Leftism vs Rightism

[truth1337]

I can't understand what insanity drives a human being to be so vehemently against gay marriage or abortion

My personal opinion is that marriage is a fertility ritual, thus being irrelevant for homosexuals.

Abortion in my opinion encourages people to have sex with people they're not prepared to have children with, i.e. don't love. Thus it is weird to allow it except for rape victims.

video-games

Not opposed to that. Liberals/leftist are probably more opposed to video games - didn't Hillary Clinton criticize games a while ago?

or pornography

In a well-functioning right-wing society, every man will have a woman to have sex with, so he won't need pornography. Leftist societies create this need by disabling people from forming stable, healthy relationships and daring to love their partners of all their heart and be proud of them.

or freedom of artistic expression or modern art

There's no opposition to freedom of artistic expression, but an opposition towards having the state financing art lacking any form of skill or craftmanship in its presentation. Nor should any state actively sponsor art which promotes decadence.

or social welfare or universal healthcare

Social welfare is distributed on dubious grounds in many countries today, e.g. Affirmative action. In general, there's no problem with the state providing social security for people to be more brave in their work and not fear that an injury would make them starve. But there is a problem when it provides for people who couldn't contribute to society even if they were given all possible chance, e.g. if unemployement were 0%. It is important that not only attractiveness but also productiveness is part of the selection process for which males have offspring, otherwise mankind will extinct herself.

or the legalisation of marijuana

Legal marijuana means lower work capability for most people, especially if they're high while at work. Marijuana smoking is not a human right.

[Armatus]

Legal marijuana means lower work capability for most people, especially if they're high while at work. Marijuana smoking is not a human right.

So you've bought into that perception, that users are lazy bums.

It's the same as equating people who drink with dysfunctional alcoholics.

[Humble Warrior]

This may have been said before, but without the left and right sides of me I wouldn`t be able to function very well.

Maybe there`s a message there about general life for us all.

[Armatus]

Was hoping you lived in the US, was going to write you in on the ballot.

[boofhead]

Left or right? I don't like how the media describes such things in black or white.

For example, were Hitler's Nazis left or right? There is not a simple answer. They were a socialist party with socialist economic policies, and yet they're generally characterized as far-right, because of their fascist/dictatorial nature; whereas communists have proven to be just as dictatorial.

Personally

Nationalization of all natural resources
Nationalization of healthcare (we already have it)
My country for my countrymen before anybody else
Compulsory military or civil service
No free trade, no imports unless there is a lack, no exports unless production outweighs demand
No foreign land ownership
No foreign ownership of fundamental infrastructure
A giant middle finger to the UN and its treaties
No dual citizenship
No immigration whatsoever except for necessary imports on temporary contracts, who will be paid extremely well, and leave with smiles on their faces
No racism
No multiculturalism, assimilate like the Borg or leave, the Nation rules you
Neutrality where possible
Death sentence and treason laws reintroduced and enforced
State religion, you are either Christian or Atheist or Agnostic or do it in private and shut your mouth
Federal Parliament and the Westminster system gets exploded in the local pub toilet and is never seen again
State Media for TV and radio, however internet is cool
Property and business rights inviolable for citizens
If you don't like it off and have a cry to someone who cares

[General Maximus]

In whichever side lies Monarchism, I am with it.

[Himster]

Not opposed to that. Liberals/leftist are probably more opposed to video games - didn't Hillary Clinton criticize games a while ago?

Nope, it's the incredibly loud holier than though religious right who are vehemently against these things more than anyone else: in every country. There are of course the occasional "moderates" who like to play both sides like Hilary Clinton: to expand their voting base, she is also in favour of censorship in the arts, she's against marijuana and pornography: she is about as leftist as a circular square.

In a well-functioning right-wing society, every man will have a woman to have sex with, so he won't need pornography. Leftist societies create this need by disabling people from forming stable, healthy relationships and daring to love their partners of all their heart and be proud of them.

Hmmm, a far fetched destopia where everyone is forced into marriage regardless of of affection, what a wonderful idea.

"Need for pornography"? How quaint.

There's no opposition to freedom of artistic expression, but an opposition towards having the state financing art lacking any form of skill or craftmanship in its presentation. Nor should any state actively sponsor art which promotes decadence.

There is opposition to showing modern art in public places, proponents of censorship: this comes from the far-right. Modern art is always vandalised by hyper-sensitive uber-conservative stereotypes or skin-head types.

Legal marijuana means lower work capability for most people, especially if they're high while at work. Marijuana smoking is not a human right.

It's still better than alcohol in practically every respect.

[GreatAugustus]

whereas communists have proven to be just as dictatorial.

I feel the need to show everyone this:



Lenin was center in terms of the social scale, Stalin was the authoritarian, while Karl Marx was an Libertarian. So don't think every communist nation can and will only be ruled by a authoritarian dictatorship. Especially ones that are modeled after the USSR!

Lenin believed that before communists could spread the revolution, Russia would have to achieve true Communism itself. It makes sense... lead by example, right? However Stalin failed to do this and still spreads it across the world anyway.

True Communism can work. The reason why Lenin failed was because he didn't (or couldn't) wait for the slow process of socialisation - Communism relies on social pressure to replace what Capitalism relies on money to do (provide the incentive for labour to be productive). Its only when society has conformed to Communism that the state can pursue more liberal methods of governing the nation, such as direct democracy or a volunteer labour force for example.

[Whukid]

1. Rightism
2. With equal rights, the individual has no limit to his accomplishment and aspiration. With equal status, there is no accomplishment or aspiration.
3.

[Engie]

On the traditional left-right spectrum I would say I lie about centre-right.

[OCWife]

If I use my right hand to eat but my left hand to wipe, am I a rightist or a leftist?

[General Maximus]

By the way, can you help out a noob comrade of yours? I am new to modern political theories, so forgive me. What is leftism and what is rightism?

[Engie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2...right_politics

Hope this helps General Maximus

[SuperTechmarine]

1. Leftism
2. I hate neo-nazis and their fascist ideals.
3.Umm quote? ummm...uh...ah.(THINK OF SOMETHINg arrgggh...i know! im going to post something unrelated)
War is Deception-Sun Tzu

[General Maximus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2...right_politics

Hope this helps General Maximus

Thanks for the info.

I am a stern monarchist, so I go with absolute rightism. I would never go for the left, because I think too much liberty is a grave matter for concern.

[Humble Warrior]

Left or right? I don't like how the media describes such things in black or white.

For example, were Hitler's Nazis left or right? There is not a simple answer. They were a socialist party with socialist economic policies, and yet they're generally characterized as far-right, because of their fascist/dictatorial nature; whereas communists have proven to be just as dictatorial.

No. You are mixing up two very different ideologies because of one word both happen to use (socialist). It`s a common American mistake.

Study them.

[truth1337]

Nope, it's the incredibly loud holier than though religious right who are vehemently against these things more than anyone else: in every country. There are of course the occasional "moderates" who like to play both sides like Hilary Clinton: to expand their voting base, she is also in favour of censorship in the arts, she's against marijuana and pornography: she is about as leftist as a circular square.

Well I firmly distance myself from most of the evangelical Christians in America, who haven't realized that modern Judaism has no connection whatsoever with Christianity. Those who are true Christians and understand that Talmud is the most hateful, anti-Christian and anti-Torah book ever written, I do however hold in high regard.

Hmmm, a far fetched destopia where everyone is forced into marriage regardless of of affection, what a wonderful idea.

"Need for pornography"? How quaint.

If you look back at pre-cultural marxism, you'll see that most people were very happy with their sex life and there were fewer singles. RT also recently posted the results of a study, that showed that 98% of Russians today were happy with their sex life, compared to 5% during the communist era. I generally have a much better sex life when I go away from Sweden (with its crypto-communist media) to places with less cultural marxist propaganda, because the women there are more relaxed and open, loving and natural, and it's easier to not be pushed into the same thoughts as the others who do watch the media (I personally boycott the extremist mainstream media). Under cultural marxist propaganda - which is a nature-hating and mankind-hating philosophy - sex becomes about as exciting as taking a crap after having had really bad sushi. And no - nobody will be forced into stable, healthy relationships, but rather people will have the attitude to fix what's broken, and naturally choose stable relationships instead of feeling they have to have sex with at least 10 persons or they're geeeks/failures/etc. Which is what the youth over here feels today, and start doing self-destructive sex, or become the victims of prima noctra of ruthless massmedia moguls and national bank banksters.

There is opposition to showing modern art in public places, proponents of censorship: this comes from the far-right. Modern art is always vandalised by hyper-sensitive uber-conservative stereotypes or skin-head types.

I wonder where you live. Here is is the other way around. Last time I checked, it was extremist left-wing people who were disrespectful to high culture (Pussy Riot).

It's still better than alcohol in practically every respect.

I've tried it myself and must say I don't see what the hype comes from. It's just a fashion/media brainwashing thing, I believe.

[ShockBlast]

1. Rightism
2. With equal rights, the individual has no limit to his accomplishment and aspiration. With equal status, there is no accomplishment or aspiration.

So the entire left spectrum is about equal status to you ? I`ve red quite a lot about leftism and I have yet to come up with anything then equal opportunity - education and heathcare for all so that everyone can compete with everyone regardless of social standing.

Having a right doesn`t mean you can actually compete if you don`t have the money to pay for your betterment.


My standing : center-left but can vary from center right to left depending of issues.

[Squiggle]

Nope, it's the incredibly loud holier than though religious right who are vehemently against these things more than anyone else: in every country. There are of course the occasional "moderates" who like to play both sides like Hilary Clinton: to expand their voting base, she is also in favour of censorship in the arts, she's against marijuana and pornography: she is about as leftist as a circular square.

Your basically just pulling the no true scotsman fallacy. Al gore and his Wife were big on music censorship-- but because no leftwinger can be for such things, Al gore was acting right wing! Well, thanks for the entirely semantical claim but its not particularly interesting. There are no evangelical Christians of any import- none at all- in Canada which call for censorship. All the censorship is in the liberal party and now the social democratic NDP. In everything. Personal speech, video games, tv whatever-- you want to shut people up, you look to the left in Canada.

So yeah, you managed to create a semantical and completely ignorant argument, and we both know predicated on the fact that you really hate Christians ever since you had the guts to admit you werent ever one. How embarrassing.

There is opposition to showing modern art in public places, proponents of censorship: this comes from the far-right. Modern art is always vandalised by hyper-sensitive uber-conservative stereotypes or skin-head types.

Name me some instances of modern art being vandalized by social Conservatives? You can maybe string together one or two obscure instances across decades in north America, because guess what, it doesnt happen. Neither the left nor the right go about defacing art it simply doesnt occur whatsoever. Yet again you've imagined something to fit your bias.

[DarthShizNit]

woot I broke the tie!