Persia - Information & Discussion

[Lazy Knight]

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EMERGENT FACTION: AFGHANISTAN

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Persia
The Safavids stand with one foot in the past and one in the present. Reliant on cavalry, both state-supported with musket and tribal irregulars of bow and lance, as time progresses more musket-bearing infantry options will emerge, best amongst them the long-range corps of Jazayerchis.

Since the onslaught of the Mongols, Persia has struggled to escape from the ghosts of the past. Through the efforts of Shah Abbas the Great during the 17th century they have at last managed to break the martial monopoly of lance and bow held by the arrogant Qizilbashis. Yet such endeavors have left their military akin to the Ottomans and European States of the previous centuries. The Ghulam cavalry corps are pseudo-dragoons, wielding musket and sabre from horseback or on foot while the Tufangchis are a state-maintained corps of peasants and tribesmen armed with matchlocks. Artillery is like that of the Mughals: Large and noisy. At last progressive and not recessive, the Safavids do experience reforms but of a much more domestic variety than that of the Marathas and Ottomans. Rather than adopting the close-quarters dogma of European-drill Infantry, the core of the Persian's later militaries are the corps of Jezail-wielding Afghans and disciplined Jazayerchis, wielding the large calibur and highly accurate Jezail musket.

This was a very turbulent time for Persia.
Safavid Dynasty: 1501- 1736
Afsharid Dynasty: 1736- 1750 (1796)
Zand Dynasty: 1760- 1794
Qajar Dynasty: (1785) 1794- 1925

Hotaki Dynasty: 1709-1738 (This is an Afghani dynasty that ruled over parts of Persia.)

[Husayn Bayqara]

How does the " revolutionary " Nader Shah (and his reforms eg field artillery......lack of big siege artillery was in fact a Persian Achilles' Heel ) emerge in IS c. 1730s ?

[Ahiga]

How does the " revolutionary " Nader Shah (and his reforms eg field artillery......lack of big siege artillery was in fact a Persian Achilles' Heel ) emerge in IS c. 1730s ?

Well right now there's no real emergent Nadir Shah or technology of Nadir Shah. You just reach Nadir shah style units later on in the tiers. Those units are the Jazayerchi Infantry and Cavalry. It would be splendid if we could have an emergent Afsharid Faction which the player can choose to align with but there's no methods in place. Hopefully in a later release we will have technology representing the overall theme of Nadir Shah's reforms. It bares mentioning however that field artillery did exist under the Safavids. I think he may have introduced Zamburak Camel-Guns, but they had an artillery corps since Shah Abbas I (it was just on a decline at this point).

That being said, I'll do my best to do Persia justice and give them as much personality as the Ottomans. What I'd like to do is have the reforms of Nadir Shah be Persia's own Nizam-i-cedid style event.

[Husayn Bayqara]

Thanks Ahiga ( you guys are the best ! ).

[♖TMB Total War♖]

can you give some pics?

[Ahiga]

Abdali Infantry and Cavalry:

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Tufangchiyan:

[Swerg]

Ah, the classic pajama soldiers. How I've missed them since RTW

[♖TMB Total War♖]

can give more unit pics?

[Ahiga]

Those are the only new updated units. There is no reason to take pictures of the rest.

[♖TMB Total War♖]

why? I cant download and play this mod right now and i want you to give some unit for many of the factions(its sound very interesting)

[Lazy Knight]

updated OP with upcomming 2.1 changes

[Babur]

Iranian dynasties of the 18th Century

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Safavid (1501-1736)

Nosrat



heavy savar


qezelbash:



Tofangchi (musketeer)



Zolfaqhar (standard bearer):





Afsharid (1736-1796)

zamburak:





cavalry:



standard bearer:





Savaran:



Nezami (Officer):




commander


Nadir Shah Afshar:



Tofangchi:




Zand (1750-1794) and reigned in Shiraz mainly.

cavalry officer:



standard bearer:



tofangchi (musketeers)



parcham:



General:



officer:

I hope that helped a lot

[Swerg]

Very nice! +rep

Interesting how the musketeer uniform changes basically not at all over the years

[Babur]

Very nice! +rep

thanks

Interesting how the musketeer uniform changes basically not at all over the years

yuh lol,which will mean that only a simple reskin is needed imo.

[Ahiga]

We actually merged the Zand era musketeer and the Afsharid one together. Something I could use help on is an idea of the general dress of Persian men in this period. What the average citizen would wear, the average Qizilbashi would wear. For example I see the Qizilbashi the exactly the same across the board in that 1970s Iranian Army reconstruction, which is unlikely for a diverse nomadic cast. And when I look at miniatures of the Safavid period it doesn't line up.

So if someone has miniatures (The artwork) of Safavid to Qajar (16th century Iran to 19th century Iran) men, I would appreciate it being posted

[Babur]

We actually merged the Zand era musketeer and the Afsharid one together. Something I could use help on is an idea of the general dress of Persian men in this period. What the average citizen would wear, the average Qizilbashi would wear. For example I see the Qizilbashi the exactly the same across the board in that 1970s Iranian Army reconstruction, which is unlikely for a diverse nomadic cast. And when I look at miniatures of the Safavid period it doesn't line up.

So if someone has miniatures (The artwork) of Safavid to Qajar (16th century Iran to 19th century Iran) men, I would appreciate it being posted

Safavid era painting:

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murder of Safavid envoys by Bedouins of the Hijaz:



Safavid era painting of men playing Polo:



Disastrous Battle of Chaldiran:



zanbourak (camel gunners):



Safavi era cavalry supposedly:



Nadir Shah Afshar:

[Ahiga]

Thanks Chiggis

[Babur]

Thanks Chiggis

btw I wonder when the Qizilbash disappeared in Iran

Safavid infantry commander:

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savaran?:

[Sosobra]

Is there a way to simulate it by giving Afghanistan high unrest and then giving them cores on Eshfan and high aggression towards Persian.

[Eranshahr]

Chingis khan about that disastrous battle picture of yours- That is a painting on Iranians playing polo or that horse sport the Brits have. It is the original version but then, as usual the westerners came and claimed it as their own. Just like Oil, tea and Iraq. Anyway it is not a battle it is a game