Germany might have had more allies if it hadn't kept invading everywhereOriginally Posted by Mustache Man From Yesterday
Besides, a fully armed and prepped Germany couldn't even mount a successful invasion of an under prepared Britain.
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Germany might have had more allies if it hadn't kept invading everywhere
Besides, a fully armed and prepped Germany couldn't even mount a successful invasion of an under prepared Britain.
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Re: Most militarily successful nation?
In general I agree with point 1) & 2) with one little correction:
SourceBulgaria did not join the German invasion of the Soviet Union that began on 22 June 1941 nor did it declare war on the Soviet Union.
So there wasn't any Bulgarians on the Eastern Front.
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Comes Limitis
Re: Most militarily successful nation?
Yes. On land... Not so much on the high seas.
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I'd say the Roman Empire. It saw dozens of large scale wars and countless battles, and won the far majority of them.
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*activates old, younger, nationalist dogukan just for the hell of it*
IT'S THE TURKS!!!! YEAAAAAH
We Turks warriors....every Turk born as a soldier....we have many empires...Gokturks, Huns, Seljuks, Ottomans. Also 70& of the Mongolian army was Turkic.
We conquered very large lands and kept for centuries fighting against many enemies on many fronts.
WE PROUD TURKS also did not do bad in the last century after fall of Ottomans.
Independance war against many big powers....the chages only 5000 Turks(after all we are all the same human beings because we are Turks) made in the Korean war(Kunuri battle)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Svensksund_(1790)Yes. On land... Not so much on the high seas.
I agree with ya there.I'd say the Roman Empire. It saw dozens of large scale wars and countless battles, and won the far majority of them.
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In fact there was. But they werent fighting alongside Germany but the Soviet Union.So there wasn't any Bulgarians on the Eastern Front.
Campidoctor
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That hardly makes up for stuff like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_%C3%96land
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_K%C3%B8ge_Bay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronan_(ship)
As well as the numerous defeats against the Russian navy in the GNW, which was created on the spot against the Swedish navy. It's a miserable failure to have 43 three-deckers, 11 000 men at your disposal and good quality equipment yet still fail to stand up to Denmark's navy AND get kicked around by the brand-new Russian navy.
The Swedish navy was much like the French navy in the regard that its officers were usually better off just finding a corner to sit comfortably in rather than cause mayhem by trying to direct their forces. In the Scanian War, the highest naval officer was a man who was as much use as a naval officer as a retarded infant at a marathon. Both of Sweden's greatest flagships in the 17th century were sunk by Sweden, and both times, how to avoid those accidents would make sense to a five year old. Sweden's navy has for the most of its time been a pathetic excuse for a military force.
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The Romans also suffered some of the most epic defeats of all time.I'd say the Roman Empire. It saw dozens of large scale wars and countless battles, and won the far majority of them.
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um, who had the largest, richest and by far the most powerful empire in history? Britain did. More than a quarter of the globe, the only ultrapower.. ever. Capable of winning large scale battles (Waterloo, El Alemein) as well as holding out against overwhelming hordes (Rorkes Drift). The only reason it doesnt get a lot more credit for beating the Jerries in WW2 is because Yankee Doodle took ALL the credit. And dont even get me started on the Royal Navy.
Basically, the winner of this particular competition is Britain, by far.
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I'd put the Spanish over the English empire any day, they owned most if not all of the new world for hundreds of years and found inumerable battles against many foes, achieving outstanding victories. Why aren't they the most succesful, they lost their empire and fell into disarray.
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Charlemagne's Empire
French King's conquest (the hardest and numerous victorious wars for little land conquests)
Napoleon's Empire
Colonial Empires
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Dux Limitis
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That second map isn't making a damn bit of sense to me. (EDIT: Ah, Napoleon, duh.)
And also, French colonial possessions? A ton of desert and disastrous wars against rebellious natives? Yay? FFS, the French even got the Prince Imperial killed in a battle against some Zulus.
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I'm sorry I missed the part where the Northwest Territories were a Frankish dominion... All in all you are conflating a lot of nominal claims across time and ignoring that say when that claim on N America was maybe valid other parts of that map were not the control of Africa for example.
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I forgot this one:
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Dux Limitis
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Haha that's what threw me off.. I was like 'wait... Charlemagne.. conquered... all of Spain.. and.. America?'
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I guess you just don't mess with the man (Charlemagne) he conquered places he did not even know existed....
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'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
hoi polloi
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Darsh - what are you aiming at with the Norman map? I really doubt Roger in Sicily would see himself as a vassal of the Norman kings of England, etc or of anyone for that matter.
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'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
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And this one, English possesions in France. Nearly every Englishman has ancestors who've spent more time on French soil than you have Darsh. I know I have. You should visit France someday you might like it.
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more dickwaving...yaaaay...you suck French!!! No the British suck...loook we did this!!! OMG but we did this....
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