[PASSED] [Citizen] Timoleon of Korinthos (patron: Maverick) December 6th 2009

**Viking Prince** · November 25, 2009, 03:58 PM

[user]Maverick[/user]

Patron It's my privilege to nominate Timoleon for citizenship. He first came to my attention while I was reading the Was Alexander Overrated? thread and I was immediately impressed with his articulacy and knowledge of the subject. His relatively low post count is not representative of his contribution to the forum as they are for the most part of a very high quality and full of original content.

[user]Timoleon of Korinthos[/user]

Applicant Dear members of the CdeC

Probably you will be surprised by my aspiration to citizenship seeing that I am a junior member of TWC with a limited number of posts. To be honest I was myself surprised, when my would-be patron approached me and encouraged me with this idea, and to be even more honest I am still not convinced I deserve this rank, although I would consider it a great honor to achieve it.
If there is a thing I do believe, however, is that I can make a valuable addition to the site and specifically the history and science forum sections. The reasons for these are the following: first, my deep interest and amateur study of the history of antiquity, particularly the Greco-Roman world, allows me to express a well-informed opinion on related topics (post1, post2, post3, post4, post5, post6, post7, post8, post9, post10). And secondly, my identity as an undergraduate student of mechanical engineering provides me with a degree of familiarity with natural sciences (post1, post2, post3), an insight into their historical evolution(post though almost completely off topic I have to admit), as well as some acquaintance with topics related to energy(post) and climate (post).

Thank you in advance

Timoleon of Korinthos

**Каие** · November 28, 2009, 05:36 AM

Poll added.... but I'm concerned with the lack of attention this has received after almost 3 days....

**y2day** · November 28, 2009, 09:40 AM

The holiday could explain the lack of response. The first thing you notice about the applicant is his post count and the second is the lack of threads started. Once I got past that I read through his posts and was impressed. I think the member is on the right path but more time to continue contributing will be needed in my opinion.

**Augustus Lucifer** · November 28, 2009, 02:19 PM

While I can see where y2day is coming from, and have flirted with the idea of waiting until he expands his resume of posts, I think ultimately he meets the bar now. Not all of his posts are of utmost length or depth, but a large number of them are, and those which aren't could scarcely be considered 'spam'. He doesn't shy away from debates with conon and Spartan JKM, and while he doesn't achieve quite the same depth, he makes a much better case than many others.

Overall I had to ask myself if the kind of posts that Timoleon is inclined to produce are the kind of things we want from Citizens. And the answer to that question is yes, he posts in the exact manner we want from a Citizen candidate coming from the VV, with a fair degree of consistency. His posts aren't inflammatory but have just the right degree of consternation and fact checking. Furthermore, he cites his sources readily and seems to know them much better than a quick Project Gutenburg reference before posting.

**the Black Prince** · November 29, 2009, 05:51 AM

What holiday?

Anyways, sometimes things take time to research... I'm not concerned about his lack of posts, we set a low minimum criteria fora reason. His posts are excellent, well reasoned and well thought out. He's a strong debator who's already contributed a lot. A yes from me.

**Viking Prince** · November 29, 2009, 07:17 AM

My apologies, but I wanted to wait until some others had posted. Since my patron is the sponsor and I also would have sponsored him myself (I do not tend to sponsor) -- I thought it best to wait a bit before making my comments. The applicant is well read and well reasoned with his posts. If he had another 100 posts in TD or some other portion of the site -- these existing posts would still be sufficient. His post count is low simply because his actual posts are pretty meaningful and there is less foam with the beer so to speak.

I support him and wish him well.

**Tankbuster** · November 29, 2009, 08:20 AM

I know this guy and I've had discussions with him once or twice (see the climate thread). He's very knowledgeable and he's a joy to discuss and debate with. He knows his stuff and checks his sources. He also has a characteristic that I value, namely that he thinks before posting. Furthermore I don't see him getting into trouble with moderators or staff any time soon.
The only criticism I can think of is that he obviously hasn't contributed a lot in terms of quantity. When the quality is there however, it's just a matter of time before the quantity is reached.

My current inclination is to vote yes, but I'll wait what the rest of the jury has to say on this...

**Nikos** · November 29, 2009, 11:08 AM

Yeah, sorry about the lack of response, it was Thanksgiving!

Anyway, down to the business at hand, although this candidate has only contributed a paltry 172 posts, the quality of some of his posts stands out to me. The majority of his D&D posts are well researched, articulate and informative. And he debates in a relatively respectful and adult manner, which is a strong indicator to me that he will turn out to be a respectful member. That said, I think it is best to wait a little while seeing he only has so little amount of posts. Right now I'm leaning toward a no, but I am impressed. And if he fails this go around and keeps up his informative and content rich posts, I will happily vote yes in the future. But for now, I don't think he is quite ready yet.

**Tzar** · November 29, 2009, 04:50 PM

Clearly NO!

**Justinian** · November 29, 2009, 05:08 PM

I like what I've seen so far in his posts, I am going to vote a close yes.

**Nikos** · November 29, 2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tzar

Clearly NO!

Por que Tzar?

**Captain Blackadder** · November 30, 2009, 06:34 PM

What he has done is great there is a lot in terms of quality whilst there is not a large quanity I think he has already shown what he can do and there is no reason for me to think that will change in the next 100 or 1000 posts so it is a yeas from me.

**Tzar** · November 30, 2009, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Nikos

Por que Tzar?

This client has barely met our minimum requirements for citizenship and I don’t see anything amazing to be granted with citizenship. He has good potential for the future but in my opinion he is not ready yet.

**Nikos** · November 30, 2009, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tzar

This client has barely met our minimum requirements for citizenship and I don’t see anything amazing to be granted with citizenship. He has good potential for the future but in my opinion he is not ready yet.

I completely agree.

**Astaroth** · December 01, 2009, 10:01 AM

His posts are generally quite informative and can be considered a valuable contribution to the site. The high quality of the posts makes up for the lack in quantity.

Therefore, I'll be voting yes.