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[Problem Sleuth]

Not to be pessimistic, but didn't we try something like this a while ago?

We never actually tried it. We had a bunch of stuff done with the rules, and a lot of excitement/support, but it just kinda died off. It never really started. We never even entered an official faction making stage - people made factions even though we told them there wasn't any need to at that point yet. I think it may have been because another, finished game came along and we decided to just drop it, or something along those lines. It was 8-9 months ago, so I don't really remember all that well.

The advantages of such a game are, again, obvious. A proposed Mass Effect Alliances game would more likely than not just be a clone of SA in a different skin. Not just in rules, but in atmosphere as well. Apocalypse Alliances not only is a completely untouched time period/atmosphere, but the rules would be very distinct from previous games. Simply put, it'd be a breath of fresh air.

A Mass Effect Alliance would be nice!... Suspecting Aetius to have one in the making...

If it wasn't for SA already existing, I would see more of a point in a Mass Effect Alliance. From what I can see, it would basically end up being a clone of SA with some minor rule changes and pre-made factions instead of you making your own. Why not make a Mass Effect-themed faction for SA instead? It seems much more logical.

[Confederate Jeb]

I agree with Bert. As much as people don't like copy factions in SA, having Mass Effect-based factions in SA would be better than making a full Mass Effect alliance game, which would only probably attract people who have played the game and would just be a clone of SA to begin with. The hypothetical system Bert has posted about is something that hasn't been tried as of yet, and isn't a rip-off of anything, unless you call reviving an old idea that never got off the ground a rip-off.

[Watercress]

It looks like a good idea Bert, and I'll love to at least try this game. Who knows, it may be really good. But there might be problems with coming up with originality among the communities. From what i see, they'll basically be the same, the generic stock of grouped survivors normally found in a zombie film.

[Barry Goldwater]

I remember my 'Church of Reagan' faction from the old AA...too bad it never got off the ground

Naturally, I'd support a new AA, and I would also be willing to help if needed

[Problem Sleuth]

It looks like a good idea Bert, and I'll love to at least try this game. Who knows, it may be really good. But there might be problems with coming up with originality among the communities. From what i see, they'll basically be the same, the generic stock of grouped survivors normally found in a zombie film.

I would definitely agree with you if it was a more serious game when we tried it. But since we often intentionally tried to make factions hilarious, there was a lot of variety. While a Church of Reagan or Walmart store attempting to instate order among the chaos would have been instantly rejected in a serious game, they were perfectly permissible here.

[cfmonkey45]

So, basically, instead of this:



You want this:

[Farnan]

Yea sounds good.

But make sure we get the rules done before you start having people make factions.

[cfmonkey45]

Yea sounds good.

But make sure we get the rules done before you start having people make factions.

My bad.

[Farnan]

Not your fault. I know what it feels to want to get things started quickly and things get out of hand.

It just seems the games work when the rules are made first so people don't cry "It's dead"

[cfmonkey45]

I have a question though. How would, say, a Post-Apocalypse alliance be different from, say, a neolithic or stone age one? I mean, sure you would have guns and minor vehicles, but why not try the latter?

A while back, I thought about a mid bronze age alliance, with, say, Sumerian, Egyptian, or Greek City states.

[Farnan]

Because well neolithic and stone will be boring. Weapons are limited to Spears, Spear-Throwers and clubs.

Post-Apocalypse will have all sorts of weapons and equipment along with vehicles.

Also, the others you mentioned have been basically done as part of other games.

[Confederate Jeb]

My bad.

You've come up with plenty of stuff to make up for it. It's a good example for those who are making games what you need to have set down beforehand though.

[cfmonkey45]

Because well neolithic and stone will be boring. Weapons are limited to Spears, Spear-Throwers and clubs.

Meh, maybe.

Post-Apocalypse will have all sorts of weapons and equipment along with vehicles.

Vehicles that will probably be fried from EMP or inoperable due to the entire world economy collapsing (=no gasoline). Bullets might be hard to come by. Moreover, I doubt that there's any plausible way to make war occur, unless there are zombies; but then again I said plausible.

If we do that (survivalist in me is stirring), I'd prefer 28 days later zombies to George A. Romero/World War Z.

Also, the others you mentioned have been basically done as part of other games.

Not really. We've done regions mostly. I'm talking about Sparta v Athens, or Uruk v Babylon.

[Farnan]

Vehicles that will probably be fried from EMP or inoperable due to the entire world economy collapsing (=no gasoline). Bullets might be hard to come by. Moreover, I doubt that there's any plausible way to make war occur, unless there are zombies; but then again I said plausible.

I was going to suggest gasoline be a resource.

And making war happen is easy. The may resource is supplies. Your base communities can only make so many supplies a turn. To gain more supplies you have to establish outposts on key locations. However there is a finite amount of these locations. So to expand your economy you got to conquer key locations.

[Aetius]

Creating alliance games is fun.....

[cfmonkey45]

Creating alliance games is fun.....

Evidently.

[Sidmen]

I have more fun in creating an alliances game, and a faction than I have actually playing them.

For instance, right now I'm wanting to create an Alliances game, or at least recreate one - but its still being played and asking people to start over is incredibly selfish of me.

And yes, I'd like to do a Fallout-inspired Alliances game, but haven't due to reasons already stated.

[Aetius]

I have more fun in creating an alliances game, and a faction than I have actually playing them.

For instance, right now I'm wanting to create an Alliances game, or at least recreate one - but its still being played and asking people to start over is incredibly selfish of me.

And yes, I'd like to do a Fallout-inspired Alliances game, but haven't due to reasons already stated.

Explain exactly, you want to restart SA or something?

[Sidmen]

... I'll take this to the OOC thread that complains about there being OOC threads.

[cfmonkey45]

I'm not going to lie, my mind was blown (and my rival idea blown out) by Sidmen's SA. Although I can probably understand why.