I like the idea but please don't put a Wraith unit.
Wraith=Ring Wraith=Nazgul.
There where no other wraiths in Middle earth.
I like the idea but please don't put a Wraith unit.
Wraith=Ring Wraith=Nazgul.
There where no other wraiths in Middle earth.
2D artist for Call of Warhammer TW; 2D artist for Westeros TW; 2D artist and researcher for The Ruins of Arnor TATW sub-mod; 2D artist for Warcraft TW.
The developers seem very unlikely to add new units that fill out the weaknesses in factions and that's fine by me. So if we're going to include Dwarven chariots they kind of still have to be different than just adding normal good cavalry.
Dwarven chariots could be a high cost, high upkeep, top tier unit with some extremely slow recruitment refresh. Could even make it capitol only. To differentiate them from normal cavalry and to make them more interesting, I think having they would be better as more similar to elephants. Very few chariots in a unit and they would really tear through enemies, but they could also lose control of the horses.
On the note of more cavalry I really think that OoTMM need a single unit of light cavalry (pretty much exactly what the light wargs were in the Additional Units submod). I think having limited use of light cavalry still retains their cavalry weakness. The other option here is to make them ride spiders like in BFME2, but that is ridiculous.
Only other unit I would like to see is the isenguard bomb. I might even experiment with making one myself if none is planned. I think technically you can just make it a siege weapon with a special monster bombard type shot that can only be fired at a point blank range.
Last edited by Lap; May 22, 2009 at 02:16 AM.
i think these units would be good.
citdal guard archers: citdal guard with longbows and longswords.
improved citdal guard spearmen: armed with swords for when the enemy gets to close (beacuse right now citdal guard are crap"
guard of the tower
rohan
medusa guard: armoured with sword and shield
medusa guard archers: amroured with sword and bow
rohan outrider: light armour bow and sword.
They were not that similar:
- Latin Knights - lower tier knights
- Outremer Knights - offer ap melee weapons making them better in counter cavalry role
- Templars - offensive and inspirational (not just plain attack)
- Hospitallars - very defensive and better in melee than charge + inspire
- Knights of Jerusalem - overall powerful elite, more for direct combat, less as inspiration
I see fairly distinctive units.
I am slightly obsessed with longbows
[quote=aurther;5232096]I like the Tolkien setting and atmosphere, but a game is for me first and foremost a game. A logical challange to make you think, not drool about Feanor kindred making epic moves on the battle field outnumberd 50 to 1. Also, Tolkien's fantasy is subtle, fairly realistic. Adding more equal units would complicate things needlessly and make the game less focused.
I am slightly obsessed with longbows
But they are similar in that they are all heavy cavalry, only separated by a few points here and there.
What's stopping these new units proposed from having similar variations to these knights?
Each of these knights adds some flavor to the mod, because each is a bit different and has a different specialty. Why can't TATW do the same?
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[quote=DjAci;5232744]Its still run on the same engine as vanilla med2. theres not going to be a logical challenge with the AI. the only real challenge that can come from the AI is giving them insane bonuses which kinda ruins immersion when you have orcs fighting at the same level as top tier elves.
so if u want a challenge queue up a game of chess against some masters. if you want a fun immersive mod that wont be very challenging (but doesnt need to be to be fun) then i think thats what this mod is. Its catering to a large range of people and more immersion as long as it follows the lore wont hurt the game in the slightest. it might not add to it when it comes to tactics on the battlefield but it wont hurt it.
Pinnath Gelin warriors, as they were described in RoTK, led to MT by Hirluin the Handsome, green cloaked clansmen, with longswords, shields and mail armour.
Also, Morthod(Blackroot) Valley bowmen, with dark green leather armor and black cloaks...
[quote=DjAci;5232744]Sooo you might as well play football manager, a game of statistics, if the relationship between cause and effect is the only valid point of view for this game? Why did I pay so much for my graphics card I wonder? You are clearly an old school strategy gamer, when such considerations were beyond imagination, but Medieval is all about the megalomania! What's the difference between normal sized groups and huge? It's all the same from a cause and effect point of view, right? It's the megalomania behind the eyes, not the logic behind the brain
There are clearly many ideologies and this forum is clearly a place where they might meet and clash... It comes down to this, after a couple of campaigns with every faction you're interested in (and this could be done within a week) there are two possible conclusions:
1. Wow, this is great, I'm never going to stop playing this game!
2. Ok, I've seen it all, what else is on?
I for one tend towards the second option, as high elves have 1 infantry unit and 2 archer units which linger for a hundred turns... You on the other hand might enjoy the challenge of a brutally limited unit rooster for a million turns... We are both correct in our own little worlds, and the modding team shall decide how to improve their product in the future.
I only hope that more people agree with me and that we might influence the developers And in such a case I doubt you'll be disappointed with the results
Last edited by Vaul; May 22, 2009 at 04:41 AM.
There is already at least one submod that adds new units: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=254552
[quote=Vaul;5232818]I don't enjoy sterile games like football manager plus i don't care about football overall. What I really like are COMPETITIVE RTS like Warcraft 3 and Starcraft (pretty much any other RTS, but these are the best exapmle). Each unit in an RTS game is there for a reason, redundancy is avoided mostly. That's would I want in TATW.
I am slightly obsessed with longbows
We need Dwarf Hobbit throwers! Let's face it, Hobbits don't serve any other useful purpose
How about the uruk scout/raiders that were used at Amon Hen in the films. The current raiders don't look very... Quick, what with all that plate armour on them.