Russia - Information & Discussion

[wangrin]

Link to late Russian units : The Army of Russia 1788-1790

[Goutlard]

Well... Let's talk about the gameplay... Against the Russians !
I cannot believe that the IA only, yes, only recruits Cavalry on the battlefield.
What is that ?

[Flikitos]

It is a problem with the technologies, the AI is not able to research those. That is why Russia (as AI) is only able to recruit primitive cavalry.

[Goutlard]

Uh... Is it possible to change the IA of Russia only to make research this ?

[Navneeth Jay]

The Donzkie Kazaki units are annoying to deal with. Likewise (though not as much) with the Jazda Lanowe for Poland. The AI spams them without end, and they have very good accuracy. I suppose heavy cavalry has no place fighting in Eastern Europe.

But does anyone else still think cavalry is too weak against ranged attacks? The game cannot take into account the fact that shooting the horse won't kill the rider (usually), but still counts any part of the horse's body as a kill spot. And this becomes a serious pain when the enemy uses bows .

[Swerg]

I recall that cavalrymen would generally withdraw if their horse was killed in most cases. After all, what good is a guy trained to fight from horseback without his horse? For dragoons, what good is a mounted infantryman without his extra mobility? He'd just hold the rest of his fellows up.

Unfortunately the game doesn't allow your units to round up stray mounts, so you just have to wait until the post-battle. Your men are very picky about what horse they ride

[=Prince Nuada=]

Can we get a new unit roster in the first post please?
Cheers.

[ErikBerg]

I found a blog about Russian military history called Oderint Dum Probent, is has quite a bit of info on the Great Northern War amongst other things:
http://rusmilhist.blogspot.se/

Don't ask about how the "se" got in the link. Blogspot is weird.

[wangrin]

For Late XVIIIth century Russia, we have to possibilities :

• 1786 regulation (Potemkin's uniforms);
• 1796 regulation ;

1786 uniforms are more "exotic" than 1796 ones and both are historically accurate.

Russian's uniforms from mid to late XVIIIth century

Russian's uniforms - 1786 regulation

Russian's uniforms - 1796 regulation

Guard - infantry : Artillery and infantry :

[wangrin]

GREAT NORTHERN WAR : RUSSIAN UNIFORMS

SEVEN YEARS' WAR : RUSSIAN UNIFORMS

POTEMKINE UNIFORMS : 1786-1796

1762-1796 :

RUSSIAN UNIFORMS : 1796-1800

If someone can translate those documents underneath :

[Swerg]

So, a little suggestion regarding the Russian faction:

Essentially, whenever Russia researches a new 'era' or 'great reform' its units will become substantially weaker with the new era. This will act as a mechanic to represent the way Russia's military tended to deteriorate between wars. Russia will be able to correct these deficiencies via research, so, for example:
At the start of the game, Russia can research the 'Petrine Reform' to unlock line infantry, grenadiers, dragoons and so forth. However, all of these units will be fairly weak in comparison to their European counterparts.

To fix this, Russian players will research the 'Post-Narva Reforms', which raise Russian unit's stats and maybe unlock some new toys to play with (proper grenadiers instead of converged ones, for instance.)

The same thing will apply to all three 'modern' eras, while the first era for Russia (with pre-petrine units such as Streltsy) will remain weak

[PikeStance]

I found a nice website about the Seven Years War with descriptions and illustration of Russian and other military of the war.

The source:
Russian Army: http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...e=Russian_Army
Russian Navy (limited): http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...e=Russian_Navy
Main Page: http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Main_Page

Images

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Russian hussars of the Vengerskiy, Moldavskiy, Gruzinskiy (officer and trooper) and Serbskiy regiments from 1741 to 1764.


Russian mounted units from 1756 to 1762:

• in the background (left): a grenadier of the regiment Prinz Georg Ludwing in 1762
• in the background (right): a cuirassier and an officer from regiment Lomza in 1762
• on the left: an officer of the Lifeguards from 1756 to 1761
• in the middle: a grenadier officer of the Leib dragoons from 1756 to 1762
• on the right: a hussar of the Slobodskiy regiment from 1756 to 1761

Russian mounted troops from 1756 to 1761:

• in the background: a Russian dragoon
• on the left: a Russian cuirassier
• in the middle: an officer of the horse grenadiers
• on the right: a Russian horse grenadier

Russian troops from 1742 to 1763:

• in the background: sergeant and musketeers from the Preobrazenskiy, Semenovskiy and Izmailovskiy Guards
• on the left: a musketeer and a grenadier of a Pandour regiment
• on the right: a grenadier of the Novomirgorod garrison unit
• in the foreground: an officer of the Grenanier-Garde

The site list individual units
Here is a sample:

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Uniform Details Headgearblack kolback with a red bag and red cords, knots and tassels Neck stockblack Pelissered Fur trimblack Lace8 black braids Buttonsbrass Dolmanred with 8 black braids and brass buttons Collarred edged black Cuffsred edged with a black chevron Breechesred decorated with intricate black loops Cloakunknown colour Leather Equipment Crossbeltblack leather Waist-sashblack and red barrel sash Scabbardblack leather with iron fittings Bootsblack Hungarian boots Horse Furniture Saddleclothred with black wolf tooth edging Sabretachered, wearing a black “EP” monogram and bordered with a black lace

Gives History of the unit
Origin and History

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During the war against Turkey, from 1736 to 1739, many Hungarian deserters from the Turkish and Polish armies entered Russian service and settled in the southern regions of Russia.
At the beginning of the war with Sweden, on October 14 1741, the unit was transformed into a regular hussar regiment known as Vengerskiy Hussarskiy (Hungarian Hussar). In theory, it then counted 10 companies for a total of about 962 men (800 troopers). However, until July 1759, most Russian hussar regiments counted only 6 squadrons. Tielke specifically mentioned this regiment as counting 600 men during this period.
During the entire Seven Years' War, the regiment was under the command of colonel Maksim Zoric.

Service during the War

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At the outbreak of the war, the regiment was stationed at Tver, Pskov and in Courland. During the winter of 1756-57, the regiment joined the Russian field army.
In 1757, the regiment took part in the campaign in East Prussia under general count Apraxin. On August 30, at the battle of Gross-Jägersdorf, it was part of Riazanov brigade belonging to the rearguard. When the Russian army deployed, it was placed in the first line of the cavalry right wing.
In January 1758, the regiment took part in the Russian invasion of East Prussia. In July of the same year, it also took part in the invasion of Brandenburg. On September 11, during the retreat of the Russian army after the battle of Zorndorf, about 600 men of the regiment were part of Rumyantsev's corps who made a junction with the main army at Landsberg and encamped on the left bank of the Wartha. About mid November, the regiment took its winter quarters in Muhlhausen (today Mlynary) and Preussisch Holland (today Paslek).
In 1759, the regiment took part in the campaign in Brandenburg. On July 23, it was at the battle of Paltzig where it was attached to Demiku's light cavalry brigade deployed on the right wing of the first line. A few weeks later, on August 12, the regiment fought in the battle of Kunersdorf where it was deployed behind the Austrian Grenzers in the first line of the right wing.
At the beginning of October 1760, during the campaign in Brandenburg, the regiment formed part of Totleben's corps who captured Berlin. It then took its winter quarters in Angermünde.
At the beginning of the 1761, the regiment was part of Tottleben's corps for the campaign in Pomerania. During the campaign it was attached to Berg's cavalry corps. It reinforced Suvorov's force which was pursuing Platen's corps. On September 23, the regiment clashed with Platen's vanguard (some dragoons and Black Hussars) in the village of Różanka near Landsberg (today Gorzów Wielkopolski). On October 13 near Gulzow (today Golczewo), a few squadrons of the regiment, under the command of Filipovic; along with the Serbskiy Hussars under the command of colonel Tekely; and Tuverov and Colpackov cossacks took part in the unsuccessful assault on a Prussian convoy escorted by 50 grenadiers from battalion Schwerin. Captain Schönholz ordered the Prussian convoy to form a Wagenburg and was quickly rescued by major Potscharly's small force consisting of 300 men from Belling Hussars, 200 volunteers from Grenadier Battalion 17/22 Rothenburg and 1 gun. On November 18, the regiment took part in combat of Labuhn (today Łabuń Wielki). On November 26 at Fierhof, along with Rizhskiy Horse Grenadiers, Horvat Hussars, Tverskiy Dragoons and Tobolskiy Dragoons, it attacked the Prussian infantry. On December 2 along with Horvat Hussars and 2 guns, the regiment once more took part to a clash with the Prussians, attacked from the left while brigadier Krasnoscekov attacked from the right with 400 cossacks and Tverskiy Dragoons (commanded by Suvorova). The regiment wintered in Pomerania.

[wangrin]

RUSSIAN GENERALS :

EARLY XVIIIth CENTURY

• Adam Veyde
• Anikita Ivanovitch Repnine

Source : The Russian Generals, 1700-1705

MID XVIIIth CENTURY

• Count Piotr Semionovich Saltykov
• Alexander Borissovitch Buturlin

Source : Kronoskaff - Russian personalities

LATE XVIIIth CENTURY :

• Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov

[tomySVK]

Catherine II Commanders:

Army:

Pyotr Alexandrovich Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky

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Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov

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Semyon Zorich

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Nikolai Vasilyevich Repnin

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Navy:

Alexei Grigoryevich Orlov

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John Paul Jones

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Fyodor Fyodorovich Ushakov

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Minister of War and Navy

Grigory Aleksandrovich Potemkin-Tavricheski

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EDIT:

Potemkin in navy uniform:

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[Cro_Hunger999]

I found a better portrait of Fyodor Fyodorovich Ushakov:






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[Cro_Hunger999]

RUSSIAN ENVOYS

Jacob Sievers (1731 - 1808)




Iosif Igelström (1737 - 1823)





Yakov Bulgakov (1743 - 1809)





Nikolai Vasilyevich Repnin (1734 - 1801)

[Cro_Hunger999]

Ivan Ivanovich Betskoi or Betskoy (Russian: Ива́н Ива́нович Бе́цкой; 14 February 1704 – 11 September 1795) was a Russian school reformer who served as Catherine II's advisor on education and President of the Imperial Academy of Arts for thirty years (1764–94). Perhaps the crowning achievement of his long career was the establishment of Russia's first unified system of public education.

[Cro_Hunger999]

Prince Alexander Andreyevich Bezborodko (Ukrainian: Олександр Андрійович Безбородько; Russian: Алекса́ндр Андре́евич Безборо́дко; 25 March 1747 – 6 April 1799) was the Grand Chancellor of Russia (1797 - 1799) and chief architect of Catherine the Great's foreign policy after the death of Nikita Panin in 1783.

[Cro_Hunger999]

Prince Nikolai Ivanovich Saltykov (Russian: Николай Иванович Салтыков, 31 October 1736 – 28 May 1816), a member of the Saltykov noble family, was a Russian Field Marshal and imperial courtier. He was the head of the Russian Army as the president of the War Collegium 1791–1802. He was also the Lieutenant Grand Master of the Order of Malta from 1801 - 1803. He was also the tutor of the eventual Tsar Paul I of Russia and his two sons, Konstantin Pavlovich Romanov, and Tsar Alexander I of Russia.





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[Cro_Hunger999]

Count Nikolai Petrovich Rumyantsev (Russian: Никола́й Петро́вич Румя́нцев; 3 April 1754 – 3 January 1826) served as Minister of Commerce (1802–1811). I added him because we need someone to be the opposition/candidate. He became Foreign Minister in 1808.