The Hobbit 2012-2014 (First movie spoilers on the last pages)

[Jean=A=Luc]

Can't believe you quoted that Shocked.

[Shocked]

hahaha

[Haerski]

Is there any finalized/official word that "The Hobbit" will be the first movie and the "bridge" to the trilogy will be the second or will "The Hobbit" story be all two movies?

If whoever is making the 'untold stories' part of the hobbit, then they should just go ahead and make a movie off 'The New Shadow'. (Play the RTW mod Fourth Age) Then they can make up events and facts all they want.

Guillermo del Toro confirmed a long time ago the Hobbit will be split in two films so there won't be "bridge"-movie.

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By the way del Toro himself confirmed that Andy Serkis will play Gollum in the Hobbit, correcting the article I posted on last page:
The latest on ‘The Hobbit’ from a very reliable source!

EDIT: In another words: BUMP!

[Evan MF]

Sadly, Denethor will not be played by John Noble, Saruman not by Christopher Lee , and Gimli not by John Rhys-Davies...

Evan

[sturmdg]

I fear that it will be to The Hobbit what Guy Ritchie's movie to Sherlock Holmes

[Evan MF]

I fear that it will be to The Hobbit what Guy Ritchie's movie to Sherlock Holmes

No it won't, (that Sherlock Holmes looks pretty aweful like you said howeve), but Del Torro is passionate about making a proper movie of The Hobbit. He is also supressing some of Jacksons Over the top fancies, which is good..

Evan

[Big Pacha]

Sadly, Denethor will not be played by John Noble, Saruman not by Christopher Lee , and Gimli not by John Rhys-Davies...

Evan

Uhh... wait... You've got to be joking. those characters are not even in The Hobbit book! I understand & accept an appearance of Aragorn in Rivendell (why not) It's a bit deviant but OK.
Adding those 3 would be silly. BTW, JRD would rather be Gloin (Gimli's father).

(...) He is also supressing some of Jacksons Over the top fancies, which is good..

Which ones? I'm curious to know. As for Sherlock movie, yes It looks terrible. I usually like the actors ther but... It seems to be so fake & betraying what SH stories & spirit are about. Scary...
Please Guillermo, don't do that with The Hobbit, even if millions of brainwashed & illiterate popcorn-munching idiots make Hollywood so rich. Peter Jackson & some other Directors proved that the real key to enduring success was to RESPECT the origins of these stories, not turning them into Disney attractions for morons.

Now It's time to shock you I could see Jack Black as Bilbo if they keep the book's character:
- puffy: Bilbo is a bit fatty at the beginning
- smooth talker: one of Bilbo's top qualities - remember how he mystifies the 3 Trolls, Gollum & even Smaug? That's Jack Black's material IMO.
- funny: he's not tragic like Frodo, but an easy going cheerful lad, motivating the others with jokes & all + he can be morally adaptative... after all he's the gang's thief.
- unexpected hero, = a selfish coward who turns brave & helpful... like some panda or caveman I saw recently.
Now, if you hate that actor... I can't convince you.

Anyway. Any good websites about that overly expected movie?

[Haerski]

I fear that it will be to The Hobbit what Guy Ritchie's movie to Sherlock Holmes

What's wrong with Ritchies Sherlock Holmes. I always thought action and big explosions were the only things Arthur Conan Doyle could have improved upon, but fortunately Richie has now corrected his mistakes...

...just kidding. It looks awful.

But anyway that won't be a problem with the Hobbit. Guillermo del Toro is much bigger caliber director and won't let fans down. (It's fanboy talking here)

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EDIT:
@Big Pacha
IMO those qualities don't fit to Jack Black too well. (Except the fat part)

Good websites? I have been reading TheOneRing.net for news. It seems to be better than Imdb's site for this movie which has not had updates for a long time.

[sturmdg]

I hope I had your trust. Two films are really a bad start. Thought Del Toro has style (even if it is not MY style). Anyway fear is an irrational thinking so I will keep a bit of frightening for the book till I finally watch the movie

[Evan MF]

Uhh... wait... You've got to be joking. those characters are not even in The Hobbit book! I understand & accept an appearance of Aragorn in Rivendell (why not) It's a bit deviant but OK.
Adding those 3 would be silly. BTW, JRD would rather be Gloin (Gimli's father).

Which ones? I'm curious to know

Well, if we will have this bridging movie and exerts from other events that were happening during the period (flashbacks or small detours, for example Gandalf's scene with Necromancer), then having Gimli, Saruman and Denethor is necessary to make a proper connection.

As for the over the top fancies of PJ that Del Torro is suppressing, an example is Jackson's desire to film the moive in 3D, which Del Torro doesn't want to do.

Evan

[Ozzmosis]

Now It's time to shock you I could see Jack Black as Bilbo if they keep the book's character:
- puffy: Bilbo is a bit fatty at the beginning
- smooth talker: one of Bilbo's top qualities - remember how he mystifies the 3 Trolls, Gollum & even Smaug? That's Jack Black's material IMO.
- funny: he's not tragic like Frodo, but an easy going cheerful lad, motivating the others with jokes & all + he can be morally adaptative... after all he's the gang's thief.
- unexpected hero, = a selfish coward who turns brave & helpful... like some panda or caveman I saw recently.
Now, if you hate that actor... I can't convince you.

Anyway. Any good websites about that overly expected movie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPhGXZaLCZE
looks like he has some experience of middle-earth already...

[Big Pacha]

Well, if we will have this bridging movie and exerts from other events that were happening during the period (flashbacks or small detours, for example Gandalf's scene with Necromancer), then having Gimli, Saruman and Denethor is necessary to make a proper connection.

As for the over the top fancies of PJ that Del Torro is suppressing, an example is Jackson's desire to film the moive in 3D, which Del Torro doesn't want to do.

Evan

Fancy stuff = OK I get it and 100% agree.

As for the 3 "outsiders" I hardly see how they're needed for any connection. Two are southerners and The Hobbit takes place in the North (so OK for Aragorn). As for Gimli I think he's not even born + the presence of his dad Gloin is enough for the connection. Just MO.

Now, what about Morgan Freeman as Radagast the Brown Wizard? That would be pretty cool to add some "color" here without changing the Lore at all. I could see Freeman as an Elementalist who loves birds & trees.

Currently reading theonering.net at the same time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPhGXZaLCZE
looks like he has some experience of middle-earth already...

Thanks! Del Toro did great with Pan's Labyrinth (strange but excellent movie IMO his best) but he also did some crap (The Creature from the Black Lagoon, Frankenstein). The second Hellboy was a bit cheesy.

EDIT from MTV's Interview with PJ:

With that, the fiercely loyal-to-J.R.R. Tolkien filmmaker shot down any talk of folks like Orlando Bloom, Sean Astin, Dominic Monaghan, Viggo Mortensen or John Rhys-Davies being shoehorned into the prequel via flashback, flash-forward, dream sequence or any other Hollywood trickery — as much as some fans might like to see them again.

THAT is RESPECT, no matter what some illiterate kids & hollywood scavengers want.

[Evan MF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPhGXZaLCZE
looks like he has some experience of middle-earth already...

Ah yes that was genious...

However, I do not want to see him as a Hobbit in the real movie.

Evan

[Ozzmosis]

Now, what about Morgan Freeman as Radagast the Brown Wizard? That would be pretty cool to add some "color" here without changing the Lore at all. I could see Freeman as an Elementalist who loves birds & trees.

Currently reading theonering.net at the same time

Hmm. Morgan Freeman as the brown wizard, Ian McKellen as the White wizard, we just need Jackie Chan to play a "yellow" wizard!

[Juli]

Yes, Morgan Freeman kicks ass

I just hope this movie does not screw up the men of Dale, like they did with the men of Gondor in LOTR-ROTK. They screwed the Gondorians both skill-wise and visual-wise

[Evan MF]

Hmm. Morgan Freeman as the brown wizard, Ian McKellen as the White wizard, we just need Jackie Chan to play a "yellow" wizard!

Papa Smurf and Grandpa Smurf as Blue Wizards.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Evan

[Big Pacha]

Hmm. Morgan Freeman as the brown wizard, Ian McKellen as the White wizard, we just need Jackie Chan to play a "yellow" wizard!

Actually I wasn't pulling the racial issue
BTW Gandalf is the GREY Wizard at that time. I just thought Freeman would rock because of his warmness, sensitivity & glittering eyes (like Ents) that's all.

EDIT @ Evan MF: + thanks for trashing that "comment".

[Haerski]

I just thought Freeman would rock because of his warmness, sensitivity & glittering eyes (like Ents) that's all.

Yes Morgan Freeman would be perfect for Radagast, but I think some oversensitive people would almost 100% surely take offence of him playing brown wizard. (Good joke Ozzmosis)

[Big Pacha]

Yes Morgan Freeman would be perfect for Radagast, but I think some oversensitive people would almost 100% surely take offence of him playing brown wizard. (Good joke Ozzmosis)

Sure, I got that, but then why mentioning it in the movie? Just call him Radagast that's all. Also, movies are not here to comply to the most stupid viewers. F their PC "oversensitivity". Free Art is not consensual.

It's like those morons who protested because there's no gays in Avatar, or no positive black characters in PJ's LOTR trilogy. Usually I'm a liberal but that is stupidity and shortviewed thinking. Ridiculous.

[irishviking5]

the hobbit movie is not solely based upon the book, it will also bridge the gap between what happens after the hobbit to the start of the lotr, so we may see a official hunt for gollum movie bit etc hence needing aragorn

i heard that there was going to be two movies and the second would bridge the gap. the first would be the hobbit and hopefully true to the book. also aragorn would be an old teenager or young man at the time of the hobbit. he might have still been growing up in rivendell.