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    Icon5 Not enough Roman units in VLAD?

    I saw the unit cards on the download link, there doesn't seem to be enough Roman units compared to the Germanic tribes. Like 14 non calv units for the tribes compared to 8-10 non calv units for the Eastern Roman Empire.

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    Default Re: Not enough Roman units in VLAD?

    Germanic tribes in Bi mod must be much stronger then any cowardly late east rome empire soldier ....
    Germans tribes in early period, in bi era- it's infantry -wild, brave, aggresive and strong ...
    Romans -it's cowardly people in later period , they use or archers ,or mercenary detachments , or cavalry....
    Like 14 non calv units for the tribes compared to 8-10 non calv units for the Eastern Roman Empire.
    like in real history , barbarians infantry in battle vs East rome Empire CAVALRY


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlad View Post
    Germanic tribes in Bi mod must be much stronger then any cowardly late east rome empire soldier ....
    Germans tribes in early period, in bi era- it's infantry -wild, brave, aggresive and strong ...
    Romans -it's cowardly people in later period , they use or archers ,or mercenary detachments , or cavalry....

    like in real history , barbarians infantry in battle vs East rome Empire CAVALRY


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    In Rome Expansion mod rome army much stronger ... WORK WITH MOD IN PROGRESS.
    Yes but not early Romans,they were the best soldiers of their period! I think that Hastati and Princepes and especially Triari are just to weak in your mod, ofcourse only in my opinion
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    Yes but not early Romans,they were the best soldiers of their period! I think that Hastati and Princepes and especially Triari are just to weak in your mod, ofcourse only in my opinion
    MOD started in 280 year b.c. In this period giant celtic tribes exterminating all in macedonia, in north greece and in north Italy . Roman and greek and macedonian armys run away from battlefield like cowards. Celts in this period must be very very strong .....

    yes i know hastati, principii, and triary not brave and strong like some barbarian warriors-BUT i create new unit special for early period "Rome Veterans" . Unit like Principii , but better armoured , with very good moral , strong , brave and etsc.. Good attack and defense , and with big shield ... With this "Veterans"now posible broken any barbarian horde with any best barbarian warriors...
    Also cavalry units for all - now stronger too

    then if you remember germanien tribes Kimbros and Teutonii- exterminate 4 roman army !! one by one . In one battle survived only 1 !!! roman soldier , all others 40-45 000 all die......(Teutonii tribes killed more rome soldiers then Hannibal Barka.)
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    Default Re: Not enough Roman units in VLAD?

    The Eastern Romans crushed the Ostrogoths in Italy and fought off other Barbarian Tribes in France, the Eastern Romans should have been stronger.

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    The Eastern Romans crushed the Ostrogoths in Italy and fought off other Barbarian Tribes in France, the Eastern Romans should have been stronger.
    lool
    in france - all france crashed german franks tribes - they should be strong
    in Italy german goths tribes captured Rome in 410 year
    in 455 year german Vandals tribes captured Rome again - they should be strong .
    All West rome Empire die after barbarians invasion , every west rome empire city die - barbarians should be strong ...

    East Rome Empire lost 2 army in battle with goths tribes near andrianopol in 377 and in 378 year. Then they lost some detachmens and run away when they see any barbarian warrior....
    Then Huns exterminate east rome armys one by one again ,and again ,and again - huns should be strong
    Then huns king attila again exterminate new east and west rome army .... East empire used bribe and pay giant tribute (contribution)for huns every year . Huns should be strong

    after 500 year slavic tribes and avars caganate exterminate every east rome army ona by one again and again and again = slavs tribes should be strong ... east empire pay tribute for slavs and lost all land on balkanian region
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    Every barbarian man - it is a good warrior ...

    East and west empire used only mercenaries, or slaves in their army ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlad View Post
    lool
    in france - all france crashed german franks tribes - they should be strong
    in Italy german goths tribes captured Rome in 410 year
    in 455 year german Vandals tribes captured Rome again - they should be strong .
    All West rome Empire die after barbarians invasion , every west rome empire city die - barbarians should be strong ...

    East Rome Empire lost 2 army in battle with goths tribes near andrianopol in 377 and in 378 year. Then they lost some detachmens and run away when they see any barbarian warrior....
    Then Huns exterminate east rome armys one by one again ,and again ,and again - huns should be strong
    Then huns king attila again exterminate new east and west rome army .... East empire used bribe and pay giant tribute (contribution)for huns every year . Huns should be strong

    after 500 year slavic tribes and avars caganate exterminate every east rome army ona by one again and again and again = slavs tribes should be strong ... east empire pay tribute for slavs and lost all land on balkanian region
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    Every barbarian man - it is a good warrior ...

    East and west empire used only mercenaries, or slaves in their army ..

    The Eastern Roman Empire fell primarily because of the Muslim threat and the Ottomans along with Crusaders. The Barbarian tribes in the beginning where more of an annoyance then a real threat to the entire empire. The Barbarian tribes never have the capicity to conquer the entire Byzantine Empire.

    1014 The Bulgarian army is completely defeated at the Battle of Kleidon (Basil II becomes known as The Bulgar Slayer). 1018 Bulgaria surrenders and is annexed to the empire. The whole of the Balkans is incorporated into the Byzantine Empire, with the Danube as the new Imperial frontier to the north.

    The Eastern Romans had a Pyhricc victory against the
    Ostrogoth in Italy. When the Vandals conquered Rome they completely destroyed there kingdom. The Barbarian tribes in the early times were strong yes, but their leaders were pathetic. They continually lost to the Eastern Roman Empire. It was only with the arrival of the Lombards that most of Italy was lost. A single Barbarian kingdom could not fight the Eastern Romans on there own. It's proven since the Vandals, Bulgar's and Ostrogoths where crushed by them. It was only with
    the Lombards along with Alboin who led the Lombards, together with other Germanic tribes; (Bavarians, Gepidae, Saxons[50]) and Bulgars, that Italy was taken. A combined force of 500,000 warriors invading. The Byzantines just left since they were really outnumbered but they still managed to occupy and area in southern Italy near Sicily.

    As for using Mercenaries, the reason why the Eastern Romans used so many Mercs was because they spent a lot of the money was focused on the economy instead of the military. Even though they used mercs, I bet there was mostly Eastern Roman sodliers serving in the army. I would say about 30-40% of there military was made of of Mercs.



    It was the Normans who where of native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock who finally defeated the Eastern Romans in Italy. By this time they could not even be considered Barbarians since they where more civilized.

    Ill play Darth mod to satisfy my decline of the Western Empire needs. This mod seems like there is a bias for Barbarian factions. I can see why you would make the Western Roman Empire weaker but the Eastern Roman Empire should have had more infantry units like the Germanic tribes do.

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    Bellus if you speack on russ or on ukr or on any slavic languages , i can say for you real history and real historical documents about this period ...
    My english not good , so i can't say on english like i can say on my langv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlad View Post
    Bellus if you speack on russ or on ukr or on any slavic languages , i can say for you real history and real historical documents about this period ...
    My english not good , so i can't say on english like i can say on my langv.
    You may like barbarian tribes but Greeks and Romans crushed them many times...
    Do you remember Antigonos Gonatas? Julius Caesar? Attalus the first? Αetius?
    At the battle of the nations who was the person who retreat? Romans or Huns?
    I can tell many other battles but you should better go you and find 'em
    Learn more things about the battles of ancient and medieval times and then speak...

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    Learn more things about the battles of ancient and medieval times and then speak...
    i know all about ancient battles, about every ancient battle
    Julius Caesar?
    one one one / german warrior much more strong and brave than any roman legioner . Ancient celts from period 300 -270 year b.c. too .
    i can write why Julius Caesar won every battle with barbarians, but romans not brave like barbarians and not strong like barbarian warriors
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    Quote Originally Posted by xristosQ View Post
    You may like barbarian tribes but Greeks and Romans crushed them many times...
    Do you remember Antigonos Gonatas? Julius Caesar? Attalus the first? Αetius?
    At the battle of the nations who was the person who retreat? Romans or Huns?
    I can tell many other battles but you should better go you and find 'em
    Learn more things about the battles of ancient and medieval times and then speak...

    way to necro a thread.

    And way to blast a mod creator. Jeezus h christ man >_> have some respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlad View Post
    i know all about ancient battles, about every ancient battle

    one one one / german warrior much more strong and brave than any roman legioner . Ancient celts from period 300 -270 year b.c. too .
    i can write why Julius Caesar won every battle with barbarians, but romans not brave like barbarians and not strong like barbarian warriors
    I know Romans wasn't strong and brave like Barbarians... Barbarians were borned warriors, Romans not.
    But to tell the truth, you Romans have win many times Barbarians at ancient times and Barbarians have win many times Romans at mediaval (and some times at ancient) times... So you cannot say that Barbarians are better than Romans or the opposite.

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    Just saw this now lol.

    I think it could be easily defended that the Germans throughout Antiquity were superior to your average Roman legionnaire or later troops since many were already of Germanic stock later anyway but some would say the opposite. As for other barbarians, it is less clear. Of course this doesn't make one win a battle just because of troop quality. Also, barbarians were not really born warriors. Maybe the nobles, etc. but not most of the people. Also Roman troops were professionals and were trained much more intensely and had an abundance of armour. Downloading this mod now. (noticed this after Mongolo-Tatars invasion) Nice work Vlad!

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    Nice work Vlad!
    thx
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