Trying to add new ancillaies

**Bargle** · February 18, 2012, 09:29 PM

Hoping a modder can help me.

I have designed new retainer and have tried unsuccessfully to get him included in my existing campaign.

The 'Master Monger" ( a super fishmonger no less !)
I have loaded the files and started an existing campaign.
I have a large town with an existing fish monger building and a governor located within.
I then played (fast forwarded) about 5 turns but no " retinue expands" for me

, even when I reset the acquisition chance to 90% !!

Can some one please tell me what I am doing wrong .........

See files below:

from "export_descr_ancillaries"
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary master_monger
Image carver.tga
ExcludeCultures barbarian, nomad
Description master_monger_desc
EffectsDescription master_monger_effects_desc
Effect Health 1
Effect Squalor -1
;------------------------------------------
Trigger master_monger
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition Trait AncillaryAcquired < 1
and EndedInSettlement
and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
and SettlementBuildingExists >= Fishmonger1a
and IsGeneral

Affects AncillaryAcquired 1 Chance 100
AcquireAncillary master_monger chance 50

note; both description and trigger appear in the same order in each respective section.

from "export_ancillaries"

¬---------------

{master_monger} Master Monger

{master_monger_desc}
An expert in all aspects of fish preservation and distribution.

{master_monger_effects_desc}
+1 to public health, -1 squalor

from "export_descr_ancillary_enums"

master_hunter
master_hunter_desc
master_monger
master_monger_desc
master_monger_effects_desc
master_of_archers
master_of_archers_desc

**Muizer** · February 19, 2012, 05:28 AM

~~I don't see any blatant errors here, but there are conditions that may prevent the ancillary from appearing~~

Oops..........an existing campaign, you say?

In that case, it may well be that the problem is in the order of traits/ancillaries. Make sure you add the new entries at the bottom of their respective files.

Make sure the general in question has less than 7 ancillaries. If it has 7 or more, the condition Trait AncillaryAcquired < 1 will be false

RemainingMPPercentage: I've tried this condition and it doesn't always give the result I expected. I would scrap it tbh.

Due to the structure of the Fishmonger building tree >= Fishmonger1a won't always be true if there's a fishmonger. If you want it to be true always, use > Fishmonger0 instead. However as you're looking at a large town it can only be a Fishmonger1a, so that can't be the reason your ancillary isn't working.

**Bargle** · February 19, 2012, 05:48 PM

Thanks Muizer
So in export_descr_ancillaries I re positioned the ancillary and trigger to the very bottom of each respective list, as you instructed.
I also changed the trigger section by removing "RemainingMPPercentage" and changed the building to Fishmonger0.
I then put 3 leaders in the town and they all had room for a stack more retinue.
Pressed New turn ..... still nothing

Must I also move the Master_monger entries in the "export_ancillaries" & "export_descr_ancillary_enums" to the bottom of their respective lists too ?

I'd really love to solve this problem as the 'leadership system' is so brilliant, having the ability to determine new ancillaries would really add to the whole playing experience.

[Side note, I played a few turns of my current campaign before I got your reply using the modified export_descr_ancillaries file, just to see what happens; Well it changed certain ( not all) retinue members on some leaders (eg a tutor became turncoat slave), and the appointments handed out in Rome were all screwed up, got AED's and COS's instead of Q's and PRAE 's.
( I guess it's because I have mucked up the original order of which ancillaries appear on the export_descr_ancillaries file.)]

**Maurits** · February 20, 2012, 02:52 AM

No, that's because changes in traits or ancillaries are not savegame compatible. When you start a new campaign, it should work, and it is only then that you'll be able to see the new ancillary working (provided that it's coded correctly)

**Muizer** · February 20, 2012, 04:10 AM

I think you can add traits and ancillaries mid-game, but only if you add them at the bottom, to keep the order of existing traits and ancillaries intact. The order in export_ancillaries probably won't matter, but in export_descr_ancillary_enums it probably does. I'm sorry I cannot be more definite. I rarely add new traits mid-game.

Also, if you're not using it already, try out this tool:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142568

Unfortunately, for VII it throws up a lot of false positives (all the SettlementName conditions, for instance, as well as faction names), which makes using it more involved than it should be. Still, if all else fails..........

**Bargle** · February 20, 2012, 07:29 PM

Unfortunately it still didn't work , even after I placed the 'monger' at the end of the 'enmu' script.
Perhaps Maurits is right about introducing new ancillary into saved games.

Pity, I would start a new campaign but I am at 202 BC so it would not be worth giving up just to have an above average fishmonger.

But I will start a test one just to see if it works .......

**Muizer** · February 21, 2012, 03:31 AM

It's got to be something like that. I would expect your ancillary to work. I have one suggestion left that may help debug the ancillary. You can replace all your conditions with the single condition GovernorBuildingExists > Fishmonger0

This condition checks whether a character is the governor (and therefore implicitly a general in a settlement) and whether a building exists.

**Bargle** · February 22, 2012, 03:54 PM

thanks again
I'll give it a go and let you know how it went

**Caligula Caesar** · February 26, 2012, 03:47 PM

What does the AncillaryAcquired trait do? I don't know much about ancillaries, but I'm guessing it is triggered each time an ancillary is triggered (incidentally, on this ancillary, it seems to be triggered 100% of the time whilst the ancillary is triggered 50% of the time, though there may be things in EDCT to sort that out). This would mean that only a character with no ancillaries could get this one, if I am guessing correctly.

Also, I thought the enums files didn't do anything...

**Muizer** · February 27, 2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar

What does the AncillaryAcquired trait do? I don't know much about ancillaries, but I'm guessing it is triggered each time an ancillary is triggered (incidentally, on this ancillary, it seems to be triggered 100% of the time whilst the ancillary is triggered 50% of the time, though there may be things in EDCT to sort that out). This would mean that only a character with no ancillaries could get this one, if I am guessing correctly.

Also, I thought the enums files didn't do anything...

I introduced that trait to prevent FM's from obtaining the maximum number of ancillaries (which leaves no room to transfer any manually).

Afaik the chances are evaluated independently. Combining a 100% chance for the trait with a <100% chance for the ancillariy could result in the ancillary count being higher than the actual number of ancillaries, but would not cause the ancillary not to work at all.