s (Light Cavalry Militia) ..................................... [Turkish= sacalar]

    ------------------------------------------
    units which can not be added to the game:

    sea levents (sea warriors)
    sea azabs (sea infantries)
    .................................................................


    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Ottoman Roster

    • Kapikulu Piyadesi : [heavy infantry][Arms: well decorated Axe –well decorated Iron Shield ][Royal Chishack Helm – full Heavy plated mail armor]
    • Sol-aks J*: [2HP – Elite Light archers - Janissary][ well decorated Axe – composite bow][Solaks uniforms][the solaks guards in the left of the sultan][ Command unite- Frighten foot and mounted – 2hp - long rang and high accuracy – equal to heavy inf in combat - recommended* if we can make new animation for Turkish style archer would be better – recruited only in Istanbol]
    • Peyks J*: [2HP – Elite light halberd - Janissary][halberd called Gaddara "like tabars, tow axes but with pike – it supposed to be well decorated too" – no shields][Peyks uniforms – the peyks stand in the right side of the sultan in the battlefields][ Command unite- Frighten foot and mounted - 2hp – the best in melee among ottomans – recruited in Istanbul – very hardy "the Peyks well known for their ability to march for long distance – it was normal to Peyks to walk for two days without stopping ]
    • Bostanijis J*: [Elite light infantry –axemen or muskets* (recommended) with axe][Bulta "one handed axe" – no shields][Bostanji uniforms]
    • Baltiji J*: [Elite light inf – Halberds or muskets with axes][Bultaji uniforms][the are the woodcutter, high attack and Def skills but no armor]
    • Zihrli Nefer Yanichari J*: [Heavy inf - halberds][halberd with Balkan style shields][heavy plated mail – metal helm][very good in melee][the Zihrli janissary ]
    • Tufekchi Yanicheri J*: [Elite inf musket][armed with Yatsgen sword [short and fast]][the Janissary \muskets were well known for their high accuracy and arte. Also their bolts were heavier that others in Europe. Their skill in melee were no less than their archery skills ]
    • Okchu Yanicheris J*: [Elite inf archers][like muskets but with bows and Kilij sword rather than Yatagen sword]
    • Derbentchi "pass guards" : [armed with Kilij sword and buckler][no uniform]
    • Ajemi Oglan [janissary recruits][archers or muskets][were Agami Oglan uniforms]
    • Okchu Azaps : [early azaps- archers with Kilij sword – no shields][no uniforms]
    • Deniz Azaps (naval) : [lightly armored crossbowmen with axe or mace and shield][ good at fight and used as garrison]
    • Kala Azaps (fortresses) [light inf with halberd and shield]
    • Piyades: [early medium infantry – armed with sword and buckler and armored with mail hauberk and helm (probably turban helm- not decorated ones)]
    • Zihrli Yerlikulu: [heavy inf with full mail armor (round helm – heavy mail hauberk – plated greaves and boot – vambrace)- armed with mace or axe and buckler] [it was common in early ottomans to use heavily armored provincial units to breach walls until the late 15th C. they made off experience foot soldiers or dismounted cavalry but they a banded with the increase use of wooden and field fortification][I'm not sure about the name though]
    • Sekban [arquebus militia][no info about early sekban][]
    • Yaya : [lightly armored inf – armed with sword, javelin and buckler]
    • Yanicheri Nefer [early Janissaries – armored with sword and composite bow – armed with turban helm and mail hauberk]
    • Misirr Yanichari [Egypt janissaries][elite muskets recruited on Cairo only – armed with musket and axe – in Egypt Janissary uniform]
    • Jaza'er Yanicheri [Algeria Janissaries][ elite muskets recruitedin the main city of Islamic west– armed with musket and sword – in Algeria Janissary uniform][they were the best skirmishing]
    • Bektashi Dervish [light elite inf- armed with axe and wooden shield][in Jehad]
    • Topcu [Artillery men]
    • Dismounted Ghazis: [armed with mace and composite bow with ottoman shield]
    • Mourtatoi [Byzantium archers mercenary]
    • Ianitsarai [Greek mercenary ]

    --------------------Cavalry--------------------
    • Kapikulu Sipahis: [KC][Kappkulu cavalry][Arms: eastern lance – royal metal shield – royal mace][Armors: Full heavy plated mail armor – armored horses]
    • SilahDar Crops [Sari Bayrak]: sultan bodyguard[KC][Armor : full Kurg armor – armored horses][eastern lance – heavy metal shield – royal mace][this unit have officer "Slahdar Aga" – he supposed to only with the sultan, so if it can be scripted that would be great]
    • Ulufeji :[KC][Kapikulu cavalry][Arms: royal mace – composite bow – royal shield][armor : advanced plated mail armor – armored hoses]
    • Garib: [KC]: [Kapikulu cavalry][composite – royal shields and mace][full heavy plated mail armor – armored horse]
    • Mutefferikas [sons of high officers and vassals][Kapikulu cavalry][armed with eastern lance – royal shields and mace][advanced plated mail armor – armored horse]
    • Timarli Sipahi [SC]: [armored with heavy plated mail hauberk – round helm][armed with mace and heavy spear with ottoman shield]
    • Jebelus "Jebelis": [SC][armed with composite bow ,Kilij sword with ottoman shield][armored with mail hauberk and mail helm]
    • Cebelus "Cebelis": [Turkish retainers][armored with long Kazagand hauberk – chishack helms][armed eastern lance and Balkan shield style – blakan sword]
    • Aknijis: [FC][elite archer][not armored][armed with composite bow – Kilij sword]
    • Deliler :[FC][Elite light lancer][not armored – armed with eastern lance and Kilij sword]
    • Besliler: [FC] [scouts – light cavalry]
    • Gonullus : [FC] [frontier militia]
    • Musellem [light medium lancer]-[light leather armor][short cavalry spear ]
    • Yoruk : [Musellem horse archer ]-[elite horse archers] - [armed with composite bow – maces –small shields ][leathery armor]
    • Ghazis : [Elite medium archers]- [armed with mace and composite bow with ottoman shield]
    Tatar : [medium archers – Regional: Balkans, Ukraine, Russia, Caucasus, Iran, Iraq, north-west-east anatolia and syria][medium horse archers] [armored with mail hauberk – armed with composite bow and Persian swords]
    • Aspahaneyyah: Heavy Persian cavalry from Iraq [armored horses – armored with heavy Persian mail armor ][lancers with tabars and heavy shield]
    • Misir Mamluks: light elite lancers [regional units: Egypt and syria]


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    Administrative Officers
    Nazır : Supervisor of a Crops

    Ağa : Commander of a regimentor large unit
    Kethüda : Lieutenant or assistant to a commanding officer
    Kethüda Yeri :
    Executive Officers
    Katib : Chief Scribe
    Çavuş Başı : Sergeant-Major
    Kapuçu : Chief Orderly
    Operational Offices
    Çorbacı : Colonel
    Odabaşı : Colonel's Assistant
    Vakilharç : Commissary
    Bayraktar : Standard Bearer
    Aşçı başı : Chief Cook
    Saki : Water Bearer














    MORE COMING SOON.. AND OTTOMAN UNIT LIST IS SO FAR:




    Unit List is So Far.

    And I Add Later More Informations.



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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    Great my friend!

    +rep

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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal View Post
    Great my friend!

    +rep

    Thank You.. My friend!

    your General - Tatar and his army ( Tatarzy / Tatarów ) Waiting your orders to attack the enemies.



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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    Thank you my Tatar friend

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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    I didnt understand the video
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    "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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    Golden Conquistador

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    It is funny video mix by Beztorgai Khan

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    Hehe, Thank You..



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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    Great brother

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    im playing as the Ottos now, and i own all the North African coast, and i made the Black sea my own private lake
    I suppose i should have some sort of sig here.

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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    question: did you add/reskin many ottoman units?


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    can you set a feature in which instead of assigning generals to the cities you assign fedul lords who add repression points to the city while he may defect if he was paid genersouly by other faction or if he decided to seprate. the titles of those lords in different areas:


    الآغاوات في الجزائر - الباشاوات في الجزائر - البايات في الجزائر - البايات في تونس - الشهابيون في لبنان - المعنيون في لبنان - دايات طرابلس - متصرفو جبل لبنان - ولاة البصرة - ولاة القدس - ولاة اليمن - ولاة بغداد/البايات - ولاة بيروت - ولاة تونس - ولاة حلب - ولاة دمشق - ولاة صيدا و عكا - ولاة غزة و يافا - ولاة فزان - ولاة مصر -...

    bey , Agha and basha in algeria
    bey , walli in tunisia
    shehab in lebanon
    Daey trabuls
    ma'aani in lebanon
    metasaref of jebal lubnan ( lebanon)
    walli of busra
    wali of juresalem (Qudus)
    wali of yeman
    walli , bey of baghdad
    wali beirut
    walli halab
    walli damascus
    walli seida and aka
    walli gaza and jafa
    walli fezan
    wlli egypt

    this is not the proper translation but it may help you to get the picture.
    ottoman known a lot of clashes and civil wars.
    I guess this features will give some realistic aspect of the true condition of the faction.
    one more thing can each city have a unieque units.


    Gracias
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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    ZorboZ, I will add full reskin of Ottomans

    r3deed, thank you for your interesting suggestion.

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    Default Re: Ottomans - Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal View Post
    ZorboZ, I will add full reskin of Ottomans

    r3deed, thank you for your interesting suggestion.
    Look at a new version of Ottoman Realism Mod 1.3.1
    http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic...d.html?page=-1

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    Yes, i like this mod. We are friendly with this team.

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    Ottomans , most realistic

    INFANTRY
    Regular , (central army of Ottoman Empire)

    Janissary - Provincial Janissaries,Janissary Musketeer,Janissary Guard Musketeer ( 3 unit) All these have musket and yatagan(or scimitiar) not single yatagan

    Not sekban boluk cemaat these are only name first create cemaat second sekban and last boluk
    Humbaraci - Humbaraci mean granadier , and they are use howitzer and mortars for artillery (1 unit)
    Bostanci - Rifle,Hand Mortar

    Irregular

    Provincial Infantry - This soldiers azaps and sekbans azaps are poor trained sekbans are consricpt-militia-voluntier
    (2 unit) Militia Musket and scimitiar
    Militia Scimitiar and Shield
    Bashi-Bazouks - Ottoman light infantry
    Mounted Bashi-Bazouks - Dragoon for cavalry

    Cavalry

    Kapikulu Cavalries - Silahdar,Sipahi Of Porte(spahi,left and right ulufecis,left and right garibs) (2 Unit) Guard Cavalry like cuirassier
    Spahi - Like dragoons
    Delis - Like uhlan,lancer and uniforms have tiger wolf bear
    Yoruks - light cavalry like hussars , nomad turks
    Provincial Cavalry - volunteer cavalries sabre and pistol
    and i wrote in infantries mounted bashi bazouks

    Artillery

    Saker (europen 6 iber turkish 9 iber)
    Demi Cannon
    18 iber - for 12 iber european
    64 iber great
    9 iber horse (sürat topçulari)
    12 iber howitzer (humbaraci style)
    24 iber howitzers(humbaraci style)
    4 inch mortar(humbaraci style)
    bombardment mortar (humbaraci style)
    rockets maybe

    New Model
    Nizam-ı Cedit İnfantry - line infantry best trained like superior european infantry at etw
    Nizam-ı cedit light infantry - light infantry
    Provincial Nizam-ı Cedit - Line infantry trained like european infantry
    Nizam-ı cedit cavalry - dragoon

    Ottomans muskets are flintlock and artillery like european artillery not yellow but have flowers motifs

    Pictures
    Provincial janissary like etw cemaat janissary but have musket and sword

    best pictures for provincial janissary


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    and



    Janissary musket and sword all janissaries

    This good


    and this old




    and best at three


    Guard or Usta(Turkish master) Janissary

    left



    right


    Humbaraci humbaracis have granadier and musket with bayonet



    Bostanci rifle 125 m range




    Bostanci hand mortar
    like these but have hand mortar


    Provincial infantry

    grat


    Bashi-bazouks and mounted bashi bazouks

    Like etw bashi bazouk but have musket and scimitar

    Kapikulu Cavalries
    Silahdar left and sipahis of porte and general bodyguards right and general (pasha) at this photo


    Spahi (other names Timarli spahi anatolian spahi)




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    Deli



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    Yoruks
    first left


    Provincial Cavalry



    Artillery
    mans like provincial infantry cannons like europeans

    Nizam-ı cedit use flintlock and bayonet



    nizam officer



    Provincial and mounted nizamı cedit mounted use carbine and sabre provincial use flintlock and bayonet




    Nizam-ı cedit light infantry

    like ntw nizam-ı cedit light infantry

    and horse artillery surat topçulari
    first left


    right first


    left artillery officer (other artilleries) artillery mans wear red ) right surat topcu


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    But howitzer and morters used by humbaracis (humbaraci uniform)



    And ottoman officer like etw deli officer only style

    My english not good but i want show real ottoman soldier,army and historical help for your mod
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