Making a Family Tree With an Under Age Faction Heir or Leader

[TNZ]

Take a look at this example. As you can see, Philip Capet is the faction leader and his brother Hugues Capet is the faction heir. But Philip Capet has a son, Louis Capet, and he should be the faction heir:

character	Philip Capet, named character, male, leader, age 27, x 131, y 198
traits Factionleader 1 , GoodCommander 2 , Intelligent 2 , Austere 1 , PublicFaith 1 , BattleChivalry 1 , StrategyChivalry 3 , ReligionStarter 1 						
army						
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Dismounted Mailed Knights		exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Dismounted Mailed Knights		exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

;DIJON						

character	Hugues Capet, named character, male, heir, age 22, x 143, y 184
traits Factionheir 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 3 , Intelligent 2 , Energetic 1 , BattleDread 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , StrategyDread 3 , ReligionStarter 1 						
army						
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Dismounted Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Dismounted Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

;RHEIM						

character	Raoul Poton, named character, male, age 40, x 140, y 201
traits NaturalMilitarySkill 2 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , Energetic 1 , Drink 1 , ReligionStarter 1 						
army						
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Town Militia				exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Town Militia				exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Crossbow Militia			exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Crossbow Militia			exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0

;ANGERS						

character	Guillaume de Lyon, named character, male, age 32, x 115, y 190
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 2 , Drink 1 , Bloodthirsty 1 , ReligionStarter 1 						
army						
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Sergeant Spearmen			exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Sergeant Spearmen			exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; Clermont

character	Pierre de Beauvais, named character, male, age 32, x 130, y 175
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , ContentGeneral 2
army						
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Town Militia				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Town Militia				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Crossbow Militia			exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Crossbow Militia			exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character	Etienne Tristan, priest, male, age 37, x 128, y 170
traits NaturalPriestSkill 2 , GoodDenouncer 2 , PriestLevel 1 						

character	Aubert Febre, spy, male, age 20, x 131, y 198
traits GoodSpy 3 										

character	Yves Dupuy, merchant, male, age 25, x 138, y 178
traits GoodMerchant 1						

character	Regnault Chabot, merchant, male, age 32, x 140, y 201
traits GoodMerchant 1	

character	Alain de Montfort, diplomat, male, age 29, x 131, y 198
traits GoodDiplomat 2													

character_record		Henri Capet, 	male, age 85, dead, 20, never_a_leader										
character_record		Anne, 		female, age 75, dead, 5, never_a_leader					
character_record		Bertha, 	female, age 25, alive, never_a_leader					
character_record		Constance, 	female, age 2, alive, never_a_leader
character_record		Louis Capet, 	male, age 1, alive, never_a_leader					

relative 	Henri Capet, 	Anne,		Philip Capet,	Hugues Capet,	end
relative 	Philip Capet, Bertha,		Constance,	Louis Capet,	end

To make Louis Capet the faction heir, you need to do only two things:

1. Hugues Capet’s character entry:

character	Hugues Capet, named character, male, age 22, x 143, y 184
traits NaturalMilitarySkill 3 , Intelligent 2 , Energetic 1 , BattleDread 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , StrategyDread 3 , ReligionStarter 1 						
army						
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Dismounted Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Dismounted Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0	
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Mailed Knights				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

2. Louis Capet’s character record:

character_record		Louis Capet, 	male, age 1, alive, current_heir

You can even replace ‘never_a_leader’ with ‘current_leader’ on a character record and have a boy king. Now if you want to list former faction leaders in a faction's family tree, just replace ‘never_a_leader’ with ‘past_leader’ in the character record, and they will be listed as past faction leaders in their factions’ family tree:

character_record		Henri Capet, 	male, age 85, dead, 20, past_leader

character_record		Louis Capet, 	male, age 1, alive, current_leader	

character_record		Louis Capet, 	male, age 1, alive, current_heir

character_record		Louis Capet, 	male, age 1, off_map, current_leader, label louis1	

character_record		Louis Capet, 	male, age 1, off_map, current_heir, label louis1

[Tutorial] Advanced Family Trees by GrnEyedDvl

[Caesar Clivus]

This should certainly add some interesting prospects to family tree creation

[konny]

This looks really interesting and will certainly solve a lot of problems we have in setting up proper family trees. But could you please explain a bit closer what happens to Louis Capet:

- When he comes of age? He is not on the map, right? So I need to spawn a new one by script. Will this spawned Louis take the proper place of the heir Louis in the family tree and be facion heir?

- The father dies before Louis comes of age? Will he be made faction leader and keep this position (or the spawned Louis) when coming of age?

[TNZ]

konny: No, because characters age when a winter turn ends. Therefore the Louis Capet in the family tree was placed on the map at the end of the last turn. So he is sent off map and replaced on the same turn the player gets the message that Louis Capet has come of age.

The attached screenshots may be of some help:

Faction heir Age 14: Euric is the faction heir.

Faction Leader Age 15: With his father death Euric becomes the faction leader.

Faction Leader Age 16: Euric has come of age and is the faction leader.

[konny]

Thank you, now I got it. I hadn't worked with the off_map command before.



Two more things:

Amazing that the faction is not considered destroyed even though the last character of age died.

Another thing I see on pic#2: Euric does have the Rex Gothorum Trait despite being underage? Did you somehow gave by script or did he acquire it from EDCT the normal way?

[TNZ]

No. Scripting the game just makes him the faction leader.

[Theodotos I]

Very interesting. Thanks for laying this out.

[konny]

No. Scripting the game just makes him the faction leader.

No, I was talking about the trait "Rex Gothorum" which the engine gave to him even though he is underage.

[TNZ]

konny: ‘Rex Gothum’ is what that faction calls its faction leader in the expanded file and it is also the trait that the faction gives to its leader.
So in screenshots two the game has only made Euric the faction leader.

If Philip Capet were to die before his son Louis Capet comes of age the son would became the faction leader. When he does, however, he will not get the faction leader trait. So you will want to add two new triggers, one for the faction leader trait and one for the faction heir trait.

;------------------------------------------
Trigger factionleader_2
   WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart
    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Factionleader = 0

    Affects Factionleader  1  Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Factionheir_2
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionHeir
    and Trait Factionheir = 0

    Affects Factionheir  1  Chance  100

[Saladin]

this is very good, question is there a way to make this work for characters who aren't born yet? not the become faction leader part, but to send a character off map when they come of age and bring them back? is there a way to make a label for characters who aren't created yet, say if their father has a trait?

[TNZ]

this is very good, question is there a way to make this work for characters who aren't born yet? not the become faction leader part, but to send a character off map when they come of age and bring them back? is there a way to make a label for characters who aren't created yet, say if their father has a trait?

Saladin: No, I tried it.

[Caesar Clivus]

Just got a quickquestion about this. When you move an underage heir off the map, and then spawn a copy of that character on the map when he comes of age, does the family tree not get stuffed up? Does the game know that the heir that has been spawned on the map is the same heir in the family tree? Surely traits etc will get messed

[TNZ]

Caesar Clivus: When the under age character comes of age the game places him on the map, so you are not sending an under age heir off the map. The script that sends him off the map and bring him back works just like the script in the Britannia campaign, the one that sends Edward to the crusades and returns him home.

[Caesar Clivus]

Ok I must've read that wrong. Thanks TNZ.

[impspy]

Edit: never mind

[Giorgios]

Would someone be able to point me in the direction of a very simple tutorial for simply creating a new family tree from scratch; I've said I'd do my best to do them for EOR. Cheers!

[TNZ]

Would someone be able to point me in the direction of a very simple tutorial for simply creating a new family tree from scratch; I've said I'd do my best to do them for EOR. Cheers!

Giorgios: Try this tutorial.

[Tutorial] Advanced Family Trees by GrnEyedDvl
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187293

[TNZ]

raziel_eire posted on page two of the Advanced Family Trees tutorial a much quicker way to do this. The only file you will need is the ‘descr_strat’ file. See the first post.

[King William the Conqueror]

Hey TNZ, I was wondering if you could help me, I am working on Narnia Total War and I am trying to make Jadis the White Which ruler of the Empire of Narnia and I was wondering, is it possible to by using this script, make a woman ruler of her country. I tried it and it worked fine until I click on the faction information button. Then it crashed. Maybe you could look at my script and tell me what I am doing wrong.

faction	france, balanced smith
ai_label		catholic
denari	25000
denari_kings_purse	3000
settlement castle
{
	level large_city
	region Witchs_Castle_Province

	year_founded 0
	population 3800
	plan_set default_set
	faction_creator france
	building
	{
		type core_castle_building citadel
	}
	building
	{
		type castle_barracks armoury
	}
	building
	{
		type missiles archery_range
	}
	building
	{
		type castle_smith c_heavy_armourer
	}
	building
	{
		type hinterland_castle_roads c_paved_roads
	}
}

settlement
{
	level town
	region South_Moor_Province

	year_founded 0
	population 900
	plan_set default_set
	faction_creator france
	building
	{
		type core_building wooden_pallisade
	}
}

settlement castle
{
	level town
	region Middle_Moor_Province

	year_founded 0
	population 600
	plan_set default_set
	faction_creator france
	building
	{
		type core_castle_building wooden_castle
	}
}

character	Otmin, named character, male, leader, age 40, x 127, y 287 
traits Factionleader 1 , GoodCommander 2 , Intelligent 2 , Austere 1 , PublicFaith 1 , BattleChivalry 1 , StrategyChivalry 3 , ReligionStarter 1 
army
unit		NE Bodyguard				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Crossbow Militia			exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Peasant Archers				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Spear Militia				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		Spear Militia				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


character_record		Jadis, 	female, age 29, alive, current_leader

[AR!ES]

I have tried this, but does not work. I would like to have an underaged heir to the throne of France, but the game always chooses another family member. This is my entry for France in the descr_strat file:

character Louis de Valois, named character, male, leader, age 47, x 113, y 131 
traits Factionleader 1 , GoodCommander 2 , Intelligent 2 , Austere 1 , PublicFaith 1 , BattleChivalry 1 , StrategyChivalry 3 , ReligionStarter 1 
army
unit  NE Late Bodyguard    exp 6 armour 2 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Scots Guard   exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Scots Guard    exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Pike Militia    exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Pike Militia    exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
 
character Jehanne, princess, female, age 18, x 113, y 136 
traits IAmPrincess 1 , NaturalPrincess 2 , GoodPrincess 1
 
character Oudart, general, male, age 16, x 119, y 133 
traits NaturalMilitarySkill 4 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodEngineer 1 , Ugly 3 , ReligionStarter 3 
army
unit  Scots Guard    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Pike Militia   exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Pike Militia   exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Pike Militia    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character Etienne Tristram, priest, male, age 37, x 100, y 114 
traits NaturalPriestSkill 2 , GoodDenouncer 2 , PriestLevel 1 
 
character Jean de Foix, named character, male, age 20, x 105, y 104 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , ReligionStarter 1 
army
unit  NE Late Bodyguard    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Dismounted Noble Knights    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Crossbowmen   exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Crossbowmen   exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Crossbowmen    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character Pierre de Bourbon, named character, male, age 40, x 119, y 112 
traits NaturalMilitarySkill 2 , LoyaltyStarter 3 , Energetic 1 , Drink 1 , ReligionStarter 1 
army
unit  NE Late Bodyguard    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Aventurier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Partisan Militia   exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Partisan Militia   exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Aventurier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character Rene de Lorraine, named character, male, age 24, x 126, y 119 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 4 , Intelligent 2 , Energetic 1 , TourneyKnight 4 , ReligionStarter 1 
army
unit  NE Late Bodyguard    exp 6 armour 2 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Noble Knights   exp 4 armour 2 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Noble Knights   exp 4 armour 2 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Noble Knights   exp 4 armour 2 weapon_lvl 1
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character Pierre, general, male, age 32, x 102, y 126 
army
unit  Noble Knights    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Aventurier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character Oudart de Breze, general, male, age 22, x 97, y 114 
army
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Voulgier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Aventurier    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character Aubert, spy, male, age 20, x 122, y 124 
traits GoodSpy 3  
 
character_record  Charlotte,  female, age 40, alive, never_a_leader
character_record  Agnes de Valois,  female, age 20, alive, never_a_leader
character_record  Charles de Valois,  male, age 1, alive, current_heir
 
relative  Louis de Valois,  Charlotte,  Agnes de Valois, Jehanne, Charles de Valois, end
relative  Pierre de Bourbon,  Agnes de Valois, end

The game always sets Jean de Foix the heir instead of Charles.. What have I done wrong?