Raising unit stats.

**RedFox** · September 14, 2009, 02:21 PM

Ok, so the previous thread about multiplying unit stats was pretty much a huge failure, how about we try this:

Simply increasing unit stats by a value. I have already (again) made a tool that automatically does that, so, no precious time tweaking stats lost.

The effect would lessen the importance of experience, while still somewhat maintaining the balance between units.
What would you guys think of this?

So far I've thought of increasing all attack values by 8 and total defense +12, though, taking account the extra features of the tool (multiplying+increasing/decreasing), it can be even more complex.

**Cal20** · September 14, 2009, 06:22 PM

Well I can't really decide, I suppose testing it out can't hurt imo. This would just be to overcome the amount of points experience adds on to unit stats or another reason? Seems that experience adds hell of a lot onto how effective a unit is. Also would this increase in attack/defence effect the length of battles or would be make it about the same?

**RedFox** · September 15, 2009, 01:21 AM

The length of battles should remain about the same, but the experience bonus makes a lot less difference.

**Peregrinus** · September 15, 2009, 04:20 AM

Does experience affect both attack and defense? or is that modable?

**RedFox** · September 15, 2009, 06:12 AM

No, the experience effect isn't moddable, that's why I want to work around it by raising the stats. So that in relative terms, the importance of experience is much much less.

1 experience gives: +1 attack +1 defense skill
9 experience gives +9 attack +9 defense skill

This isn't a very big deal considering defense, but it really unbalances missile unit attack and makes units too deadly. If we multiply the stats by, say 1.5 and then add an extra +4 to attack and defense, it should balance everything.

Since the multiplication of stats is uniform (it happens for ALL units the same way), there will be almost no change in overall balance.
I'll create a test version with (*1.5 + 4), but I require Beta testers to test it out. Anyone interested?

**Peregrinus** · September 15, 2009, 08:16 AM

Right, thats too bad. Then I guess you're right and we should make the stats higher so experience doesnt turn units into zombies. But not by much or gaining experience will become worthless.
Hope you find some beta testers, I have no time for such a commitment unfortunately.

**Stilgar CG** · September 15, 2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by RedFox

Ok, so the previous thread about multiplying unit stats was pretty much a huge failure, how about we try this:

Why failure? People have spoken their mind

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Do you propose to increase the missile and melee attack of the missile units with the same value? Wouldn't this make missile units weaker?

**Spartan 666** · September 18, 2009, 04:55 AM

I agree with increasing unit stats by the same parameter. This will surely make gold chevrons units less invincible and missile units less snipers (at a certain point, you actually get one shot-one kill, or almost..)..

**Cal20** · September 22, 2009, 10:06 AM

Well after playing the 1.07 patch it seems the raising of the stats was a good idea, seems experienced troops don't slaughter the same unit that has one less chevron. Good call.

**RedFox** · September 22, 2009, 10:21 AM

How's the overall balance though? There shouldn't be much difference in overall balance in theory, but the raised stats might work differently.

**Cal20** · September 22, 2009, 04:14 PM

Battles don't really last any longer at all and like I say units with experience don't totally wipe out units with lower amounts of experience.

**silvathegod** · September 22, 2009, 06:31 PM

then again..if you want to maintain realisim..the experiened troops would still muder the fresh ones just like the pro will pwn the n00b

**The10thLegion** · September 22, 2009, 07:04 PM

To be honest I want much longer battles than I had before. This mod looks promising though!

**silvathegod** · September 22, 2009, 11:26 PM

Redfox, would you consider a two point system like on XGM?

**RedFox** · September 22, 2009, 11:29 PM

The battles aren't that short to be honest. They're short enough to not get you bored and short enough to get stuff done on the battlefield. If you want it even longer, try enabling fatigue - that will lengthen it quite a bit.

As for battles, they're quite well balanced. If you can find a shortcoming from somewhere, you can always report.

**Cal20** · September 23, 2009, 09:01 AM

Is the fatigue in DTW exactly the same as vanilla settings or has it been tweaked? Just wasn't so good in vanilla. If it is different and better in some way I was thinking about enabling it.

**RedFox** · September 23, 2009, 09:48 AM

Units don't tire as fast as in vanilla.

**Stilgar CG** · September 24, 2009, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by RedFox

The battles aren't that short to be honest. They're short enough to not get you bored and short enough to get stuff done on the battlefield. If you want it even longer, try enabling fatigue - that will lengthen it quite a bit.

I totally agree with the assessment of the pace of the battles. For perfect (imo) pace of battles in DTW: huge size, fatigue off, difficulty H or VH.

RedFox, I am not sure enabling fatigue will lengthen battles. In fact, your troops and/or AI troops will tire and route sooner.