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[PSIHOPAT]

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[Mithrandir]

You're underestimating the melee powers of Elves while overestimating the power of Dwarves and Middle Men...

[PSIHOPAT]

You're underestimating the melee powers of Elves while overestimating the power of Dwarves and Middle Men...

Make siple test in custom battle in diverse situation(with this modification of curse),and after that i will be hapy to listen your opinion.I sustain "elven archer are deadly in ranged but have no chance in the face of charge cavalery or if they fight in close combat with heavy infantery or even low level infantery" and eriador low level units have great chance to win the battle if they are 2 against one.

[Mithrandir]

Of course Middle Men have a good chance to win if they're 2 against 1...
You say "In my opinion Eriador will have best low level units, which can inflict great casualties". That's what I'm arguing.

As for elves not being able to win against heavy infantry, that's just silly.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Damn you Mith, why did you have to reply here? This thread was clean, it was empty, it was silent, it was ignored. It should've stayed that way...

[Mithrandir]

Damn you Mith, why did you have to reply here? This thread was clean, it was empty, it was silent, it was ignored. It should've stayed that way...

You're right. Oh well, I solemnly swear to never post in this thread again.

[PSIHOPAT]

Middle Men have low cost for units and good population grown and can aford huge army.Even one on one low level units from eriador can make an hole in enemy line.They are light shok troops.Elven archer fight well in close combat but canot defeat infantery triple that they are.They are not gods.When one unit fight surounded bi enemy,the rules are changed.Surounded units recivie huge amount of damage from hundred of armed mans and must be extremly resistent to survive and react.Dwarf can fight well surounded,but silvan elfs.....i think not.Elven archer need suport.

[JuL14n]

Psychopath, both elves and dwarves are best in middleearth when it comes to
close combat, the only thing that makes dwarves better is their heavy armour and strenght.

You gotta stop playing these games that make you believe that the elves live inside trees and their only power is their bows.

[PSIHOPAT]

Damn you Mith, why did you have to reply here? This thread was clean, it was empty, it was silent, it was ignored. It should've stayed that way...

I smel some kind of conspiracy.This forum are drived bi dictatorial rules?Ther are meeting of comunist people?I am free to expose mi opinion and i will.

Psychopath, both elves and dwarves are best in middleearth when it comes to
close combat, the only thing that makes dwarves better is their heavy armour and strenght.

After you have maked minimum 10 test in custom battle with units who have their atributes chanced i will listen your opinin.In other case NO. You think you know me but i asure u ...NEVER.Arogance its weakness.

[tomkiddo]

Good god, I cannot deal with this poor, poor excuse for English.

[LEGION3000]

I smel some kind of conspiracy.This forum are drived bi dictatorial rules?Ther are meeting of comunist people?I am free to expose mi opinion and i will.

After you have maked minimum 10 test in custom battle with units who have their atributes chanced i will listen your opinin.In other case NO. You think you know me but i asure u ...NEVER.Arogance its weakness.

OMG, they are saying this because these are people that ACTUALLY KNOW stuff about LOTR and not just making a mod of the day.

This mod will be lost among the detritus soon enough.

[IanLast]

Lol, i always thought in the middle earth universe, elves were considered far superior beings over men, esp in the 1st and 2nd ages. Having both grace, strength and stamina along with many many years of wisdom. Im not an expert however on the LOTR. Hell, i knew more about the elves in D&D. They are portrayed as fragile, agile bowmen.

[JonSnow]

I took a look at the EDU out of curiosity of how horrible it was and found out that he stole the RC EDU... it has virtually all the same stats with added crap like ap and bp for elven bowmen... and 2 HP for Dwarven warriors... and yet not even for some other dwarven units of the same tier... talk about balance lawl.

Here is some examples:

Dwarven Inconsistency:

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type Dwarven Halberdmen
dictionary Dwarven_Halberdmen ; Dwarven Halberdmen, Superior
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
soldier dwarven_halberdmen, 60, 0, 1.5
mount_effect horse +1, camel +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod 0.6
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 8, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, axe, 105, 1
stat_pri_attr ap, light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 9, 0, metal ; lamellar ; defense halberd 5 + phalanx 2 + superior 1 + agility 1
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 7
stat_ground 0, -2, 1, 1
stat_mental 15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 880, 260, 75, 600, 800, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 2
armour_ug_models dwarven_halberdmen
ownership moors
era 0 moors
era 1 moors
era 2 moors
recruit_priority_offset 5


type Dwarven Warriors
dictionary Dwarven_Warriors ; Dwarven Warriors, Superior
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier dwarven_warriors, 30, 0, 1
officer dwarf_captain_early_flag
mount_effect horse -1, camel -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation 1.2, 0, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square, shield_wall
stat_health 2, 2
stat_pri 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 45, 1
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 6, 5, metal ; dwarven lamellar
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 7
stat_ground 0, -2, 2, 1
stat_mental 15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 880, 260, 75, 600, 800, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 2
armour_ug_models dwarven_warriors
ownership moors
era 0 moors
era 1 moors
era 2 moors
recruit_priority_offset 7

Crazy Elven Archers with super arrows of doom:

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type Elf Archer3
dictionary Elf_Archer3 ; Eldar Archers, Special
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier elf_archer_noldor, 20, 0, 1.2
officer highel_captain_early_flag
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit, cannot_skirmish
move_speed_mod 1.15
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 10, 4, eldar_elven_mass_arrow, 240, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area, ap, bp
stat_sec 13, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1 ; 5 +1 elven blade + exceptional 5 +1 eldar +1 no shield
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 13, 14, 0, metal ; elven gold platemail ; defense sword 5 + eldar 6 + exceptional 3
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, -2, 2, 0
stat_mental 20, disciplined, highly_trained, lock_morale
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2080, 360, 75, 75, 1760, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 3
armour_ug_models Elf_Archer_Noldor
ownership egypt
era 0 egypt
era 1 egypt
era 2 egypt
recruit_priority_offset 15

And super hobbit archers... with cavalry arrows...

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type Hobbit Archers
dictionary Hobbit_Archers ; Hobbit Archers, Average
category infantry
class skirmish
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier hobbit_archers, 60, 0, 0.6
officer eriador_captain_early_flag
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation 1.6, 1.6, 3.2, 3.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 1
stat_pri 3, 5, quality_cav_mass_composite_arrow, 180, 45, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 30, 1 ; attack sword 4 - 2 hobbit -2 skill + 1 no shield
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 1, 1, 0, leather ; defense 5 - 2 skill + 2 agility - 1 hobbit
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 1
stat_mental 9, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 340, 120, 75, 75, 360, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 1
armour_ug_models hobbit_archers
ownership turks
era 0 turks
era 1 turks
era 2 turks
recruit_priority_offset 5

[LEGION3000]

And I bet he never even thought to put any credit in there to PB and the others.

Why would someone take a fantastic working mod and actually make it WORSE?

Seriously, can't a mod find some reason to lock these threads. Aside from the comedic value I can't see anything positive coming from this.

[Hellenikon]

I wasn´t expecting anything original, not from one who has written this
after trying to pass up other´s work as his own.

[Haldir]

Ugh... This guy is still churning out the rubbish...

WHO GAVE HIM REP!?!??!?!?!?!

[JonSnow]

Ugh... This guy is still churning out the rubbish...

WHO GAVE HIM REP!?!??!?!?!?!

Probably Anibal es portas.. those two are peas in a pod.

[PSIHOPAT]

1.Dwarven units-Some of them have 2 hp but their number are halved.Exception from the rules make miners(they are just worker),crossbowman(are considered low level units and number of arow are always very important),halberd and pike(halberd are very efective against booth:cavalery and infantery and 2 hp make them unbalanced,pike remain at 1 hp because in the face of charging cavalery,number of pike are always important)
2.Ranged elven units have extreme acurate and lethal arow(they theserve it)but their number has been halved"soldier elf_archer_noldor, 20, 0, 1.2" and encounter serious problem in the face of rain of arrow,exception from this rule make hybrid elven units.Hybrid elven units can be considered auxiliary units because cant hold the line in close combat long time(they are just few),but if they are used rightly can be devastating power.
3.Eriador hunter and hobbits has recivied better ranged power,but their defence has been lowered "stat_pri_armour 1, 1, 0, leather ; defense 5 - 2 skill + 2 agility - 1 hobbit".They can make good job against low armored oponents but are very vulnerabile to missile fire,close combat and cavalery.

One aspect who bother me is "WHI SOME PEOPLE DONT LEAVE ME ALONE" ?I dont want any credits,i dont deserve any credits,i dont want any reputation,I DONT CARE ABOUT THAT.

JuL14n dont insult me...CLEAR?.Dont say me "Psychopath".My Nick name its "PSIHOPAT"

I say again all who are not interested bi this modification can leave this topic.It is very easy.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Probably Anibal es portas.. those two are peas in a pod.

Lol.

[Blackomur89]

I took a look at the EDU out of curiosity of how horrible it was and found out that he stole the RC EDU... it has virtually all the same stats with added crap like ap and bp for elven bowmen... and 2 HP for Dwarven warriors... and yet not even for some other dwarven units of the same tier... talk about balance lawl.
[/spoiler]

PSIHOPAT have you asked permission for this EDU? You could get banned if you just took it and posted it as you're own.