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    ★Bandiera Rossa☭'s Avatar The Red Menace
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    Default Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    The current court of opinion places Che on a continuum that teeters between viewing him as a misguided rebel, a coruscatingly brilliant guerrilla philosopher, a poet-warrior jousting at windmills, a brazen warrior who threw down the gauntlet to the bourgeoisie, the object of fervent paeans to his sainthood, or a mass murderer clothed in the guise of an avenging angel whose every action is imbricated in violence – the archetypal fanatical terrorist.
    – Dr. Peter McLaren, author of Che Guevara, Paulo Freire, and the Pedagogy of Revolution
    There are people that will defend Che to the end as well as those who will condemn him as nothing but a terrorist, but I think that there is more to him than people realize. He was undoubtedly misguided and naive in some of his endevours but does this really make him a terrorist? What of the many people which he effected for the better? What of the noble ideas which he believed in and died for? Does it mean nothing that he wished for nothing more than for man to be completely free from tyranny and to be united in a moral cause rather than divided for material want? I live by the idea that a man should be judged by what he does over his whole life and not what he does at one time, If a man were to make mistakes but having made them in pursuit of a better life for others, then should they not be judged in regards to their whole life rather than just the "gritty" parts? Regardless of any of these measures of his life it is certain his legacy will continue on and Cuban school children will continue to begin the day by pledging "We will be like Che."
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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Just a guy, like every other revolutionary he did some serious , that most Marxist don't want you to know.

    However as he died young and fighting he will always be remember as 'what communism could have been and never was' even if his personal views regarding Latin America, socialism and liberty were quite radical to say the least, personally he disgusts me for the most part but when considering his persona and what he did I also like him just a little bit.

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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Personally, I think there were many things about him worthy of admiration.

    I can understand why some disagree though, especially if their families have been adversely affected by some of his actions.

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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Murdering bastard who killed thousands of innocents in the Batista government, relished violence for its own sake, and helped set up a dictatorship that has kept the Cuban people in captivity for fifty years. I don't like him.

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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    murdering psycho who replaced a bad government with something worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    murdering psycho who replaced a bad government with something worst.
    Now Socialist Cuba is no paradise to be sure, but I can think of a number of ways in which it is better than Batista's government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    Now Socialist Cuba is no paradise to be sure, but I can think of a number of ways in which it is better than Batista's government.
    I just finished watching a news report from a former government official of Cuba, who was saying that policemen loan out their pistols to gangs for cash. They always take out the bullets as those can be traced back to the police department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    Now Socialist Cuba is no paradise to be sure, but I can think of a number of ways in which it is better than Batista's government.
    Its not much worse but its still worse than Batistas goverment.
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    @Del Valle
    Are you suggesting there was no organised crime or corruption in the police force under Batista?

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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    A vile villain who helped destroy the unity and spirit of a nation and left it infused with fear and anger. I HATE him and that's an underestimation. His misguided principals and blood lust make him evil in my eyes.
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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    @Del Valle
    Are you suggesting there was no organised crime or corruption in the police force under Batista?
    There was and there still is, though the situation is worse still because of a failed economy and crumbling social structure.

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    Probaly both.

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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Quote Originally Posted by RomanSoldier9001 View Post
    Probaly both.
    Which is what I am saying, I believe he was a generally good person who was somewhat naive and misguided and ended up doing a bunch of negative things (Rather than an evil sadistic person)


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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    good people don't massacre others.
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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    good people don't massacre others.
    Tell that to the Crusaders, They were convinced they were doing good. Does that make it a reality?


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    Well they were quite horrible people like Baldwin who famously murdered the lord and lady of Edessa after having been adopted by them.
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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    But what of the common people who joined the crusades because of the political fervor which led them to believe they were fighting for their lord? Could you say they (the majority) did not believe they were doing the right thing?


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    Perhapse but then Che was like Baldwin a leader.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Compañero View Post
    Tell that to the Crusaders, They were convinced they were doing good. Does that make it a reality?
    The Crusades weren't about doing good. It was about land, wealth and absolution. Telling Christian men they will be absolved of any and all sins they commit when they kill a Muslim? I fail to see the good in that.

    Back to OP:
    I suppose it depends upon how far you believe he was acting for the people and how far he (Che) was acting for himself. To be honest, history weighs against the leader acting out of benevolence, even if perhaps they intended to begin that way; especially regarding revolution.
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    Default Re: Ernesto Guevara: Savior or Menace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Perhapse but then Che was like Baldwin a leader.
    Perhaps to a point, although he could be considered a subordinate as well and I believe he was in general acting for the people. Nearly all of his policies during his ministry days were based on subsidizing living expenses for the people and for making Cuba self sufficient (and able to produce goods for the population.)
    He himself even lived in not so great housing conditions and often was involved in both the creation and practice of the volunteer labor in Cuba (Himself working alongside the people while others such as Castro were too busy dealing with "matters of state" This policy of volunteer work sadly was later twisted by Castro to force the people to "volunteer"


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