do arabs really look like average white people( europeans)

[Robertclive]

I'm asking the people that live in the middle east because their considered white. I can understand Georgians, and Armenians, and some Persians, but what about Saudi Arabia and Iraq and the countries towards India and Africa. My dad went to kuwait and he said they look like mexicans. I've heard Somalians were considered white too and they look nothing like white people.

[the_mango55]

I'm pretty sure there's no consensus on who is considered white and who isn't.

[Dr. Croccer]

Arabs are Semitic peoples, like Jews, whilst Persians are Indo-Europeans. I know these terms are technically erronous as these are linguistic terms but they are true nonetheless.

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Iranians, according to the old racialists, are Aryans, i.e. White, whilst Arabs and Jews are not. According to others, however, they are white. It really depends on the psuedo-scientist.

[Kamos]

I've never heard of such a thing.

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Creepy little guy.

[Daovonnaex]

Iranians, according to the old racialists, are Aryans, i.e. White, whilst Arabs and Jews are not. According to others, however, they are white. It really depends on the psuedo-scientist.

Any particular reason you chose the slander physical anthropology as "pseudo-science"?

Arabs are caucasoid, but not "white" which is a bit of a social category. In terms of how they look, they appear similar to Southern Europeans in craniofacial morphology but are slightly darker.

Iranians are Indo-Europeans unlike Arabs, but racially both are caucasoid if one uses traditional phenetic classification methods.

[Dr. Croccer]

Any particular reason you chose the slander physical anthropology as "pseudo-science"?

I was mainly refering to the old racialists and social Darwinists, like de Gobineau, which were indeed pseudo-scientists. They based racial superiority on the basis of, say, the shape of the skull, but often misleading the facts as well. For example, in many British racial books, Irishmen were portrayed as almost ape-like creatures, related to the Negroe, and inferior to the Anglo-Saxon.

[Daovonnaex]

I was mainly refering to the old racialists and social Darwinists, like de Gobineau, which were indeed pseudo-scientists. They based racial superiority on the basis of, say, the shape of the skull, but often misleading the facts as well. For example, in many British racial books, Irishmen were portrayed as almost ape-like creatures, related to the Negroe, and inferior to the Anglo-Saxon.

de Gobineau's work was an early attempt at racial demography and was infused with spiritual notions of race. I wouldn't even regard it as any kind of science. Samuel George Morton published what was perhaps the first work of racial demography in 1849, which attempted to describe what he thought were the various races by their traits. Gradually the field professionalized, refined its classifications, began stripping subjective speculations of supremacy, and developed a refined body based on phenetics (or taximetrics). In classical phenetic racial demography, by the way, the Irish are considered part of the Nordic subrace of Caucasoids (or Europids). Modern research based on cladistics (a form of population genetics) has shown that the Irish and English are very closely related, and thus this judgment was basically correct.

http://racialreality.110mb.com/subraces.html

Here you can see the masterwork of the field, Carleton S. Coon's 1939 work Races of Europe, which attempts to classify all caucasoid subraces. Bear in mind that this work was conducted before the discovery of DNA, and while physical anthropology is still relevant today for the study of human populations it has mostly been supplanted by research rooted in population genetics.

Mexicans aren't white? Even half-white? I mean there's so much spanish blood in that country isn't there?

WTF?

Honestly I'm not sure what Mexicans are anymore.

In my family there is.

I think there's still alot of people there with a majority indegenous backround.

Most of the population of Mexico is mestizo, the Spanish term for a white-Indian hybrid. If I recall correctly the average mestizo in Mexico is about 60% Indian and 40% European, though this varies by region. In the northern border states the people (once you exclude central Mexican drifters who are just there to hop the border) are 55% European. Mexico also has about 10m whites and a substantial Indian population (roughly one third of the country) which is regionally concentrated in the south of the country.

[DekuTrash]

A startling thing that I have noticed though is that those with indigenous roots get treated poorly there.

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[Norge]

Photoshop or dye. Hair looks fake as hell.

[Pallantides]

That kid has a really ugly face!

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Arabs are Semetic peoples, so they aren't quite the same as Euros. But they are pretty close I guess, compared to other groups.

[Armfelt]

Arabs are Semetic peoples, so they aren't quite the same as Euros. But they are pretty close I guess, compared to other groups.

Jews are semitic too, and most of them are white.

I don't really see that much difference between Middle-Eastern people and Europeans, besides pigmentation and the amount of body hair

[dogukan]

Jews are semitic too, and most of them are white.

I don't really see that much difference between Middle-Eastern people and Europeans, besides pigmentation and the amount of body hair

Jews are white because those Jews have Caucasian origins. I mean from Caucus, the Askhenazi Jews. I know this is an argueble thing but the original Jews are semitic...Arabic looking. The white Jews are those who were converted later. Check out the Khazar state for instancewhich conerted to Judaism long time ago in Caucus.

[Robertclive]

If I was arab I would be quite offended being called a semetic

[Claudius Gothicus]

If I was arab I would be quite offended being called a semetic

Arabs and Jews have really close ties, they both belong to the same ethnic group.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Moved to the thema devia.

Anyway, I'm half Lebanese and I've been mistaken for a Latino quite a few times.

[Pallantides]

No and Somalians are not white.

[dogukan]

I'm asking the people that live in the middle east because their considered white. I can understand Georgians, and Armenians, and some Persians, but what about Saudi Arabia and Iraq and the countries towards India and Africa. My dad went to kuwait and he said they look like mexicans. I've heard Somalians were considered white too and they look nothing like white people.

You can "understand" Georgians and Armenians? Those people are from "Caucasian people"(by that I mean from Caucus, not white=Caucasian) group and are pretty much white.

Arabs and many sub-groups are of semitic peoples. Afro-Asiatic much like the Jews. Some of them do have light skin and do look like whites. But they are not a majority. And who told you they are considered white?

[Trey]

Arab today is a primarily linguistic and cultural distinction. Because populations are primarily what they were 1,500 years ago, an "Arab" be can range from so dark as almost black to white enough to be considered European.

[Robertclive]

how come their not considered asian

so if I was born in egypt and I was pretty dark, I'll have to fill in white in the USA