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    Default Unit Mini Preview: Milites & Servientes



    Milites
    Referred to merely as 'soldiers' in the feudal system, these were in fact the lesser nobility. The priveledged few who could afford to equip armies and retinues and defend farmlands and townships. When a king or count went to war he would call upon his barons and the houses of the aristocracy to gather around him. Units would band together in the classes of society they were affiliated with. Knights were rich and healthy, they kept good horses and equipment and trained their skills not least with sport and hunt. A noble knight was certainly by the time that Chivalry as a concept had developed, a rather austere figure. Many knights may have been seen as great warriors but were in fact, very unlikely to have stooped to endanger themselves directly unless facing nobles of other nations. Knights would be reluctant to risk their lives fighting commoners unless in desperate tactical need. What a knight was most interested in was gaining the wealth and titles of his challengers. The effete and growing elitism of medieval knights segregated them more and more from real military experience, until the era of Agincourt would fatefully define military prowess based on skill not on class. During the high era however, particularly thanks to the lure of wealth and lands during the crusades, knights were literally the cutting edge of christendom. Neither to be underestimated nor relied upon too heavily, these are the highest form of european soldiery.






    Servientes
    Sergeants were more than lesser officers, they were themselves -especially in the early era- much like the knights they served. Typically given land and often individually being of gentry stock, sergeants would carry the colours of their own clans rather than the house they served. Sergeants were feudal servants nonetheless, of the primary order. They were much more likely to be sent to answer military emergencies on a daily level than the lords they served. Whether leading the retinues of a count, duke or king, sergeants were veterans of action since they were more disposable and with lesser responsibilities than masters of large estates. Sergeants could practice and dedicate themselves more readily to warfare, often motivated by a desire to climb the social ladder. In any case, in the Middle Ages you were more likely to have seen sergeants than knights on the field, and in many ways what they lacked in the riches of knights they made up for in experience and variety of skills.




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    For this preview, we are showing the milites and servientes as they will appear in 1080 at the beginning of the game. Like our other units, they will evolve along with advances in military technology throughout the period.






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    Models: Sumskilz incorporating the work of Ronin and Lance of the Rusichi mod and shield models by Pacco.

    Textures: Pacco incorporating the work of Ronin and Lance of the Rusichi mod and normal map by Sumskilz

    Horse Textures: Argent Usher with minor modifications by Sumskilz

    Unit Concepts and Descriptions: Hross

    *** Preview Renders with 2D Art by Pacco ***
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    Default Re: Unit Mini Preview: Milites & Servientes

    Another fantastic unit! much respect to you guys for all your work.

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    Looks great!

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    Nice!
    Thanks guys for support.

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    Very neat
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    Default Re: Unit Mini Preview: Milites & Servientes

    Awesome units! Posted a small bit about the preview here.

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    Very nice units!! Might you add some brass dags to the chain mail coifs and shirts to offset one vrs the other, on the model with the Chain mail Chauses. The spear of the Milite at the top in the center looks too small for the spear head socket. All three have a similar glitch on the right side of their coifs. The coifs neck area should drape like the left side. The second picture down all the spears look right. The third picture down same problem with middle guy. Also is it possible to add some brass trim to their helms at the nose guard area. I love the shields, they look so real. I could not see the straps attaching the water bottles and pouches to the belt.

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    Oh my god.

    Such beutiful mod will come.

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    More nice units +rep
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    @Amroth

    Thanks!

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    shields are ace! well done guys

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    Wow! Simply terrific! Those are actually the most realistic looking medieval soldiers I've seen in any game. Many of them didn't wear the fancing clothing and paraphernalia featured in vanilla. This is far more gritty, but beautiful. Great job on the faces too!
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    Yeah, quite, the colour came with the flamboyant age of chivalry- as the upgrades get previewed you'll see the develop of units- each faction having historically accurate heraldries of their greatest knights.

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    Very nice units!!
    Thanks


    Might you add some brass dags to the chain mail coifs and shirts to offset one vrs the other, on the model with the Chain mail Chauses.
    This is not a bad idea, but I don’t mind the coifs blending in with the hauberks because in this early period, hauberks with an integral coif were more common than having it as a separate piece. This is difficult to model within the confines of the engine. Some modeler’s will make the coif part of the head texture to get around this, but then it still looks like a separate piece with a texture change right at the neck line.

    The spear of the Milite at the top in the center looks too small for the spear head socket.
    I hadn’t noticed this before you pointed it out, but it is just an anomaly in the render. They don’t appear that way in game.

    All three have a similar glitch on the right side of their coifs. The coifs neck area should drape like the left side.
    That bothers me too, but it’s not a glitch. It’s actually a conscience choice on my part in order to deal with game engine restrictions. The coifs don’t move on the shoulders with the model like they should. So if I don’t raise that up slightly, the shoulder on the shield are will constantly come up through the coif. They look good when the soldiers are in a fighting position, but then we have the gap you noticed when they are in a relaxed position. It’s a trade off.

    Also is it possible to add some brass trim to their helms at the nose guard area.
    Gilded helmet accents were popular prior to our period among the very wealthy but I don’t know if it would be accurate for these guys. It would be very easy to do and would help to differentiate the milites from the servientes, but I would have to see some evidence in order to consider it.

    I could not see the straps attaching the water bottles and pouches to the belt.
    I could make some but they’d probably look awkwardly large. Little details like that add up when considering graphics performance. It might be a better solution if I moved them up to the belt, so the straps would be hidden behind the bottles.


    I love the shields, they look so real.
    Yep, Pacco is the man.

    You’ve got a good eye for detail, Leonidas. I keep seeing little issues like this as well and spend countless hours readjusting things sometimes with little return. If you look carefully there are a few in the images you haven’t spotted yet that I’m still trying to deal with.

    Great job on the faces too!
    Well we can't take much credit for these. They are mostly the work of Ronin and Lance (modified by us only a little), but you will see more modified and original faces from us in the future.
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    Fantastic units!!!

    Can't wait for the next preview.

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    Excellent, very nice indeed!

    Will the recritment of this unit be time-restricted, or will it be recruitable throughout the games timeframe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansa View Post
    Will the recritment of this unit be time-restricted, or will it be recruitable throughout the games timeframe?
    They will be recruitable throughout the timeframe, but their appearance wil be updated with each armour upgrade. Armour upgrades will be tied to historical developments in technology.
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    Amazing units, of course. This mod looks to be the M2TW EB!

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    So milites will be the equivalent of vanilla mounted feudal knights and servites will be the equivalent of mounted sargents?
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    Sumskilz Thank you for answering each of my observations. I do have a few more, seeing as you understand that i am trying to help and not criticize. Yes moving the water bottles and pouches up to the belt would be best. I would add a line running down the chin of the leather coifs with x's simulating stitching on a few of them. As well as adding metal stud's to a few of them. Are all of them wearing coifs (chain mail and leather)with helms on or are some of them camail's? If it is the latter make the leather strip on the helms to look more like leather(top picture guy on the left?). On a few of the spears i would add leather bindings to help with gripping the spear. Give some of the men leather gloves to wear. Add a neck or cork stopper to the water bottles. Make some of the belts ring belts, that is a piece of leather with a ring attached with no metal belt tip.
    They were simple to make and cheap. Not everyone could afford a Double Wrapped Sword Belt. Extend the belt down farther, the length of the belt was a status thing , the longer the belt the higher rank you were. To defend my point about the Gilded helmet accents, if you have a unit of 100 men 70% of them would fall within the category requirements of their unit. 10% of them would be better armed and armoured and the final 20% of them would have less than the units requirements. Some could be spoils of war others purchased by the soldiers. If the unit gets a armour upgrade maybe you could add the gilded helmet accents to a few of them. Again a HUGE well done so far on these.
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