TATW Battle Editor (Tutorials, Help, Manual, Development)

[jản]

Hey jan , i thought you might find this interesting :

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settlement castle
{
    level large_city
    tile 286 23

    year_founded 1
    fortification 5 northern_european, walls 3 towers 3 gates 3 gate_defences 1
    population 4500
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator sicily
package_path settlements/north_european/castles/fortress/north_european_fortress_a.world

You need to add this under your 'faction milan' line in descr_battle , so it looks like this :
(milan is rohan in-game)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
; >>>> start of factions section <<<<

faction    milan
settlement castle
{
    level large_city
    tile 286 23

    year_founded 1
    fortification 5 northern_european, walls 3 towers 3 gates 3 gate_defences 1
    population 4500
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator milan
package_path settlements/north_european/castles/fortress/north_european_fortress_a.world
}
character    Theoden, named character, blahblah
army
unit        yourunit                soldiers 16 exp 4 armour 2 weapon_lvl 1

}

<other units>

Now , we (axnsan and i) haven't gotten it to work yet , but i think we're very close . Here's what we know/think so far :

settlement castle
{
    level large_city
    tile 286 23

    year_founded 1
    fortification 5 northern_european, walls 3 towers 3 gates 3 gate_defences 1
    population 4500
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator milan
package_path settlements/north_european/castles/fortress/north_european_fortress_a.world
}

Settlement : Followed by either 'city' or 'castle'
tile : wich tile the whole battle is being fought . Same as all armies
level : Followed by : town , large_town , city , large_city
year_founded : Not important , should match the founded year as you said in the editor though
fortification : level of fortification . I suppose it should match the level of fortification like in the editor
northern_european : Not sure bout this one . i think the culture of the city , but in TATW , the editor only has : men , dwarven , elvish , mesoamerican (these aren't the correct names !)
walls : don't know , could be either the level of the walls , or the amount of walls in the city
towers : don't know . i think this one defines wether it's arrow towers , balista towers , or the other one . I also suspect 0 = arrow tower , 1 = other tower , 2 = ballista tower . Not sure though
gates : don't know . I suspect the level of the gates (how strong it is)
gate_defences : don't know . Might have something to do with boiling oil , perhaps ?
population : population of the city . Not important i think
faction_creator : who made the city . i suppose it should be the same as the faction who owns it in the battle
package_path : should be following the path to the custom city you chose when you placed it with the battle editor

Alright , that's pretty much it . If you found a way to complete it or got it to work , please tell either me , or axnsan

Greats,
KingTheoden1

nice thank you - but i was there a few days ago - but after that i found out, that forts are no sttlements. if you look at the map of the campaign
for kingdoms britannia you will see that wales has two forts with troops
in it. as you know settlements are scripted like you posted here - but forts
dont. if you take a look at the "descr_strat" of the britannia campaign, you
can see that forts are simply scripted as this:

fort     78 144 stone_fort_a culture northern_european

no assignmets, no defence configurations, no owner adn creator, no population, no fortification - nothing.

in the "descr_strat" these fort are simply assigned to a faction by putting
som nuits on the same coordinates as the fort. but this is not possible for
a battle map.

i know that it has to be possible to assign a fort to a faction, becasue in
a campaign game the game hast to know which fort belongs to which
facton when it is beeing attacked (to recognize it as an attack - relevant
for war-declarations and alliance breaks)

[Killerbee]

Some nice heads-up there jan

[axnsan]

for all other settlements (like castles and citadels):

\Mediewal II - Total War\mods\Third_Age\data\models_strat\residences

Fail.


...settlements/culture_name/castles/...
...settlements/culture_name/cities/...

[jản]

Fail.


...settlements/culture_name/castles/...
...settlements/culture_name/cities/...

strange thing but i dont have that folders - the only
"settlements"-folder i have is the TATW folder "data".
and in there are only two folders "noth_european" and "water".

[axnsan]

strange thing but i dont have that folders - the only
"settlements"-folder i have is the TATW folder "data".
and in there are only two folders "noth_european" and "water".

That's because there was no need to put them in TATW. They are taken from the main m2tw folder
And obviously you replace culture_name with north_european, south_european, etc...




The paths you posted are strat map models, forts have that too

[Killerbee]

Then i suggest jan copies all entries axnsan posted in his TATW directory ?

[axnsan]

No, they are taken from the M2TW folder.
I don't have them in TATW either. Neither do you.

[jản]

I don't get it why the I'm getting a crash

faction    sicily
settlement castle
{
    level large_city
    tile 286 23

    year_founded 1
    fortification 0 northern_european, walls 0 towers 2 gates 2 gate_defences 1
    population 4500
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator sicily
package_path settlements/north_european/castles/fortress/north_european_fortress_a.world
}
character    Ecthelion, named character, male, age 30, x 286, y 23 portrait Ecthelion
army

etc....

have you typed the packagea_path yourself here? because if so,
i know where the error comes from. changing those package_paths
is somthing that doesnt work. because you need the correct link in
the "descr_battle.txt" and in the "map.wfc" but na matter which one
change, it always crashes the game. even if you change the link in
both files. i dont know how to set in the right links.

Anyway You have some problems there axnsan , perhaps this pic can help you :

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This is how i put up my citadel/fortress

EDIT : meh , i give up This is the last thing i tried .

settlement castle
{
    level large_city
    tile 286 23

    year_founded 1
    fortification 5 northern_european, walls 3 towers 3 gates 3 gate_defences 1
    population 4500
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator sicily
package_path settlements/north_european/castles/fortress/north_european_fortress_a.world
}

I think this line is the problem:

fortification 5 northern_european, walls 3 towers 3 gates 3 gate_defences 1

no it is not. this is at least something i figured out. you can deelte
this line and it still works fine. here is what you can delete which
changes nothing in the game:

faction    sicily
settlement castle
{
    level large_city
    tile 318 246

    year_founded 2010

    turns_owned 10
    fortification 4 gondor towers 2
    population 59000
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator sicily
package_path settlements/Middle_Eastern/Castles/Wooden_fort/Middle_Eastern_wooden_fort_A.world
}

all other things are essential and makes the game crash if
deleted. only the package_path is something you can delete, but
this results that the settlemetn is not assigned anymore.

NOTICE

i think that this definition of the settlement only defines it that
the AI nkows what siege eqiupment to field if availlable.

EXAMPLES:

settlement
{
    level village
    (...)
}the enemy fields no siege eqiupment

settlement castle
 {
     level village
    (...)
}the enemy fields only rams

settlement castle
 {
     level large_city
    (...)
}the enemy fields rams, ladders and siege towers

settlement castle
 {
     level huge_city
    (...)
}the enemy fields only rams and huge siege towers.

here is a list of all settlemet types (example Gondor):

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village

moot_and_bailey

town

wooden_castle

large_town

castle

city

fortress

large_city

citadel

huge_city

fort

this settlemetns definition can be chagned for every
settlement. if you only have placed a model of a
wooden_fort but change it to 'castle' and 'large_city'
the enemy fields rams, ladders and towers which they
can't even use.

so i assume that the type of a settlement (the mesh
and .world definiton) can not be setted in the 'descr_battle.txt'.
only in the 'map.wfc' via the battle editor. but this
does not solve the fort problem, becasue forts can
not be assigned to a faction - not in the battle editor
or the 'descr_battle.txt'.

man i really dont know what do to?

[Killerbee]

What i find strange , is that there's no 'edit city' button or no option to edit it (atleast for as far as i know) in the battle editor , now that i've placed it ..

[axnsan]

Double click it

BTW Jan, I made some portraits for eomer and the two isengard guys (well, one is from VE) for your helms deep battle. If you're interested Pm me or leave a message on my profile

[Killerbee]

I also made portraits for Faramir You would've noticed if you actually played the battle

Btw , can generals have custom portraits ?

[axnsan]

Generals '(named character') yes. Captains ('general') no.

[jản]

That's because there was no need to put them in TATW. They are taken from the main m2tw folder
And obviously you replace culture_name with north_european, south_european, etc...
The paths you posted are strat map models, forts have that too

but i dont have that folders in the main-directory.
the link from the descr_battle at a sample-battle i made says:

package_path settlements/Middle_Eastern/Castles/Wooden_fort/Middle_Eastern_wooden_fort_A.world

but i dont have that directory or that file - but the objects i correctly
shown in the battle. (the only place it is listed is in the file "pack_contents.txt")

i don't understand that - i guess it is packed anywhere.

BTW Jan, I made some portraits for eomer and the two isengard guys (well, one is from VE) for your helms deep battle. If you're interested Pm me or leave a message on my profile

yeah but i could only include this picture in the battle when i make
Eomer a named character - but than he will fight AI controlled. but
he sucks fighting AI controlled - he takes forever to get dowen that
hill and start to attack. after all they all get killed very fast. so he
has to remain a reinforcement character that is added to my units.

BTW - i updated the first post of this thread and created a nice
second one for editing the "descr_battle.txt". take a look at it.



but i still have not made an progress with the fort beeing assigned
to a faction. i guess you neither?

.

[axnsan]

but i dont have that folders in the main-directory.
the link from the descr_battle at a sample-battle i made says:

package_path settlements/Middle_Eastern/Castles/Wooden_fort/Middle_Eastern_wooden_fort_A.world

but i dont have that directory or that file - but the objects i correctly
shown in the battle. (the only place it is listed is in the file "pack_contents.txt")

i don't understand that - i guess it is packed anywhere.

Have you unpacked your game?

[jản]

Have you unpacked your game?

no and i dont think this would change something for i can access
the files as you see. anyway it makes no difference for the fort.
and this is the only thing that is not working in the whole battle
editor workaround. i about to go crazy - it has to be possible !

[Aye]

Hmm I've been planning to make map of Eriabor (the lonely mountain) in which two big fights have happened, The Battle of Five armies and The Battle of Dale. Now after three failed time consuming attempts to make a good, one big mountain, to the maximium height. Of course it can't be as wide as it is in reality (around 15km thats roughly nine mails). But still planning to make it big as I can. So I've come here for tips as I see you have made some nice mountain work in this map :--) And maybe some assistance with it, if you want to. This should be easier project than the MT one I hope :-P

Quote from the Helms Deep theard, still looking to make this map but haven't really tried for two days but I'd be glad for any tips.

[jản]

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go here to the first post of this thread and after that especially look
at the second post for editing the "descr_battle.txt". that will help
you al lot - but we will always try to help you whereever we can.

///

[Zikko]

Pressing both LMB and RMB makes the object disadpear for me atleast, not undo, disappear. Cant really try anything more complex maps because of that since I cant rotate objects

[jản]

Pressing both LMB and RMB makes the object disadpear for me atleast, not undo, disappear. Cant really try anything more complex maps because of that since I cant rotate objects

me too - i cant rotate them as well. [user]axnsan[/user] can - maybe you should ask him.

[Zikko]

Anxsan, please tell us how to rotate objects