Bug reports for new RC/RR compilation

**k/t** · November 15, 2010, 12:48 PM

1407, HRE early campaign. Attacking a Hungarian army together with my Byzantine allies. I deploy just fine, the enemy advances, and then poof.

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**Point Blank** · November 16, 2010, 10:29 PM

13:42:49.250 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0588_Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Trigger> fired

Turn off the advisor.

**k/t** · November 17, 2010, 11:27 AM

I saw that line, but the advisor is turned off...

It is kind of strange for it to suddenly be turned on after an entire campaign with tons of battles during which it gave me no trouble at all.

I will run the battle a third time and see if it's on or off.

**Point Blank** · November 17, 2010, 10:32 PM

How did it go?

**k/t** · November 18, 2010, 12:32 AM

I checked the advisor and it was set to None. I set it to Low, then again to None. Then I tried the battle again. This time the CTD happened as soon as I pressed the Start Battle button.

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I'm starting to think the way in which I arrange my soldiers is causing a problem. I tried the battle a fourth time, this time without rearranging my troops. I just pressed the Start Battle button right away, and I got much farther along, without CTD. I exited the battle, reloaded the game, tried the battle again, and this time arranged my troops, but in a different place from before. When I pressed Start Battle, CTD.

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Are the Byzantine reinforcements causing a problem? I fought at least two more battles together with them during this campaign, against Poland and against someone else, and I didn't have any problems.

Ok, I tried again and this time the battle went fine. The secret was to not group my crossbowmen. I got the clue that might be the problem from the "define_unit_group" bit. I think that's pretty screwed up, as I've always grouped my crossbowmen without problems. I don't know if there was a perfect storm of things going wrong, but hopefully I won't get a CTD every time I group missile units from now on.

**~~Bucle_CT~~** · November 25, 2010, 05:22 AM

Hey,
first I wanted to say that I recently reinstalled M2TW in my brand new rig just to give a try to RR/RC (|o|) and, well, all I can say is WOW!!, you made a magnificent work in here, I wish I'd tried it before.

Nevertheless, nothing in this world is perfect (your submod almost is

),and I've found that, in custom battles I can't choose neither Spain (Castile-Leon) nor Aragon factions. Just to be perfectly clear, I've installed latest RR/RC over a clean Stainless Steel 6.1, so is there any fix for this? (sorry if it's beeen already asked).

Thanks in advance and congrats again for such a great work!

**Tetters** · December 04, 2010, 08:20 AM

Just had my first CTD in a long while.
Playing Poland in late Campaign, turn 252 / 1471 ad
While attempting to siege Venice (owned by Sicily) it CTDs part way through the battle loading screen:

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I'm guessing that one of Sicilian cavalry units uses a lithuanian cavalry texture or model variant that I'm missing. Any ideas how to fix it or if anyone can send me the missing files?
Thanks

**Tetters** · December 04, 2010, 12:39 PM

Actually having searched this thread (probably what I should have done first) someone has already posted a similar problem, but I couldn't see if it got solved. I've just autoresolved the battle (thankfully I won) and am trying to make sure the sicilians don't manage to siege Venice.

Must say I'm having an immense amount of fun in this game, all sorts of epic wars have been waged and several nations have managed to conquer half of europe only to collapse. A couple have even fought back from virtual extinction to build up big empires.

**smitty** · December 23, 2010, 04:49 PM

End of turn while playing as France Late Era Campaign. CTD happens during Mongolian turn, error log looks like it has something to do with either a missing bribe portrait or the faction/minor_lose.bik file. Any help to be offered? I tried moving around with move_character lots of Mongolian diplomats to prevent them from bribing anyone that turn, but that didn't seem to fix it. Would hate to restart a new campaign, any advice on fixing the problem would be much appreciated.

Also I did a long campaign, so no faction should be winning yet, nobody has over 25 regions yet even.

*Update*

Move_character command didn't prevent the Mongols from sieging certain Khwarezmian cities, so I sent a lone general using show_cursorstat and move_character to defeat the 2 Mongolian armies attacking those cities, and voila problem fixed! Guess something in the game didn't agree with the siege commands. The ticket that tipped me off was the TC_INVADED_SETTLEMENT command in the error log. I figured one of the cities invaded by the Mongols that turn was glitching out, which was correct.

**k/t** · December 25, 2010, 12:13 PM

Viking Huskarl Axemen are listed as Late Professionals, but they have only 120 men per unit instead of 150, take 1 turn to train and the pool requires 8 or 9 turns to refill, all of which are characteristics of Early Professionals.

**Moranimator** · January 03, 2011, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tetters

Actually having searched this thread (probably what I should have done first) someone has already posted a similar problem, but I couldn't see if it got solved. I've just autoresolved the battle (thankfully I won) and am trying to make sure the sicilians don't manage to siege Venice.

Must say I'm having an immense amount of fun in this game, all sorts of epic wars have been waged and several nations have managed to conquer half of europe only to collapse. A couple have even fought back from virtual extinction to build up big empires.

Tetters, look here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...14#post7397914
This should work, it was the exact same problem I had (down to playing as the Poles besieging Venice).
Regards.

**merocaine** · January 04, 2011, 02:50 PM

Encountered a bug on hitting start battle after deployment.

1450 campaign, playing France vs the Turks, relieving a siege of Sicilian allies.

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Invalid unit?

**k/t** · January 04, 2011, 03:13 PM

Read my posts above, merocaine.

**merocaine** · January 04, 2011, 03:37 PM

I'm not grouping my units at all, just hitting start battle, it gets as far dropping the unit reinforcement icon before quitting. Grouping in this instance seems to have no effect.

I'd hazard a guess that this kind of crash only happens when you are relieving an allied city

**k/t** · January 04, 2011, 05:03 PM

I was fighting that battle with my allies, so maybe allies have something to do with this. My problem went away on its own, so I don't know how to fix yours.

**merocaine** · January 04, 2011, 05:55 PM

My guess is that it thinks that the player is a AI army, but I'm not really sure how to read the script, so I'm just shooting in the dark.

Anyway I embarked my army back on too ship and left my allies to there fate, that full stack army had my King, early 30's lots of good traits, was packed full of lancers, scots guard and other goodies, and was on its way to Greece to hammer the turkish garrisons.
The next turn all 5 Gun Holks were sunk by an absolutely huge Turkish fleet.

My new king is dangerously mad, and his heir is deranged.

Them is the breaks

**k/t** · January 26, 2011, 09:18 PM

I have this in export_descr_guilds:

Trigger 0072_Governors_Religion
WhenToTest SettlementTurnStart

Condition GovernorAttribute Piety > 5

Guild theologians_guild s 25

Isn't 25 a little much? Wouldn't 10 be more reasonable?

In the EDU I have this for Khagan Druzhina:

heavy horse
mount_effect elephant -4, camel -4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, can_formed_charge
formation 2, 4.4, 3, 6, 3, square, wedge
stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 9, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 30, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 11, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 30, 1

However, in battle they are shown with maces. What should I change the stats to for an Elite, heavy horse-riding, mace-wielding unit? This will be save game-compatible, right?

The Cuman bodyguards have this:

stat_sec 6, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 45, 1
stat_sec_attr ap

They are also Elite and they ride heavy horse. I could then put the exact same stats for the Khagan Druzhina, right? Am I overlooking any RR/RC subtlety?

I found out in the meantime that the changes will apply to the current campaign.

Actually, since the bodyguards get -2 Attack and Elite mounted units get +6, then the Khagan Druzhina should have 8 Attack and what charge? Base for mace is 2, then +1 for Elite, and...?

Hmm, it says that maces on horseback get a charge bonus of 4, so that settles the charge bonus. Attack 8 then? But should their defense remain the same then?

Ok, I did more reading of the RC guide: their defense should probably be 4 instead of 5 if they use a mace instead of a sword.

Where art thou, PB?

If Scholarii are Elite, why do they have only 6 ap secondary attack, the same as Gothic Knights, which are Superior? And why does the Cuman Bodyguard have only 5 defense instead of 4 (for mace) + 2 (for bodyguard)?

**Point Blank** · January 31, 2011, 02:44 AM

10 would be better yes.

Got my old laptop back today

Khagan Druzhina with mace will be

stat_sec 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 45, 1
stat_sec_attr ap

Defense will be 4 yes.

You'll have to change the relevant section in the entry in data/unit_models/models.db for cum_druz_han_cav_a_sp_ug0 (ie Khagan Druzhina) from:

13 MTW2_HR_Spear
13 MTW2_HR_Sword 2
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary
14 fs_test_shield 2
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
14 fs_test_shield

to:

13 MTW2_HR_Spear
12 MTW2_HR_Mace 2
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary
14 fs_test_shield 2
17 MTW2_Mace_Primary
14 fs_test_shield

Its all save-game compatible.

I can't remember if Cuman Bodyguard are elite or exceptional, looks like they are elite:

Mace attack is 1AP (mounted mace and axe are -1 attack as the cav versions are lighter) +6 Exceptional Melee Cav -2 attack Bodyguard = 5AP
Defense = 4 (Mace) +0 for Elite and defense should be 6, I forgot to add the +2 for bodyguard, doh.

Scholarii are Mace 1AP + 6 (Elite mounted) -1 (Hindered by multi-layer armor) = 6AP

**k/t** · January 31, 2011, 01:36 PM

Ok, thanks! Now I can resume the campaign.

Pechenegs are listed as Missile Cavalry, but they have a range of 70. I've been sort of following the debate in rusnmat's thread, and now I'm not sure if that's a bug or not. The range is standard Skirmish Cavalry. Am I missing something?

**Chees3** · February 01, 2011, 01:58 AM

Pechenges use to be classified as skirmish cavalry in one of the earlier versions of RC/RR so it might just be an unintended change

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