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    Allow me a small opinion.
    It is true that a history researcher can not have a clear view of the way batlles faught by each individual in them.
    Each warrior faught the way he felt that would help him to survive 1st and then win the batlle.
    A game's engine such the M2TW have some limitations.
    For example we can not have diferent style warriors in the same unit. We hope that will change in the future games.
    Now...for norman knights.
    We must not forget who Normans were.
    Vikings that settled in french teritory and adopted some new warfare tactics from the rest of the europeans.
    In the Frankish empire that influenced the west and central europe with warfare tacticks and equipment,the heavy cavalry was not the same style of the Lombard,Arabic,Armenian and last the Roman ones.
    Frankish heavy cavalry used short spears (same as their infantry) to make their 1st impact. The walls of shields ans spearheads the enemy infantry presented against the cavalry frighened the horses that often refused to advance! The most comon tactic those cavalry man had in their disposal was to go near the infantry lines throw their spears and distract the infantry lines to the moment they (the horsemen)could repeat their attack, with their swords this time.
    That tactic was efective to central and west europe that bowmen were rare and infantry also used 2-2.5 m spears.
    Normans forced to change their tactic and adopt the charge style we all know today when they arrived (as raiders 1st)in Itally!!!
    There (in Italy)had to deal with old fashion armored but armed with long lances Lombards, with the heavily armored Saracen horsemen and later when they came across with Tagmatic horsemen of the Romans that arrived in Italy as reinforcements.
    The "khight" style we know today as Norman is actualy a Lombard one that was a version of earlier Roman influences...
    How do we know that.
    In the Italian Roman(byzantine) campaigns descriptions Romans faced the Normans as Lombard allied forces...They were clear about how those "normans faught".They discribed that they launced their short spears (in M2TW we can only show it as javelin)and returne dto repeat their advance.
    TO the Roman generals was adviced to keep tight infantry formations with more heavily armored(that the average) infantry men and counter attack them(the normans)with light range cavalry that their arrows could easily penetrate their chain mails!
    Normans after the settle in Italy adopted the longer lances (shorter than Roman ones though)and added scale and lamellar cuirasses of Arabic and Byzantine style to their chain mails.Also they adopted the Lombard tight cavalry charge and added arabic bowmen to their armies.
    The Norman warfare lessons spread in all central and west europe mainly after the 1st crusade.
    So if a mod should acuratly wants to show to its fans the evolution of the Norman or norman style cavalry it has to show them as javelin men at early era and as lancers at the late era...
    I hope i helped.
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    Very well explained Anthonius
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    Very cool. Great work.

    So there will be javelin armed as well as lancer Norman Knights? That's awesome.



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    Well, Normans armed with lances were basically the same as our milites unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Hross: The Normans themselves will be available to Scotland and England, but also France, Siciliy and some Mediterranean factions in a regional capacity.
    I can understand why they would be available to England and Sicily as factional units, but why Scotland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    I can understand why they would be available to England and Sicily as factional units, but why Scotland?
    Some Normans settled in Scotland after the conquest of England. Robert the Bruce was descended from a Norman family for example.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Not only settled, they may not have formally conquered Scotland but the Normans had pretty much taken over the entire British isles by the beginning of the 12th Century. Many of the important lowland clans are Norman in origin, French was the language of the Scottish court as well as the English for a time. The dynasty beginning with David I at the turn of the 12th Century and spanning most of the High middle ages is known as the Normano-Scottish Dynasty.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    how I see, units don't need work any more. Cuz they look amazingly true and real!

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