SigniferOne's Animations Pack

[Iaius Statius Laurentius]

Mm, it's definately the mod. I restored my backup animations and changed all the Roman fs_s1_gladius skeletons back to fs_swordsman, and everything is back to normal. The non-modified units work normally again too...

SigniferOne, it's a brilliant mod and it's unfortunate that a problem such as this makes the game unplayable (since nothing works in battle when they're all confused), because I did like the mod. I don't care for archers and never use them, and phalanxes look fine to me--but I absolutely loved the accurate Roman warfare, and I was pleased to see Roman styles differentiated for once. I hope you can find a fix for this problem soon.

EDIT: Problem solved. I was a goofball and didn't upgrade to 1.2. Whoops.

That meant, of course, that I had to painstakingly re-edit every single change I ever made to most of the game's files. Fortunately I've the benefit of hindsight and I already knew what to fix, so that's good.

[Captian Marcus Cornelius]

i cant get thisd mod to work on SPQR for some sreson if set it up like you said but every time i enter a battle whith any of these units the game CTD.....

[Simetrical]

EKG, nope 3feet maximum, most of the time less. Barbarians on the other hand did fight in a very loose formation, both because they lacked the discipline and other moral factors to maintain a cohesive order, and because their swords were very long, and thus only usable in a low-discipline, low-order very loose formation.The sizes of the swords are in inverse relation to the discipline of the troops involved, and the closeness of order in which they fought.

Polybius disagrees.

Now in the case of the Romans also each soldier with his arms occupies a space of three [Roman] feet in breadth . . . each man must be at a distance of at least three [Roman] feet from the man next him in the same rank and those in front of and behind him, if they are to be of proper use.

Polybius, Histories. Book 18, Chapter 29 (online at LacusCurtius).

-Simetrical

[SigniferOne]

Gaius Statius, whew... goofball indeed! I was starting to get concerned...

Captain Marcus, you will have more chance asking about this in SPQR's thread, because I'm not too familiar with each mod's configuration. I have heard that SPQR makes some anims modifications itself, which may cause the problem you're having.

Simetrical,

First off as far as I know, the Roman foot was shorter than the modern foot. Secondly, Polybius says that the legionary, like the phalangite, occupies 3 feet in breadth himself, which is way shorter than the modern foot. Thirdly, exactly as I said, "each men must keep 3 feet of distance from the man next to him", not 6 feet as EKG said. However, after reading Polybius' passage I see that they were even closer-ordered than before, because even the 3 feet distance apart that they had was measured by a shorter foot than I thought originally. So I'm not sure where your argument lies in. Basically Polybius says that each Roman soldier has a Roman foot and a half of space on each side, to do some manoevering and dodging and combat. That is adequate space for the task, but in absolute terms not that much space at all!

[Chilly5]

ey-a Signifer, can i have permission to use ur barb sword animation (the swinging one) for a mini mod of mine to create a single unit of thracian macemen? the barb animation works well (better than fs_swordsman), cause no one ever stabs with a mace, and the barb sword is a slashing animation. however, since i am not good with animating, i will need to include ur intire latest version in the mod, since i do not know wat exactly to copy and paste for only the barb animation.

[Simetrical]

First off as far as I know, the Roman foot was shorter than the modern foot.

Only slightly (insert standard Wikipedia disclaimer here).

. . . exactly as I said, "each men must keep 3 feet of distance from the man next to him", not 6 feet as EKG said.

Ah, well, there are two ways of measuring. Either you measure from each man's right shoulder to the left shoulder of the one to his right (exclusive measurement), or you measure from one man's right shoulder to the next man's right shoulder (inclusive measurement). By the former measurement, the distance is three feet, as you said; by the latter, it's six feet. I don't know which one EKG meant—I had assumed you were both talking inclusively, but clearly you at least weren't.

-Simetrical

[{H0sPiTalLeR}]

Excellent jumping animation sig. I'm glad you took my idea into account. :wink:

[Iaius Statius Laurentius]

Cavalry seem to get the occasional flutter when charging, but everyone else seems okay.

[EKG]

According to Dupuy&Dupuy's military history book, each soldier circa second Punic war had about a six foot diameter circle. Excepting velites probably, I don't have the book with me right now so I don't know... I would be willing to accept the fact that throughout over 500 years there is going to be a hell of a lot of change, so... who knows?

Does anyone know how much the armour and shield in that animation weigh, in addition to the shield and helmet?

Lorica Segmentata: 17 pounds 6 ounces, this is the armour used by 2nd century AD legionaries
Scutum: 12 pounds, this was the shield those same legionaries generally used, the one from the Punic wars was around 22 pounds.
The helmet generally weighed 4-5 pounds.

In addition to the different kinds of belts, dagger and sword...

Now I understand that this would not be the soldier in your pic, but don't all the Romans jump in that?

My point is would they really be jumping 3 feet in the air?

BTW in the gladius animation is the sword edge up and down or left to right? I believe they used it horizontally to slip in between the ribs. I do agree that slashing/chopping was almost certainly very rare with the gladius, and I'm glad you made an animation to reflect that. Also big thanks for the hoplite animations, they truly are fantastic!!

[SigniferOne]

I have been working on some speeds for different animals. There will be a new heavy horse skeleton, which will be approximately twice as slow as fs_fast_horse, and will be REALLY slow in general on tha battlefield. It will, however, still charge right before the engagement as fast as it did before, only the general running movement speed has been decreased. The following pic illustrates the relative speeds of fs_fast_horse, fs_horse, and the new heavy horse skeleton:


Question: what's unusual about the following pic?

[EKG]

Either Parthian elephants or the fact that there are javelinmen on top of them...

I swear to god if those elephants can use cantabrian circle...

[Julius_Caesar]

I swear that there are Javelin Men on the Elephants not Archers?

Am I right

[Trajan]

I swear that there are Javelin Men on the Elephants not Archers?

Am I right

In some accounts there were archers and in other accounts there were javelin throwers.


Edit:

I seem to be having problems with the elephant archer riders. They never fire their arrows while moving. Could this be a problem with the 0.65 animation mod?

[Simetrical]

No, that's sadly a bug with 1.2.

-Simetrical

[Trajan]

No, that's sadly a bug with 1.2.

-Simetrical

Damn, just when I was getting into my Seleucian campaign. So the elephant archer bug is not fixable?

[maximusminimus]

No, that's sadly a bug with 1.2.

-Simetrical

No it's not Simetrical, that 1.2 bug only afects horse mounted archers, not the elephants.



This is the default animation, not Sig's one.

@ Signifer:
Very nice Sig, finaly we're going to have javeliners on the elephants!

[Trajan]

No it's not Simetrical, that 1.2 bug only afects horse mounted archers, not the elephants.



This is the default animation, not Sig's one.

Is there a way to fix my problem?

[maximusminimus]

@ Trajan:

Maybe revert to the vanilla animation for the archers?

[Trajan]

@ Trajan:

Maybe revert to the vanilla animation for the archers?

If you're talking about the vanilla 1.2 animation, then I allready did and it's the same thing. If I can't fix this problem than I'll probably have to wait for SigniferOne releases his new animation pack with the elephant javelin crew.

[Simetrical]

As I said, to my knowledge the issue is a bug with the 1.2 patch. I have observed it firsthand in games with unmodded animations. The archers generally fire about once, when the elephant starts to move, and that's it.

-Simetrical