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    Default Some pics and small info on balkan irregulars to inspire moders.

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    If you remeber from other games the Croat units basically they are the same thing they were used by europeans as Hussars but could also dismound.



    Morlak or Morvlach or Maurovlachos






    A typical pandour like unit in westnorth balkan with vlach origin.


    Uskok





    Uskok pirate like units in Adriatic with a propably good melee stats
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    Uskoks The Pirates of Adriatic #fullpost{display:inline;}
    The Uskoci (Pronounced: "uskoczy", meaning "Uskoks"; singular: Uskok) were Serbian and Croatian Habsburg soldiers that inhabited the areas of the eastern Adriatic and the surrounding territories during the Ottoman wars in Europe. Etymologically, the word uskok itself means "the ones who jumped in" ("the ones who ambushed") in Croatian. Bands of Uskoks fought a fairly successful guerrilla war against the Ottomans, and they formed small units and rowed swift boats.
    The exploits of the uskoks contributed to a renewal of war between Venice and the Ottoman Empire (1571 - 1573). An extremely curious picture of contemporary manners is presented by the Venetian agents, whose reports on this war resemble a knightly chronicle of the Middle Ages. These chronicles contain information pertaining to single combats, tournaments and other chivalrous adventures.
    Many of these troops served abroad. At the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, for example, a Dalmatian squadron assisted the allied fleets of Spain, Venice, Austria and the Papal States to crush the Ottoman navy.


    During the early years of the 16th century, the Ottoman conquest of Bosnia and Herzegovina drove large numbers of Croats from their homes. A body of these "uskoks" established itself in the fortress of Klis near Split, and from there waged war against the Ottomans. Klis, however, became untenable, and the uskoks withdrew to Senj, on the Croatian coast. There, in accordance with the Austrian system of planting colonies of defenders along the Military Frontier, they were welcomed by Emperor Ferdinand I. Moreover, the uskoks were promised an annual subsidy in return for their services.
    Their new stronghold, screened by mountains and forests, was unassailable by cavalry or artillery. However, the fortress was admirably suitable to the lightly-armed uskoks who were excellent in guerilla warfare. The Ottomans, on their part, organized a body of equally effective troops of Orthodox Vlachs and Serbs called the Martelossi needed for defence purposes and reprisals. Since the uskoks were checked on land and were rarely paid their annual subsidy, they resorted to acts of piracy.
    Large galleys could not anchor in the bay of Senj, which is shallow and exposed to sudden gales. So, the uskoks fitted out a fleet of swift boats, which were light enough to navigate the smallest creeks and inlets of the shores of Illyria. Moreover, these boats were helpful in providing the uskoks a temporary landing on shore. With these they were able to attack numerous commercial areas on the Adriatic. Eventually, the uskoks saw their ranks swell as outlaws from all nations joined them. These outlaws also included people from areas such as Novi Vinodolski, Otočac and other towns in what is today Croatia.
    After 1540, however, Venice, as mistress of the seas, guaranteed the safety of Ottoman merchant vessels, and provided them with an escort of galleys. The uskoks retaliated by ravaging the Venetian islands of Krk, Rab and Pag. Moreover, they utilized the Venetian territories in Dalmatia as a springboard in order to launch attacks against the Ottomans. Meanwhile, the corsairs of Greece and Africa were free to raid the unprotected southern shores of Italy. Venice was besieged with complaints from the Porte, the Vatican, and the Viceroy of Naples with his sovereign, the King of Spain. A Venetian appeal to Austria for help met with little success, and the offenses of the uskoks against the Venetians were outweighed by their attacks against the Ottomans. Minuccio Minucci, a Venetian envoy at Graz, states that a share of the uskoks' spoils of silk, velvet and jewels, went to the ladies of the Archducal Court of Graz, where important matters between Venice and Austria were negotiated.
    From 1577 onwards, Venice endeavored to crush the pirates without offending Austria, enlisting Albanians in place of their Dalmatian crews, who feared reprisals at home. For a time the uskoks only ventured forth at night, during the winter season and even during stormy weather.
    In 1592, a strong Ottoman army invaded Croatia hoping to capture Senj. Led by Telli Hasan Pasha, the beylerbey of Bosnia, the Ottomans managed to capture a number of uskok settlements, killing and enslaving the population. However, the army was routed and dispersed in the following year. Austria was involved in war with the Ottomans and the Venetian admiral Giovanni Bembo blockaded Trieste and Rijeka (Fiume), where the pirates forwarded their booty for sale. They also erected two forts to command the passages from Senj to the open sea.
    In 1602, a raid by the uskoks upon Istria resulted in an agreement between Venice and Austria, and the dispatch to Senj of the energetic commissioner Rabatta with a strong bodyguard. All these measures, however, provided very little results. Rabatta was eventually murdered, and the fugitive uskoks returned to Senj where they resumed their acts of piracy. The uskoks would conduct such acts up until 1615 when their piracy went so far as creating an open war between Venice and Austria.

    A peace treaty was signed at Madrid in 1617 and it was arranged that the uskoks be disbanded, as well as their ships be destroyed. The pirates and their families were, accordingly, transported to the interior of Croatia, where they gave their name to the "Uskoken Gebirge", a group of mountains on the borders of Carniola now called Žumberak/Gorjanci, as well as White Carniola and Kostel in what is now Slovenia. Their presence has also been traced near Učka in Istria, where such significant family names as Novlian (from Novi Vinodolski), Ottocian (from Otočac) and Clissan (from Klis, older orthography), were noted by Franceschi in 1879.
    However, the Austrian Military Sea Frontier authority survived, and Uskok activity resumed in later years, causing another near war between Habsburg and Venice in 1707.




    Alkars








    Good lance like cavalry croat origin.
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    All the previous units are recruited in Adriatic area

    more to come ....
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    How about Maniots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count von Orlok View Post
    How about Maniots?
    actually i am in course of making the thread but maniots are after tha 1830dressed like that.

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    the alkars have already been made by sir caesar, I suggest you talk to them about these suggestions

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    Units used in the North east Balkans

    Slavonian Pandurs





    take a look in the pony tails



    Pomorisje cavalry(serbian)




    Serbian haiduk
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    Wallachian Roumanian Pandurs or Dorobandi











    Not quite in the same era but you can see some similarities
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    Try out my & Ahiga's unit mod. There are a couple of the units yr after in there.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=300198

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    Indeed good work Alkars look wonderfull
    The wallachina cavalry and sereszan i good units to be made.

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    Good source, mate. Nice job!
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    South balkans

    North Albanians irregulars



    South







    Some characteristic is the white caps and the fearsome shave head



    Kleftis - Armatolos Greek orthodox speaking militia and rebels



    Quite similar but not shaved head lol




    Maniots dressed in black





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    actually most of these units used by the Ottomans...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMB Total War View Post
    actually most of these units used by the Ottomans...
    not quite i can argue if you want?
    (i am looking an excuse of show off lol)
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    If its ok i will post some more pictures of Albanians

    Albanians in Egypt

    Albanian soldiers used by the Pasha of Egypt, Muhammad ‘Ali, as the elite of his regular army. Himself of Albanian descent, Muhammad ‘Ali took power in Egypt in 1805, and used his Arnavut troops to secure his control over the country. Predominantly Muslim, Arnavuts were a warlike mountain people from the region of Epirus, in the northwestern part of the Ottoman Empire. They were described by a later 19th century visitor to Cairo: ‘Their costume is artistically disheveled, their costly weapons as glittering as they are inoffensive, their proud and disdainful poses, their slightest gestures, everything about them seems to have been studied in its effect.’













    Parts of north Albania like Mani in Greece were technically never under the Ottoman rule and did fight more against ottomans than for them.

    North Albanians




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    Mani has never been conquer by ottomans.

    Maniot Flag (Victory or Death) not Freedom or Death like other greek flags

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    from where are you jo? from greek? i'm from croatia , and i know many units, and thats an insult to say Hajduk is an serbian, hajduk was an croatian unit like pandours! i gave Sir Digby Chicken the Pictures from Slavonien Pandours and Alkars, if you need help or information tell me
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    Napoleon to the Croats:"Yesterday, I saw with my own eyes of your courage and your fidelity. You acquired immortal glory and esteem, and I place you among my best troops. For your courage, I promise to you to agree all that you will ask me of as soon as we are home. I am satisfied with you, very satisfied. If i had only 300.000 Croats, i would conquer the whole world" "


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    Weren't Hajduk found in Hungary, Greece, Serbia, Poland, Romania etc? I really don't think they were restricted to Croatia!

    This is a very interesting thread, but it would be nice if more people used spoilers!

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    yes, but the typical hajduks are from Croatia and hungary together, thats why an Football club in croatia called HAJDUK Split!
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    Napoleon to the Croats:"Yesterday, I saw with my own eyes of your courage and your fidelity. You acquired immortal glory and esteem, and I place you among my best troops. For your courage, I promise to you to agree all that you will ask me of as soon as we are home. I am satisfied with you, very satisfied. If i had only 300.000 Croats, i would conquer the whole world" "


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matheo View Post
    yes, but the typical hajduks are from Croatia and hungary together, thats why an Football club in croatia called HAJDUK Split!
    I was excpecting would go nationalistic more or less

    I am not expert but i tried to find good definitions and i have to say the followings


    A Croats Serbs Slavonians and etc are slavs mainly and the language is similar.

    B.Τhe words here in Twc but in general are used with universal meaning and as general term as
    Example the word soldier exist in many languages like italian Soldat but you do not here anyone no soldiers are English.

    C. Haiduks
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    This article is about the former outlaws and guerrilla fighters of the Balkans. For other uses, see Hajduk (disambiguation).
    Hajduk (or haiduk, haiduc, hayduck, hayduk) is a term most commonly referring to outlaws, highwaymen or freedom fighters in the Balkans.




    Forms of the word in various languages include:


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    Cultural influence
    The Croatian football team HNK Hajduk Split; Serbian football teams Hajduk Kula, FK Hajduk Beograd, FK Hajduk Veljko and Hajduk Lion; the Macedonian football team FK Hajduk - Vratnica; the Romanian band Taraful Haiducilor, pop-music project Haiducii, and Roma musical troupe Taraful Haiducilor are all named after the hajduci. The surnames of the fictional character George Washington Hayduke, invented by Edward Abbey, actress Stacy Haiduk, US National soccer team defender Frankie Hejduk and Milan Hejduk, an NHL hockey player are likewise derived from this word.
    The term "haiduci" was used by the Romanian resistance movement Haiducii Muscelului, between 1947 and 1959, which opposed the Soviet occupation and the Communist government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiduk
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajduk_(soldiers)


    so it seems according to wiki that is propably turanic origin


    Pandur
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandurs


    It similar to Bashi Bazuks Albanians consider them albanians but in reality were of many nationalities.
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    aha, i did only got from name "Hajduk", sry made, i got an other meaning
    we in croatia called some of the croatian soldiers, near split Hajduks, but ok, you mean the word Soldier! ok then it is right, but if you say only Hajduk, then its an croatian soldier without international meaning!
    A. no cro and serb are not same, we hate the others, we are not the same, and it eist also other meanings in the language of croatian and serbian. WE AREN'T THE SAME!
    but sorry for the missunderstood before, but thats why i said that Hajduk croatian, sry dude!
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    Kuruc

    North balkan Hungarian unit.







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    According to Matthias Bel, an 18th century scholar, the word was first used in 1514 for the armed peasants led by György Dózsa. Bel supposed that the word kuruc is derived from the Latin word "cruciatus" (crusader), ultimately from "crux" (cross); and Dózsa's followers were called "crusaders" because the peasant rebellion started as an official crusade against the Ottomans.
    Today etymologists do not accept Bel's theory and consider the word — emerging in the 1660s in the forms "kurus", "kuroc" or "kurudsch" — to be of unknown origin. Its original meaning was understood as rebel, partisan, dissident.[1]
    In 1671 the name was used by Meni, the belerbeg pasha of Eger in what is today Hungary, to denote the predominantly noble refugees from Royal Hungary. Afterwards the name became quickly popular and was used from 1671 to 1711 in texts written in Magyar, Slovak and Turkish to denote the rebels of Royal Hungary and northern Transylvania, fighting against the Habsburgs and their policies.
    The rebels of the first kuruc uprising called themselves bújdosók (ie. fugitives) or in official long form: "different fugitive orders — barons, nobles, cavalry and infantry soldiers — who fight for the material and spiritual liberty of the Hungarian motherland".
    The leader of the last of the kuruc rebellions, Francis II Rákóczi, also did not use this term. Contemporary sources often used the term "malcontents" to denote the rebels.
    The opposite term (widespread after 1678) was "labanc" (from the Hungarian word "lobonc", literally "long hair", referring to the wig worn by the Austrian soldiers), denoting Austrians and their loyalist supporters.
    They called themselves bújdosók (fugitives). Their weapons were mostly pistols, light sabre and fokos. Their tactics and style of war were typical for light cavalry. The main subgroups were Protestants, being disgruntled by Habsburg ambitions of Counter-Reformation; nobles (from the small nobility, holding on to their privileges, while the Habsburg Court made attempts to deprive impoverished nobles of their nobility) and soldiers from the végvárs (frontier castles) who were sacked by the Habsburg generals
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    i m from croatia, and hajduk means outlaw, bandit, thief, they were never regular or iregular troops, they were rebels in balkan lands conquered by turks and sometimes worked with croats and austrians in war against turks
    also Mehmed II Great who was greatest turkish sultan was from western Balkan(probably Croat, maybe serbian or macedonian) he was born as cristian was as very young taken to Istambul to become janissary but he become sultan

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