Concepts and Theories

**Augustus Lucifer** · June 22, 2009, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Stephan

does that mean i have to write a new script for every enemy faction?

That is where the Script Replicator comes into play.

As well in the above example you would need to include other conditions to check if you are at war with the faction most notably, and anything else to further specify it. You would need to also find a way to check which cities you own and by transition which ports, and write one for every port.

**Killerbee** · June 22, 2009, 09:02 AM

Yep , i think so

And to make it complete : you also need to 'define' wich faction owns the port , so they get the penalty for the port blockade

I'd define the factions like this :

Code:

script

declare_counter port1
declare_counter port2
; ... so on for all factions

if I_SettlementOwner 'Settlement' = hre

set_counter port1 1

end_if

if I_SettlementOwner 'Settlement' = france

set_counter port2 1

end_if

if I_CompareCounter port1 = 1
  and I_CharacterTypeNearTile 'faction' admiral 1 , x, z

console_command add_money hre -1000

end_if

wait_monitors
end_script

Or :

Code:

script

declare_counter port1
; ... so on for all factions

;; Setup for each faction
if I_SettlementOwner 'Settlement' = hre

set_counter port1 1

end_if

if I_SettlementOwner 'Settlement' = france
 
 set_counter port1 2
 
 end_if

;; Comparing wich faction has the port
if I_CompareCounter port1 = 1
  and I_CharacterTypeNearTile 'faction' admiral 1 , x, z

console_command add_money hre -1000

end_if

;; Comparing wich faction has the port
if I_CompareCounter port1 = 2
  and I_CharacterTypeNearTile 'faction' admiral 1 , x, z

console_command add_money france -1000

wait_monitors
end_script

This would be one very long script

Ah , damn , AL was ahead of me

**Augustus Lucifer** · June 22, 2009, 09:10 AM

I would encourage using event monitors for everything where possible. In place of if statements the command monitor_conditions should be used, which does the same thing but functions outside of a monitor. if statements should be thus reserved mainly to functioning within a monitor_conditions or monitor_event.

You don't want to check something like that all the time or it will start to cause lag. Monitoring an event works best because it only happens when the event happens, not every time the conditions are met which is at countless intervals. So something to the effect of:

Code:

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
        and I_CompareCounter ports_penalty_active == 1

[[Settlement owner counter checks go here in if statements]]
end_monitor
;Use PreFactionTurnStart in Kingdoms
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
        and I_CompareCounter ports_penalty_active == 1

[[Admiral near port goes here in if statements. Use nested if statements]]
end_monitor

The ports_penalty_active counter is something I advise for all big game-changing scripts that aren't integral to the game. This only works for Kingdoms though but in essence you'd fire an accept/decline to determine if they want to activate the script system at game start, so those not interested in getting port penalties don't have to. We'll get into that later. For M2 you might be able to do it in a Showme but I can only recommend that any new modification be built on Kingdoms.

**Killerbee** · June 22, 2009, 09:13 AM

Ah , kk , didn't know bout if statements

And yea , don't know bout M2TW scripting , so thx for bringing that up

**Stephan** · June 22, 2009, 09:16 AM

wow thats complex but i dont think thats what i want to do
maybe i should explain what i want to do:
for the phoenician cities sea trade was very important. The player(and also the ai) should try to stop the 3 main ports tyre, sidon and byblos from being blockaded, if not you should loose money.

this is what i have at the moment

monitor_event I_CharacterTypeNearTile faction(i guess i have to do that for every faction) admiral 1, x, y(koordinates of the port)
(dont know where to set the ",")
and I_SettlementOwner Tyr_Province = milan (phoenician cities)
console_command add_money milan, -2000
end_monitor

**Killerbee** · June 22, 2009, 09:23 AM

Some notes :

I don't think you can use "I_" inside a monitor .. I always use :

if I_CharacterTypeNearTile ...

But im's sure GED or AL will give more feedback

i think 'settlementowner' requires a settlement to follow , not a region ..

Apart from that , looks good

**Augustus Lucifer** · June 22, 2009, 09:39 AM

You can use I_ commands in a monitor without an if statement, the problem with the above is that a condition is being used without an event in a monitor_event. And yes you are correct that I_SettlementOwner wants the name of the city rather than the region/province.

I would discourage extending something like that to the AI, because the AI doesn't know what effects scripts have on it. The AI Phoenicians won't decide to stop ports from being blockaded because there's a script in place to hurt them if they are, they'll only know that they are having money taken away, not why or how to prevent it.

**GrnEyedDvl** · June 22, 2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Augustus Lucifer

I would discourage extending something like that to the AI, because the AI doesn't know what effects scripts have on it. The AI Phoenicians won't decide to stop ports from being blockaded because there's a script in place to hurt them if they are, they'll only know that they are having money taken away, not why or how to prevent it.

Exactly right. Remember when you are scripting for the AI you have to make their choices for them. The AI doesnt "know" anything, all of the AI decisions are based upon a point system that is far beyond the scope of this class. If you want to know more about how that works then look up some stuff by Lusted and Xeryx on the campaign AI.

**Theodotos I** · June 23, 2009, 07:28 AM

How do you script something in based on SettlementTaxLevel?

**Killerbee** · June 23, 2009, 08:38 AM

I guess my questions got lost in the long blockaded port discussion

I'll post it again :

Originally Posted by KingTheoden1

I have some questions : Is it possible in M2TW to script movies ? I know a way-around in RTW , but i don't know 1 for M2TW ..
Also : I have installed Barebones folder , as i had some probs creating my own modfolder . it has a campaign_script though .. Should i delete all that is inside it ?

**Icedie El Guaraní** · June 23, 2009, 01:07 PM

Hey guys can you with me your opinion on this script, its base on class 1 but what i wanna know is if it makes sense for a general case, i mean to take money from the player and letting the player get too rich too soon, and if the game is turning difficult and the debt is too high it will try to help you a bit.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

i am going to use it for all FactionIsLocal but what i can´t figure is when to stop it, i need it to stop by half way of the campaign been the campaign start 620ad and end in 1050ad. perhaps by creating a mission at 820ad or turn 200, once completed that mission this script becomes useless.

**Killerbee** · June 23, 2009, 03:05 PM

Hmm .. A mission you say ? Here you go , in this script , the "mission" is to capture Rome with Venice (just an example)

Code:

script

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
and FactionIsLocal
and Treasury > 20000
and not I_SettlementOwner Rome = Venice ; Say that the mission is to capture Venice
and not I_TurnNumber >= 200 ; So that it won't activate the script after turn number 200
console_command add_money east_anglia, -20000
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
and FactionIsLocal
and Treasury < -5000
and not I_SettlementOwner Rome = Venice 
and not I_TurnNumber >= 200 

console_command add_money east_anglia, 5000
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
and FactionIsLocal
;and loosing_money Are you sure it shouldnt' be : LosingMoney
and not I_SettlementOwner Rome = Venice 
and not I_TurnNumber >= 200 

console_command add_money east_anglia, 1000
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
and FactionIsLocal
and Treasury > 30000
and not I_SettlementOwner Rome = Venice 
and not I_TurnNumber >= 200 

console_command add_money east_anglia, -15000
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
and FactionIsLocal
and SettlementTaxLevel > tax_high
and not I_SettlementOwner Rome = Venice 
and not I_TurnNumber >= 200 

console_command add_money east_anglia, -5000
end_monitor

wait_monitors

end_script

Ordened your script a little and added what you asked for

Might wanna test it out though

I'd also wait for feedback from GED or AL , as they are the pro's

(The bolded parts are the stuff i added)

**Icedie El Guaraní** · June 23, 2009, 06:01 PM

Thanks buddy, it is very clear but you got me in the opposite direction mate, i want the script to stop working at 200 turns not to start, i appreciate the feedback though, + rep however i will definitely test it and see what happen.

Edited:

and not I_TurnNumber >= 200

You were totally right i was wrong my bad! i haven´t tested it yet though, but shouldn´t be with out the not
and I_TurnNumber >= 200
?
ReEdited:

It clearly did trigger it but nothing happen actually!!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

This is what the code look like:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

or was it suppose to happen something? or it was just deactivate the script after turn 2?

**Killerbee** · June 24, 2009, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Icedie of South

You were totally right i was wrong my bad! i haven´t tested it yet though, but shouldn´t be with out the not
and I_TurnNumber >= 200

?
Nope , in words , this means :

And i am not at a turn number larger than 200 ..

So , if you are at a turn number smaller than 200 , the script will activate and decrease your money ,y ou see ?

Originally Posted by Icedie of South

ReEdited:

It clearly did trigger it but nothing happen actually!!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

This is what the code look like:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

or was it suppose to happen something? or it was just deactivate the script after turn 2?

I think it's supossed to stop (the script for decreasing money should stop) after turn 2 , and after "gwynedd' is the owner of 'Lundewic' ..

Check if all faction names you listed are correct in descr_sm_factions(for RTW , dunno if this file exists for MTW2) , and if all conditions/commands are correct , like in the docudemons .. Btw , you have something weird :

Code:

; ...

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
and FactionIsLocal
and SettlementTaxLevel > tax_high
and not I_SettlementOwner Lundewic = gwynedd

and not I_TurnNumber >= 2
console_command add_money east_anglia, -5000
end_monitor

wait_monitors
; ...

This means that east anglia will keep getting money penalty until gwynedd captures Lundewic .. Quite weird no ? Shouldn' that be ;

Code:

; ...

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
 and FactionIsLocal
 and SettlementTaxLevel > tax_high
 and not I_SettlementOwner Lundewic = east_anglia ; instead of gwynned ?

 and not I_TurnNumber >= 2
 console_command add_money east_anglia, -5000
 end_monitor

 wait_monitors
; ...

**Augustus Lucifer** · June 24, 2009, 06:35 AM

One thing is that you're using a negative where it isn't needed. You don't need to use not for the I_TurnNumber command because you can just use the opposite operator, a number greater than or equal to a number will always be the opposite of a number less than or equal to a number, except when they are equal to the number. And when they're equal to a number and you don't want that number to count, you simply remove the equal.

>= = Greater Than or Equal
<= = Less Than or Equal
< = Less Than
> = Greater Than
== = Equal

So when I say:

and I_TurnNumber >= 5

That means the script will fire when the Turn Number is 5 or higher. If I were to say:

and not I_TurnNumber >=5

That means the script will fire when the Turn Number is 4 or lower. That is the same as saying:

and I_TurnNumber < 5

A negative as applied to a greater/less than or equal to, is the same as the opposite sign minus the =.

**Killerbee** · June 24, 2009, 07:34 AM

That would idd be more usefull

So instead of :

and not I_TurnNumber >= 200

you better say :

and I_TurnNumber <= 200

Sorry Icedie

Btw , is the "=" really needed after a "<" or a ">" ? I think it's not in RTW , but that might be different here ..

**Icedie El Guaraní** · June 24, 2009, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by KingTheoden1

?
This means that east anglia will keep getting money penalty until gwynedd captures Lundewic .. Quite weird no ? Shouldn' that be ;

Code:

; ...

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType east_anglia
 and FactionIsLocal
 and SettlementTaxLevel > tax_high
 and not I_SettlementOwner Lundewic = east_anglia ; instead of gwynned ?

 and not I_TurnNumber >= 2
 console_command add_money east_anglia, -5000
 end_monitor

 wait_monitors
; ...

Yes you are correct, it suppose to be east_anglia but i thought it was a mission, if i capture it from them the script will be disabled.
Any ways it was just an example.
I will try it later tonight thanks, i wanna to set up this script for all anglo-saxon´s faction (Mercia, northumbria, Wessex, Essex, Cantware , East_Anglia) so that the britons(Gwynedd, Gwent, Powys, Dyfet, Alt_Clut, Dyfneint) aren´t over powered to soon, opposite to the AS´s script i wanna them to be kept alive for as long as possible , because i am planning to add a script that unite the britons under the Dehebaurth banner. and keep the overall factions at a average level of wealth so that when the Vikings arrive in 793ad they find the British and Irish factions at their mercy

.
I will be asking more questions though.

@AL

>= = Greater Than or Equal
<= = Less Than or Equal
< = Less Than
> = Greater Than
== = Equal

I don´t understand what the = means in MTW2 terms, in the docudemon appear as a logic token?
<= = (what does the double = means?)
< = Less than and < less than ( what is the difference?)
== = ( i hav enever seen this, i am missunderstanding your xplanation, sorry Its my poor English´s fault)

**GrnEyedDvl** · June 24, 2009, 09:08 AM

I will try to clear up the < > confusion. Yes these are all logic tokens.

1 = 1

2 > 1

1 < 2

2 >= 1

1 <= 2

Obviously 1 = 1 is not a problem. But lets say we are comparing TurnNumber, and we are currently at turn 20.

TurnNumber = 20

if I_TurnNumber = 20 returns a True value, commands will run

if I_TurnNumber = 10 returns a False value, commands will not run

if I_TurnNumber >= 10 returns a True value, commands will run

if I_TurnNumber <= 10 returns a False value, commands will not run

What you are doing when you put conditions in a script, is looking for a True value. If all conditions are met, then a True value is returned and the commands inside the script will run. Maybe a good way to write it is like this. I will leave out the monitor_event for now...

FactionTurnEnd FactionIsLocal - if this is True, process next line
and FactionType england - Player is England = true then process next line
and TurnNumber >= 20 - if it is turn 20 or higher, and all of the above is true, then process next line

Everything you do is geared towards determining whether the conditions are True or False, and then running commands when they are True. Even if you use the Not command you are looking for True.

FactionTurnEnd not FactionIsLocal

You would assume that because of the not that you are looking for False. This will screw you up. What you are looking for is a True value when the faction is NOT controlled by the player.

Players faction is England, when player clicks TurnEnd and FactionTurnEnd processes. What we are looking for is a faction NOT controlled by the player. So ask this question:

Is this faction NOT controlled by the player? The answer is false because England IS controlled by the player.

Does that help any??

**Romanos IV** · June 24, 2009, 11:22 AM

and TurnNumber >= 20 - if it is turn 20 or higher, and all of the above is true, then process next line

Just a question: if this the only condition in a script, will it fire in turn 20 or randomly after turn 19?

**Augustus Lucifer** · June 24, 2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Romanos IV

Just a question: if this the only condition in a script, will it fire in turn 20 or randomly after turn 19?

It will fire on Turn 20 and every following turn, unless you either terminate_monitor so it only runs once, or do something like set a counter in the monitor and require the counter so it only fires again when you flip it back. If you want it to fire randomly after Turn 20 you can use RandomPercent or the command generate_random_counter.

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