The Hobbit 2012-2014 (First movie spoilers on the last pages)

[Raiven]

You kids put too way much trust in the Academy. In the end, they're just a bunch of opinionated douches, just like the Nobel Peace Prize committee (that awarded the prize to a Arafat, a notorious mass murderer).
It's very telling that they heaped the oscars on the third film, which was the worst of the three in terms of quality.

Ouh and now you claim me kid!

You see if you would be dealing awards, there would be "bunch of douches" to doubt your decision too. It is just the way it is. And probably there is reason why they are sitting there - not you.

Sorry athanaric, but you express only your opinion without any arguments.

[Vifarc]

What? Arafat and Kissinger will be in The Hobbit? They would have been better in Lord of the Ring as Saruman and Sauron, and Sarkozy (not already Nobel Prize) as Gollum.

[athanaric]

Ouh and now you claim me kid!

Ingenuity is generally a trait of the young. Nothing wrong with that. Of course, it could be that you're actually only pretending to be naive, while trolling other posters to repeat their arguments for the hundredth time. But since that alternative is not at all in accordance with civilized human behaviour, I much prefer to go with the first option.

You see if you would be dealing awards, there would be "bunch of douches" to doubt your decision too. It is just the way it is. And probably there is reason why they are sitting there - not you.

Only I'm in accordance with many professional critics, though sometimes for different reasons. It's fairly well known how the Academy Awards work and why they aren't indicative of quality, and indeed never were.

Sorry athanaric, but you express only your opinion without any arguments.Sorry athanaric, but you express only your opinion without any arguments.

So, seeing as you appear to be a little slow, I'll reiterate what I said:

You're confusing the terms "fact" and "opinion". I and many others have given you many facts concerning how PJ screwed up by directly contradicting what's written in the book. There are numerous threads and posts about this topic containing excellent arguments on this sub-forum and on the Arts sub-forum. Also on the FATW sub-forum and probably the LotRTW one, too. It would be the decent thing to do to look them up and check the facts presented there. But of course it's a lot easier to be a disingenuous prick and claim that none of this reasoning matters and that ours is "just an opinion".

Have fun reading them. Or shall I provide direct links, seeing as evidently most movie fans cannot be arsed to do a little research?

[brasswire]

You're confusing the terms "fact" and "opinion". I and many others have given you many facts concerning how PJ screwed up by directly contradicting what's written in the book. There are numerous threads and posts about this topic containing excellent arguments on this sub-forum and on the Arts sub-forum. Also on the FATW sub-forum and probably the LotRTW one, too. It would be the decent thing to do to look them up and check the facts presented there. But of course it's a lot easier to be a disingenuous prick and claim that none of this reasoning matters and that ours is "just an opinion".

I wonder if you're being intentionally thick here. The "fact" that PJ changed things from the book, doesn't inherently make it a "screw up". Far as I know he wasn't trying to create the most faithful adaptation of the books possible, he was trying to create a good, entertaining film. The fact that something is different between the books and movies, isn't inherently a mistake. Something you don't seem to be capable of understanding in your dogged opinion that the films are not good.

You expect people to go to a completely different sub-forum and search for some other separate topic (after I presume divining that such a thing exists) in order to participate in the conversation at hand, and you have the nerve to call someone else a prick? This is the internet. If you want to appeal to another source to make your argument for you the least you can do is cite it.

[Raiven]

Ingenuity is generally a trait of the young. Nothing wrong with that. Of course, it could be that you're actually only pretending to be naive, while trolling other posters to repeat their arguments for the hundredth time. But since that alternative is not at all in accordance with civilized human behaviour, I much prefer to go with the first option.


Only I'm in accordance with many professional critics, though sometimes for different reasons. It's fairly well known how the Academy Awards work and why they aren't indicative of quality, and indeed never were.



So, seeing as you appear to be a little slow, I'll reiterate what I said:

Have fun reading them. Or shall I provide direct links, seeing as evidently most movie fans cannot be arsed to do a little research?

I see you are not open for discussion, I don't need to read what some guy said in other forums, as I was talking to you here. If you are not up to it, ok, I have other things in my life to do.

[Radboud]

What generalizing nonsense.

Like you know best . It's the truth, you can not bash a movie and say it sucks because there are only a few flaws compared to the books also looking past the good stuff. It just shows that you are just a negative person and you rather want the world to stand still than that someone creates something artistically beautiful which might be a little bit different then what it's supposed to be like (wow, such grown up behaviour ).

You kids put too way much trust in the Academy. In the end, they're just a bunch of opinionated douches, just like the Nobel Peace Prize committee (that awarded the prize to a Arafat, a notorious mass murderer).
It's very telling that they heaped the oscars on the third film, which was the worst of the three in terms of quality.

Calling me and others a douche shows that you don't have a good argument. Furthermore I never denied that PJ made mistakes, but if you see the bigger picture then you can only agree that PJ has overall contributed in a positive way.

[MasterBigAb]

athanaric your last post was already edited by Gigantus. Calling somone a prick is a clear insult.
I do want the tone in this thread to be changed to friendly/normal again.
I won't say this twice !

[athanaric]

Like you know best . It's the truth, you can not bash a movie and say it sucks because there are only a few flaws compared to the books also looking past the good stuff. It just shows that you are just a negative person and you rather want the world to stand still than that someone creates something artistically beautiful which might be a little bit different then what it's supposed to be like (wow, such grown up behaviour ).

Well if you refuse to comprehend what I was saying, I can live with that.

Calling me and others a douche shows that you don't have a good argument. Furthermore I never denied that PJ made mistakes, but if you see the bigger picture then you can only agree that PJ has overall contributed in a positive way.

Again: I called the MEMBERS of the ACADEMY douches, not you or anyone else here on the Total War forum. You don't work for Hollywood, do you? So why do you think it refers to you?
And I'm sorry, but I disagree on the bigger picture thing. IMO there is little that is exceptional in the making of these films, except perhaps technical aspects such as the weapons and some neat design. But the actual core of the work of art is the script, which determines the plot and the telling of the story. Much of the script directly contradicts the word of the original author. And the three script writers even had the nerve to say their product was faithful to the original.

athanaric your last post was already edited by Gigantus.

Yes I see that now, but why? Is Hollywood some sacred entity to the TWC staff or the owners of this site? Or was it that perhaps someone misinterpreted my statement?

Calling somone a prick is a clear insult.

I didn't directly refer to him - the matter is a tad more complicated. I basically insinuated he was behaving like the aforementioned kind of people by playing obtuse (which I don't buy. It's just a lazy way of fending off criticism by saying "yeah oh well, but it's just your opinion. kthx brb". It's also extremely impolite).

Furthermore, I know full well that on this board, you need a "Citizen" badge to be allowed to insult other members without having to fear any consequences. So I'm careful to avoid these situations.

[Raiven]

Please man, we all received warning, just let it go. Anyway we will not come to any conclusions here

[athanaric]

Yeah whatever. As long as people don't harp about how Jackson was the bestest director ever...

I do hope they don't screw up too much. They have a very decent cast this time, with no glaringly apparent mis-casts as far as I can see (except for that "female elf" thing), so the potential is there...

[Shocked]

Well this little argument was lame.

[Space Voyager]

Yeah whatever. As long as people don't harp about how Jackson was the

Not at all. But I was very afraid before movie no.1 came out, I was scared that my childhood dreams, my entire fantastic (as in fantasy, not as in superb ) idea of Tolkien's world would be shattered by him.

That did not happen. Not everything was just as I would want it but generally I found the LOTR movies good.

[Radboud]

Well if you refuse to comprehend what I was saying, I can live with that.

That is not at all the case.

Again: I called the MEMBERS of the ACADEMY douches, not you or anyone else here on the Total War forum. You don't work for Hollywood, do you? So why do you think it refers to you?
And I'm sorry, but I disagree on the bigger picture thing. IMO there is little that is exceptional in the making of these films, except perhaps technical aspects such as the weapons and some neat design. But the actual core of the work of art is the script, which determines the plot and the telling of the story. Much of the script directly contradicts the word of the original author. And the three script writers even had the nerve to say their product was faithful to the original.

I misread your post so I apologize for that, let's agree to disagree (I'll propably never agree with you and it will probably will be the same for you towards me). It seems to me that if someone else had made the movies you would have disliked them in any case.

Furthermore, I know full well that on this board, you need a "Citizen" badge to be allowed to insult other members without having to fear any consequences. So I'm careful to avoid these situations.

Your behaviour towards other members is very negative which in itself justifies a warning, if you were insulted by a citizen then all you need to do is report him/her (work with the system instead of complaining, I know this isn't directed to me but I replied anyway).

[Vifarc]

As long as people don't harp about how Jackson was the bestest director ever...
I do hope they don't screw up too much. They have a very decent cast this time, with no glaringly apparent mis-casts as far as I can see (except for that "female elf" thing), so the potential is there..

Nobody said PJ was that best. He had a very good cast (and he was a Z-movie director!!)
Now that he showd he was other than at best a B-movie director, he can have a better cast for The Hobbit.

[athanaric]

It seems to me that if someone else had made the movies you would have disliked them in any case.

That certainly is not the case. It solely depends on how they are making a film and where, not who they are or what project they are undertaking.

if you were insulted by a citizen then all you need to do is report him/her (work with the system instead of complaining, I know this isn't directed to me but I replied anyway).

I did just that, and nothing happened. In the meantime, said member happily continued insulting other members. And it's not like he's the only one doing it. But that's a bit OT here.

[MasterBigAb]

Back on topic please !!
Second thread warning

Don't force me to close this one

[KR153]

Geez! Just clicked the thread to learn some more about the movies and stumbled into a lesson of human behaviour...Take all a deep breath guys, there´s a new LOTR movie coming up!
Just one little note: The Academy DID make some "questionable" decisions in the past. No question about that. But the way I understood it the Oscars were given for the movies as a whole. As they were produced as a whole.

[Påsan]

Funny how people can come in here to a subforum of a mod visually based of the movies and complain how much they hate the movies and that everything is wrong. Way to show support for the creators guys

Almost like you might wish the movies never would have been made, and 95% of the people here would not care much for LOTR at all.

[Tokus*Maximus]

Looking forward to these two new films - can't wait to see 'good' Saruman before he became corrupted. Did anyone else think Matt Smith with a beard in that second episode of new Dr Who season had young 'Aragorn Eyes'. Seeing all the back story with the White Council taking down the Necromancer will be great! Can't wait...!

[KR153]

Looking forward to these two new films - can't wait to see 'good' Saruman before he became corrupted. Did anyone else think Matt Smith with a beard in that second episode of new Dr Who season had young 'Aragorn Eyes'. Seeing all the back story with the White Council taking down the Necromancer will be great! Can't wait...!

Is that certified? So it´s basically one "Hobbit" movie and one other? In what time frame? If you ask me they could film the whole Silmarillion perhaps making a series from it like they do with "Song of ice and fire". (Which is nice by the way...)