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    he looks stunning!

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    Gorgeous unit out there . My only question is how you're going to calculate stats with so much diversity in equipment? Will we see "AP" units and the like, or such special boni?

    EDIT - Oh and lol, just realized the curved sword of the Eques is the Machaira, and not the Kopis. Nice trick out there!
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Nice preview! Very interesting!

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    ROMA VICTORIA
    Really looking forward to this.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    What have the Romans ever done for us?? apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
    Some of my favourite quotes:
    "Your god has yet to prove himself more merciful than his predecessors" ~ Hypatia, as represented in the film 'Agora'
    "If you choose to do nothing, they will continue to do this again and again, until there is no-one left in the city, no people for this governement to govern"
    ~ Hypatia, as represented in the film 'Agora'

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    actually i believe the sword in question is a Falcata and of spanish origin.
    The Falcata has a one edged blade that pitches forward towards the point, the edge being concave on the lower part of the sword, but convex on top. This shape distributes the weight in such a way that the falcata is capable of delivering a blow with the momentum of an axe, while maintaining the cutting edge of a sword. The hilt is typically hook-shaped, the end being stylized in the shape of a horse or a bird. There is often a thin chain connecting the tip of the hilt with the upper section. Although it was a one-edge weapon, two-edge falcatas have been found.

    The falcata-like swords were derived from the sickle-shape knives of the Iron Age; that too explains their ritual uses. It is thought that it was introduced in the Iberian Peninsula by the Celts who spread the iron technology. It seems that its origin is parallel to the Greek Kopis, and not derived from it.

    Makhaira is a term used by modern scholars to describe a type of ancient bladed weapon, generally a large knife with a slight backwards curve. In period texts, μάχαιρα has a variety of meanings, and can refer to virtually any knife or sword even a surgeon's scalpel, but in a martial context it frequently does seem to refer to a type of one-edged, curved sword. Modern scholars distinguish the makhaira from the kopis based on the direction of the blade curvature


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    I knew the hilt of the Kopis just didn't fit with the one in the picture! Needless to say, very nice work. The face and the model in general are both very detailed. Thank you for the preview and congratulations, EB team!

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    This is going to be one outstanding mod when finished. I can't wait to see the Carthaginians and the Latin Allies.

    Good job EB II team!

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    I'm waiting for the Celts! They were very "individual" warriors, meaning no two would really look alike and RTW's engine really limited their portrayal. With the many new options made available for units with M2's engine, I am really excited to see how the Celtic armies look!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benz282 View Post
    Question 1:
    These helmets belong to the Triarii.
    Question 2:
    Top Sword: I'm going to have to say this is an early Gladius Hispaniensis, though I've never seen a hilt like that. Still, I believe this is the Gladius due to the pommel and "straight" blade.
    Middle Sword: This is either a Greek Kopis or an Iberian Falcata. My final answer will be Falcata, though. (Alternative picture: http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog...AH-4111-BN.jpg)
    Bottom Sword: This is a Xiphos (Alternative picture: http://dualityentertainment.com/mike...finalsword.jpg)
    Question 3:
    The large, round, bronze-covered shields were known to the Romans as "Clipei".
    The oval-shaped shields are "Scutum" (alternative picture: https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/conte...ahenobarb1.jpg)
    The smaller round shield is a "Parma" or "Parmula".
    Question 4:
    The Clipei was used by the Triarii.
    The Scutum was used by both the Principes and Hastati, as well as possibly the Rorarii.
    The Parma was used by the Equites Romani (I am hesitant to say that though, since the shields you are displaying lack decoration, which wealthy Roman cavalrymen should have been able to afford).
    Question 5:
    The helmets in the top left correspond to the Hastati.
    The helmets in the bottom right correspond to the Triarii.

    I feel like the fact the Rorarii haven't been mentioned by anyone is a bad sign...
    wait for it .... wait for it ...

    HERE I AM!!!

    I doubt any any equipement would be allocated to the rorarii besides javelins and a spear. And noone has mentioned the Accensi (levied spearmen) They would have cheap italic-corinthian looking helmet.

    As to different regions for different military classes, that's what i was going to do in Romulus - Palatine recruits eques / first class spearmen / triarii - other hills the rest. i would prefer different population classes recruiting different military classes but i haven't worked out how to do this yet. My current thinking is to have Rome controlled by Patricians (Etruscan decendants) and have other factions as "protectorates" (sub factions) - Plebs (Sabine / Latins).

    LOVE the look of the Eques, real latin blood there (but probably not Alban (white)).

    R
    GREAT IDEAS for ROME 2
    ====================
    (1) Sub Factions per Nation
    *Rome - Etruscan, Sabine, Samnite, greek cultural regions
    *Selecuid - Syria, Persian etc cultural regions
    *Ptolemaic - Egypt, Levant, etc cultural regions
    (2) Roman Laws
    * Change Rome everytime you play by the laws you enact.
    (3) New Diplomat Agent - Leader of the Poor
    * Negoiate with the have-nots to change egalitarism in your society



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    The EB team never ceases to amaze. Keep up the phenomenal work!

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    yay

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    Splendid work
    Son of Legio
    Father of Paedric and Remlap
    Roma Surrectum II, Ages of Darkness II & Rome Total Realism Developer


    Rest in peace Gordon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony83 View Post
    This looks absolutely superb guys. A lot of work is obviously going in to this. Are you having any luck with the battlefield graphics?
    Quote Originally Posted by KingTheoden1 View Post
    Nice cities , but do you know how to put them in-game ?
    Quote Originally Posted by pacco View Post
    Nice work guys!
    What about the battle map buildings?
    Thanks for the comments, guys! Although k_raso already answered, I'd like to point out that the models you see were used for creating the stratmap roman settlements and not the battlemap buildings. Due to the large scope of the project, our priorities are still focused in the stratmap and unit models.


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    I know, but what if you don´t find the way how to put new battle map buildings in? I think this is the most important for classical mod on M2TW engine.
    Can you imagine those romans in medieval city/castle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmrc View Post
    Thanks for the comments, guys! Although k_raso already answered, I'd like to point out that the models you see were used for creating the stratmap roman settlements and not the battlemap buildings. Due to the large scope of the project, our priorities are still focused in the stratmap and unit models.
    Oh , alright , sorry for misinterpretation

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    Oh, damn I'm good
    The machaira was supposedly curved back, a bit like a sabre, scimitar or a katana, while the kopis/falcata curved in, like a yatagan, falx or rhompalia(sp?).
    AFAIK, also the machaira was used as a generic name for curved swords, as well as any "professionally" used blade. Which would make the falcata and the kopis also machairas.
    About the first sword, it looks like a gladius, althought the pommel is celtic and looks close to the
    Cogotas Sword. So I assume that it's supposed to be an "uncle" of the Gladius Hispanus, having already its long point, but still retaining the celtic pommel. I cannot accept that it's a celtic short sword, because the celtic swords did not have long points.

    BTW, machaira used as a generic name reminded me of one of the final dialogues in "Men in tights":
    Rabbi Tuck(hands the Sword of England back to king Richard): Here's your knife.
    Richard I Lionheart: Sword.
    Rabbi Tuck: Whatever.

    2nd BTW. The Equitus looks quite ugly

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    Finally! Wow I love your work guys! Superbe!!
    I believe that to meet the challenges of our times, human beings will have to develop a greater sense of universal responsibility. Each of us must learn to work not just for oneself, one's own family or nation, but for the benefit of all humankind. Universal responsibility is the key to human survival. It is the best foundation for world peace.





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    Epic Work on EBII,can hardly wait for its release
    Still playing EB and still loving it!
    +rep
    greetings

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    First post updated with the correct answers and the prize.

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    Epic, Can't wait to play EBII's romans.

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