1453 Campaign (New Age)

[uanime5]

This thread is for discussion and feedback regarding the 1453 campaign.




The Eastern Roman Empire is facing its crisis greatest ever crisis. The Ottoman Empire has conquered much of their once mighty Empire and is intent on capturing their capital; Constantinople. The fall of Constantinople will herald the end of the once mighty Roman Empire. Meanwhile on the other side of Europe England and France continue to battle against each other to control the French crown. The outcome of these two war will affect how the world enters a new age.

Technology

At the start of this mod Partial Plate and Heavy Lamellar are the strongest armour available to the player, more of the infantry available swords, though the basic infantry still use spears. Cannons are available at the start of this mod, with full plate armour and guns becoming available later.

Factions

Britain
Kingdom of England
Kingdom of Scotland

Western Europe
Kingdom of France
Holy Roman Empire

Iberia
Kingdom of Castile
Kingdom of Aragon
Kingdom of Portugal

Scandinavia
Kalmar Union

Italy
Most Serene Republic of Venice
Papal States
Republic of Genoa

Eastern Europe
Kingdom of Hungary
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
Kingdom of Bosnia
Kingdom of Serbia
Teutonic Order

Greek
Eastern Roman Empire

Russia
Grand Duchy of Moscow
Novgorod Republic

Africa
Burji dynasty
Nasrid dynasty
Mali Empire

Near East
Ottoman Empire
Kingdom of Cyprus

India
Lodhi Dynasty

East Asia / Persia
Great Horde
Kazan Khanate
Timurid Dynasty
White Sheep Turcomans
Chagatai Khanate


Features

• Every Faction Lead has a unique battle model
• Faction Leader's authority affects every settlement you control (low authority = more disorder and less money).
• The new Faction Leader must be crowned in the original capital or they'll suffer penalties
• Royal buildings allow you to recruit castle units in cities.
• Arqubusters and Musketeers available from their own building, rather than a Royal Barracks.

[cossacks368]

very nice ! May be We can have a deal~

[uanime5]

very nice ! May be We can have a deal~

That depends on what the deal is.

[Hrobatos]

no serbia here it was under turks only small part wasnt( like one city)

[PhilipO'Hayda]

No gaelic in the west of Ireland?

[uanime5]

Serbia only has one city (Belgrade). Though I could make Serbia smaller to reflect this it would have very little effect on the mod as Serbia hasn't lost any cities and the Ottomans haven't gained any.

[Hrobatos]

one serbian lord was given belgrade by hungarians to command it and defend border from turks but it was still part of hungary not a free state...so this one serbian city shouldnt be belgrade but something southern

[uanime5]

How about Smederevo it was built in 1428, captured by the Ottomans in 1439, returned in 1444 as part of the Peace at Szeged, and captured by the Ottomans in 1459.

[Hrobatos]

yeah Smederevo was last that was taken by turks, so its the best choice

[sportsman81]

@uanime5,

How to turn advisor on in the game...it's turned off now?!

How to change state religion in the game of this era (1453) or in the mod and why haven't you put Ragusa and (H)Adrianople as regions and cities in it as two great medieval cities who existed in this era also and had an important role? And why Sunni religion for Muslim factions, why not just Islam 'cause all of them are Sunni in this era, there is no Shi'it religion in any of your Muslim factions...it does not make any sense!

Is it possible to change that and to put "Heretic" or "Krstjani", or at least Catholic religion as state religion for Bosnia, 'cause Orthodox was not Bosnian state religion.

Also, Bosnian King was not Tzar as you refered King Stjepan Tomaš. Bosnia was Kingdom, never Tsardom and had King not Tzar.

And, you could change city Vrhbosna into Bobovac 'cause Bobovac was the most well known and fortified city of medieval Bosnia. So, you could put city of Bobovac in province/region of Vrhbosna or Bosna in both eras (1400 and 1453). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobovac

Bosnian faction' avatar/coat of arms should be filled all with the golden lilies (http://www.discoverplants.com/plant-...y/pictures.php), not just half of avatar/coat of arms, if you understand what I am saying. I know it might be similar to France' avatar (only three lilies), but you could put many golden lilies (ideal is six) in it and put white line between them...may be like mine, it does not have to be exact but smthg that will distinguish Bosnian coat of arms from France' and will look like medieval Bosnian coat of arms...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilium_bosniacum

Smederevo could be Serbian rebel city, but Serbian faction, it's not realistic, while Belgrade was further north on Danube under Hungarians...In 15th century Serbia had no important role. That what you are doing, putting Serbian Despotate as "important power" in the Balkans in that time is totally wrong. Doing that, you could also include Bosnia as Banate (Banovina) in earlier eras to be somewhat "important". At the end, I don't mind you integrated Serbia in this era (1453), but you should also integrate Bosnia along Serbia in 1400 era. But, as you said, you will do it in next version and thank you for that.

Have you checked some infos and useful things about Bosnia in Tsardoms Total War? Do you want me to check it for you? Their mod is dead, so you could integrate some things in here, 'cause they are very realistic and, historically, quite accurate.

Cheers!

[Ban_Stjepan]

@uanime5

This link also can help you:
http://www.bgs.ba/e_knjige4.html
This first map is map of Bosnian medieval state with important cities, roads, money foundry and coat of arms of most important noble families. If you need help with translations I should be glad to help you, also I have lot of hystorical materials about Bosnian cities, fortresses, important noble families, persons and coat of arms from this period.

[uanime5]

@uanime5,

How to turn advisor on in the game...it's turned off now?!

In the game options menu you can change the level of advice you receive.

How to change state religion in the game of this era (1453) or in the mod and why haven't you put Ragusa and (H)Adrianople as regions and cities in it as two great medieval cities who existed in this era also and had an important role? And why Sunni religion for Muslim factions, why not just Islam 'cause all of them are Sunni in this era, there is no Shi'it religion in any of your Muslim factions...it does not make any sense!

I didn't make the map, so I didn't have any influence over which cities were included. As I am at the region limit I would have to remove a region to add another.

In the 1547 campaign there is a Shi'ite faction, the Safavids Dynasty. As I didn't know the shia levels in the various middle eastern cities I couldn't give them a low level of shias.

Is it possible to change that and to put "Heretic" or "Krstjani", or at least Catholic religion as state religion for Bosnia, 'cause Orthodox was not Bosnian state religion.

I'll change it to Catholic, as heretic causes unrest.

Also, Bosnian King was not Tzar as you refered King Stjepan Tomaš. Bosnia was Kingdom, never Tsardom and had King not Tzar.

My mistake, I'll correct it as soon as I can.

And, you could change city Vrhbosna into Bobovac 'cause Bobovac was the most well known and fortified city of medieval Bosnia. So, you could put city of Bobovac in province/region of Vrhbosna or Bosna in both eras (1400 and 1453). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobovac

I'll change it Bobovac in the late eras.

Bosnian faction' avatar/coat of arms should be filled all with the golden lilies (http://www.discoverplants.com/plant-...y/pictures.php), not just half of avatar/coat of arms, if you understand what I am saying. I know it might be similar to France' avatar (only three lilies), but you could put many golden lilies (ideal is six) in it and put white line between them...may be like mine, it does not have to be exact but smthg that will distinguish Bosnian coat of arms from France' and will look like medieval Bosnian coat of arms...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilium_bosniacum

I'll remake the flag if I can find a better version.

Smederevo could be Serbian rebel city, but Serbian faction, it's not realistic, while Belgrade was further north on Danube under Hungarians...In 15th century Serbia had no important role. That what you are doing, putting Serbian Despotate as "important power" in the Balkans in that time is totally wrong. Doing that, you could also include Bosnia as Banate (Banovina) in earlier eras to be somewhat "important". At the end, I don't mind you integrated Serbia in this era (1453), but you should also integrate Bosnia along Serbia in 1400 era. But, as you said, you will do it in next version and thank you for that.

Have you checked some infos and useful things about Bosnia in Tsardoms Total War? Do you want me to check it for you? Their mod is dead, so you could integrate some things in here, 'cause they are very realistic and, historically, quite accurate.

Cheers!

I have checked Tzardoms for information. It has a lot of useful information.

[Bosnian_King]

@Unanime

May be I will have more time tomorrown. For now I will give you just some surnames of Bosnian noble families:

This is the web site where you can find all their family weapons. Some of them are Serbian, Croatian, Makedonian etc.
http://www.samostan.ba/photos/thumbn...lbum=11&page=1

The bosnian nobles were:


bosnić
Zlatnosović (controlled mines in west bosnia-near Drina river)
Jablanić
Kotromanić (bosnian royals)
Kosačić
Tvrtković (he was a Kotromanic but his children and grandchildren were called Tvrtković)

[Ban_Stjepan]

@Unanime

This is list of some most important persons and families from medieval Bosnia:

Family Kotromanić (Kotromanich) royal family:
Ban (title ban is origin Avars (Turkish-Mongol tribe) title by some historicist) Prijezda (1254-1287)
Ban Stjepan I Kotroman (son of Prijezda and he was first with last name Kotroman later Kotromanic)
Ban Stjepan II Kotromanic (1316-1353 son of Stjepan I)
Tvrtko I Kotromanic (1353-1391) first Bosnian king and most powerful leader of Bosnia
Other members: King Dabisha (1391 - 1395), queen Jelena (1395-1398), king Ostoja (1398 - 1404 i 1409 - 1418),king Stjepan Ostojić (1418-1421), king Tvrtko II (1404-1409 i 1421-1443), King Stjepan Tomaš (1443 -1461) and last Bosnian king Stjepan Tomašević (Tomashevich) (1461 - 1463).

Family Kosačić (Kosachich)
Vuk Kosača father of Vlatko and Hrana Vuković

Family Vuković (Vukovich):
Duke Vlatko Vuković (Vlatko Vukovich) was most important military commander during King Tvrtko I, He defeated Ottoman Turks in eastern Hercegovina at year 1381 (or some source 1388) and he led Bosnian troops in historical battle of Kosovo.
Duke Hrana Vuković (brother of Vlatko) and his son very important person duke Sandalj Hranić.
Stjepan Vukčić (nephew of Sandalj Hranić) and his daughter Katarina Kosača last Bosnian queen.

Family Kovačić (Kovachich):
Duke Vlatko Kovačić (Vlatko Kovachich) 1378 also military commander during King Tvrtko I
Duke Ivan Kovačić 1446

Family Dinjičić (Dinjichich):
Dragiša Dinjičić
Kovač Dinjičić he was commander of cavalry unit (about 600-700 horseman) at 1442 (you can use it to create some original Bosnian unit)

Family Čihorić (Chihorich) during Tvrtko I 1353-1391
Nenac Čihorić treasurer
Vlatko Čihorić county ruler
Dabiziv Čihorić kings servant
Stjepko Čihorić clerk

Duke Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić (1350-1416) he defend Bosnian kingdom against Hungarians in period 1390-1415 and he was wise politician and get help from Ottoman Turks.

Vukac Hrvatinić he defended fortress Sokol against Hungarian crusaders led by king Ludovik I at 1366.

Family Jablanić (Jablanich)
Radin Jablanić and his son Pavao Radinović members of king Tvrtko s court
Petar and Radoslav Pavlović (sons of Pavao Radinović)

Family Rajković
Stjepan and Vuk Rajković they defend Bobovac Bosnian capitol, probably against Serbian emperor Dusan who lost war against Stjepan II Kotromanić about 1351.

Family Rubčić
Vuk Rubčić 1434

Family Sanković
Sanko and Gradoje important persons about 1391.

Family Zlatonosović
Baron Vukašin and his brother baron Vukmir Zlatonosović about 1391.

[Bosnian_King]

@ Ban Stijepan

Unamine asked me to give him some bosnian names. I do not have a lot of time these day. May be you can help?

I will give just some:

male names

Odola
Celko
Detmar
Kulin
Gorcin
Tvrtko
Stijpan
Prijezda

Female:

Vojaca
Grubaja
Jelisaveta
Dorateja
Anka


This are all names from the family tree of the bosnian royal family.

[Ban_Stjepan]

@Bosnian_King your choice is good

Some more first names from medieval Bosnia:

Male:
Stjepan
Vlatko
Dabiživ
Dabiša
Sandalj
Hrana
Nenac
Dragiša
Ivan
Kovač
Radin
Pavao
Hrvoje
Sanko
Gradoje
Vukmir
Ostoja

Female:
Katarina (last queen)
Elizabeta
Jelena
Mara
Doroteja

[sportsman81]

These are names of Bosnian state ruling dynasties:

...from 950. unknown Bans...
1.Ivan Kotromanic..........(Bosnian Ban, 1059-1084/5)
2.Stjepan.......................(Bosnian Ban, 1084/5-????)
3.Boric...........................(Bosnian Ban, 1154-1163/4)
a)Boric had two sons: Stjepan and Pavle (Paul)
b)Boric, also, had many grandsons/daughters: Odola, Celko, Boric, Detmar (Dietmar, Goth name), Matija
c)Boric founded the House of Boricevic
d)He was beaten by German Knight Gottfried (who was sent by Hungarian King Stephen IV. to subject Boric) in 1163/4
d1)One of Gottfied's most prolific fighters was Prince Cotroman the Goth, the ancestor of the future Bosnian ruling House of Kotromanic.
4.Kulin............................(Great/Grand Bosnian Ban, 1163/4-1180 and 1180-1204)
a)Kulin had a wife by name: Vojslava
b)Kulin also had son: Stjepan and daughter (unknown name, she was married to Duke of Hum, Miroslav)
5.Stjepan........................(Bosnian Ban, 1204-1232)
a)Stjepan was a son of Kulin Ban
b)Stjepan had a wife: Anka
c)Stjepan, also, had a son: Sebislav
6.Matija Ninoslav...............(Great Bosnian Ban, 1232-1250)
a)Ninoslav was cousin of Kulin
b)Ninoslav had a brother: Simeon
c)Ninoslav, also, had sons: Stjepan, others unknown.
7.Prijezda........................(Bosnian Ban, 1250-1290)
a)Prijezda had three sons: Stjepan (Kotroman), Vuk and Prijezda II. and daughter Katarina (Catherine) who was married to Slavonian noble Radoslav Babonic. Vuk's (Prijezda's son) daughter Jelena married for Duke of Hum, Vuk Hranic.
8.Stjepan Kotroman...........(Bosnian Ban, 1290-1312)
a)Kotroman was son of Ban Prijezda
b)Kotroman was married to Elizabeta/Jelisaveta (Elizabeth), daughter of Serbian King Dragutin.
c)Kotroman had three sons: Stjepan, Vladislav, Ninoslav and daughter Katarina (Catherine) who was married to Nikola, Duke of Hum.
c1)Kotroman's son, Vladislav, was married to Jelena, the daughter of Duke of Bribir, Juraj Subic.
c2)Vladislav and Jelena had two sons: Tvrtko and Vuk, and daughter Maria who was married to Ulrich X. Holfenstein from Germany.
d1)Kotroman's son, Ninoslav, had a son called Dabisa.
d2)Kotroman's son, Stjepan, succeeded Kotroman on his throne.
9.Stjepan II......................(Great Bosnian Ban, 1314-1353)
a)Stjepan II. was called by his father a Kotromanic.
b)Stjepan II. Kotromanic was married three time.
b1)Stjepan II. first wife was Orthenburg princess from Koruska (Kaernten), unknown name.
b2)Stjepan II. second wife was Bulgarian princess, unknown name.
c3)Stjepan II. third wife was Elizabeta (Elizabeth), daughter of Kazimir/Kasimir III. from Poland.
c4)Stjepan II. had six children, from that, four sons (all died in child age) and two daughters, Elizabeta (Elizabeth) and Katarina (Catherine).
d)Elizabeta (Elizabeth) was married to Hungarian King Ludovic and, Katarina was married to Hermann I. Count of Celje from Styria.
10. Tvrtko.........................(1353-1391-Bosnian Ban 1353-1371 and Bosnian King 1371-1391)
a)Tvrtko was first Bosnian King.
b)Tvrtko was son of Vladislav and grandson of Ban Stjepan Kotroman.
c)Tvrtko was married twice. His first wife was domestic Bosnian, Jelena Grubaca and, his second wife, was a Bulgarian princess Dorothea (Doroteja) from House of Bulgarian Tzar Ivan Sisman.
d)Tvrtko had three sons: Ostoja, Tvrtko II. and Vuk (Banic).
e)Throne was succedeed by Dabisa.
11.Dabisa..........................(Bosnian King, 1391-1395)
a)Dabisa was a grandson of Kotroman and son of Ninoslav.
b)Dabisa had a wife called Jelena Gruba, domestic noblewoman from Hum/Zahumlje (southern Bosnian province).
c)Dabisa had daughter Stana who was married to Duke of Hum Juraj Radivojevic.
c1)Dabisa also had a son but his name is unknown.
12.Jelena Gruba..................(Bosnian Queen, 1395-1398)
a)Jelena Gruba was a Bosnian Queen (probably first to reign) and a wife of King Stjepan Dabisa.
b)After Dabisa died she succeeded him on throne.
13.Ostoja..........................(Bosnian King, 1398-1404 and 1409-1418).
a)Stjepan Ostoja was a son of King Tvrtko and his wife Jelena Grubaca. He was married three times.
b)Stjepan Ostoja's first wife was Vitaca, second Kujava (both domestic noblewoman) and, third, Jelena, daughter of Duke of Bribir, Ivan Nelipic.
c)Stjepan Ostoja had three sons: Stjepan (by his father named Ostojic), second Radivoj and third Tomas.
d)Stjepan Ostoja's son, Radivoj, was married twice. First wife was Katarina Catherine) and second Margarita (Margareth).
d1)Stjepan Ostoja's son, Radivoj, had three sons: Tvrtko, Matija and Djurak.
14.Stjepan Ostojic..............(Bosnian King, 1418-1421)
a)Stjepan Ostojic was son of King Stjepan Ostoja and his second wife, Kujava. No info on his family.
15.Tvrtko II.......................(Bosnian King, 1404-1409 and 1421-1443).
a)Tvrtko II. was illegal son of King Tvrtko Kotromanic and he was named after his father as Tvrtkovic.
b)Tvrtko II. was married to Dorothea (Doroteja), neice of Hungarian King Sigismund and daughter of Hungarian Duke, Ivan Gorjanski. They had no children.
16.Stjepan Tomas...............(Bosnian King, 1443-1461)
a)Stjepan Tomas was son of King Ostoja and grandson of King Tvrtko. He was married twice.
b)Stjepan Tomas's first wife was Vojaca, a girl from Bosnian people and, his second wife was daughter of Great/Grand Bosnian Duke Stjepan Vukcic Kosaca.
c)Stjepan Tomas had three sons: Stjepan, Sigismund and third unknown (died on the island of Mljet, Adriatic see) and, at last, he had daughter Katarina. During Ottoman conquest of Bosnia, Sigismund and Katarina (when they were children) were captured by Ottomans and taken to Turkey.
17.Stjepan Tomasevic..........(Bosnian King, 1461-1463)
a)Stjepan Tomasevic was son of King Tomas (he was named after his father as Tomasevic) and his first wife, Bosnian people's girl, Vojaca.
b)Stjepan Tomasevic was married to Mara (maiden name Jelena), daughter of Serbian Despot Lazar Brankovic. They had no children.
c)During Ottoman conquest of Bosnia in 1463., Stjepan Tomasevic was captured in Bosnian castle Kljuc and executed in Jajce, also, Bosnian castle. With him, Bosnian dynasty of Kotromanic ended and Bosnian Kingdom was conquered.

More info:
Katarina (Catherine) Kosaca Kotromanic, wife of King Stjepan Tomas, was traditionally last Bosnian Queen (historically, last Bosnian Queen was Mara Jelena Brankovic Kotromanic).

[sportsman81]

How can I change Bosnian avatar/coat of arms so that it is all covered with lilies not just half of it?

Also, how can I change settelment or province names?

p.s.
You putted Hungarian names for Bosnia and Serbia...you need to put their names

[uanime5]

To change the coat of arms you need to make a new coat of arms and edit the 'C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\conquest\data\ui\southern_european\interface\new_age\eras.tga' and 'C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\conquest\data\ui\southern_european\interface\new_age\eras_small.tga' files using photoshop.

To change the settlement names in the 1453 campaign you need to edit the 'C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\conquest\data\text\conquest\imperial_campaign_regions_and_settlement_names.txt'.

I don't have any Bosnian or Serbian names, which is why I was asking for a list of them.

[sportsman81]

Since I don't know how, could you change Bosnian coat of arms in this campaign and send it to me that would be awesome...this is my avatar and original Bosnian coat of arms:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Or, at least, may be you can change just a bit your coat of arms that is for Bosnia in 1453 campaign, so, that, coat of arms is all covered with lilies not just half of it like you did.

I will post later the list of Bosnian names.
Cheers!