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    civilian administration



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    Maurice - simplified schematic




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    military command structure



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    imperial court


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    the city of Constantinople



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    the Ostrogothi in Italy - still barbarians?



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    Interesting. Will these offices appear as ancillaries?

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    Yes, we use all of them IF they still match the sixth century. Some are outdated, others were replaced by new names. Please note that the first schematics wer made to explain the time between 360-460AD. But 95% are still present in our mod.
    The internal city system of Constantinople is of course showing the Justinian era and will be included completely, also the Ostrogothic system.

    Also important: terms like viri spectabilis or viri clarrisimi are not a title - it is a ranking! Until the 7th century that kind of ranking was clearly arranged in the Roman Empire. However, in the later romano-byzantine time the ranks became "inflationary".
    To adulate the courtiers at the royal court a lot of new titles were created. But that's a long story and not so important for AoD2.
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    nice research, and concurs with most of the stuff (John Julius Norwich's trilogy most notably) out there on Byzantium/Eastern Empire beaucracy
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    Can i add this exelent research link to the histoical info thread in CBUR?
    The late Roman administration (of Justinianus and Maurice/Mauricios)also considered as "early"Medeival Roman"(byzantine)too...
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    the stuff will be published next time in wikipedia.
    Anyway, you can use the schematics in CBUR of course. With the Maurice schematic I'm not so happy :-( I will make a new one (but the content is correct now - I'm talking about the optical design)

    ...but please avoid the term "byzantine" in combination with my work.
    I prefer the historical wording.
    Roman Empire of the middle ages or simply Basilea ton Romaion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompeius Magnus View Post
    ...but please avoid the term "byzantine" in combination with my work.
    I prefer the historical wording.
    Roman Empire of the middle ages or simply Basilea ton Romaion.
    You are right...that is why i use frequently the term "Medeival Roman Empire in the "relative infos thread"!
    Thanks mate!
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    great
    feel free to us whatever you want. And as said, for 580 until 660 I will make another schematic - more beautiful and detailed.

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    Wonderful work here, Pompeius Magnus - a clear and detailed layout for novices like me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBatavianHorse View Post
    Wonderful work here, Pompeius Magnus - a clear and detailed layout for novices like me!
    glad to hear

    more schematics will follow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound of Ulster View Post
    nice research, and concurs with most of the stuff (John Julius Norwich's trilogy most notably) out there on Byzantium/Eastern Empire beaucracy
    AHM Jones, The Later Roman Empire, II covered the civil administration in considerable detail (vol I was history iirc). I think describing the staff of a high ranking civil or military official as bureaucrats mightn't be strictly accurate in any modern sense if a person follows Durkheim's definition of a bureaucracy. Viscount Norwich's history was also issued as a single volume. Counting the staff of every high official, civil and military, also staff assisting the luckless decurions, if any, counting any waged workers operating the public post (mansio), and not counting the ordinary soldier, I doubt there were many public employees. It was, however, complex. The grain ships that criss crossed the Mediterrean, the barges that plied the Rhine and Danube had a state contracting organisation. I find it fascinating.

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    Default Re: [schematics] ...of the late Roman Empire

    Originally Posted by Hound of Ulster
    nice research, and concurs with most of the stuff (John Julius Norwich's trilogy most notably) out there on Byzantium/Eastern Empire beaucracy

    Read one of those books actually. Pretty good.
    Here's a late east roman army link structure:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Late_roman_army.svg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompeius Magnus View Post
    great
    feel free to us whatever you want. And as said, for 580 until 660 I will make another schematic - more beautiful and detailed.
    How is this coming and do you need any assistance?

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