!!!!Point Blank's "Real Combat + Recruitment" for 1.4.1 (doesn't work with 2.1)!!!!

**Momus** · September 20, 2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Point Blank

You are playing Silvans right? They can only recruit their advanced (Galadhrim) units from Lorien - nowhere else, not at Thranduil's Halls.

Is that all they can recruit then? Sentinals and Galadhrim? Cos I can get, nothing at all, no horse archers, no infantry (at all) only the sentinals. and the 'moren'....i think buildings that are meant to be in Lorien (in the descr_stat file at least) they don't show on the campaign map in the settlements. Is this right?

edit:

Originally Posted by Kikka

Citadel guards are constantly dying quite quickly even against mediocre orc infantry when outnumbered, so are fountain guards. One rather leaves them out of battle and use normal gondor units than having to worry about getting them out of harms way in the battlefield. Even with 20% losses it takes ages to be able to even retrain them in Minas Tirith. I just don't think they are now worth the wait.

You get loses like that cos you don't support them properly, you can't use the one man show principle and base your army around the fact that the FG or CG will steam roll anything - they need to be properly supported with other infantry to clear out the enemy when they break into their formation and to provide protection on the flanks and archers to thin the enemy's ranks and sow discord before the battle proper is joined

**Smaug** · September 20, 2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Momus

You get loses like that cos you don't support them properly, you can't use the one man show principle and base your army around the fact that the FG or CG will steam roll anything - they need to be properly supported with other infantry to clear out the enemy when they break into their formation and to provide protection on the flanks and archers to thin the enemy's ranks and sow discord before the battle proper is joined

Don't worry, I'm quite familiar with TW combat strategies

. I still stand behind my words, that either their replenishing rate should be lowered or their stats raised a tad.

**Juli** · September 20, 2009, 04:58 PM

I found a couple of inconsistencies while checking out the EDU:

- The Rohan Riders have a secondary attack of 9, while the Eored Lancers get 8 secondary attack. It is weird cause the Eored Lancers are, like, the beefed up version of Rohan Riders
- The Dismounted Eored Lancers have a radius of 0.4 (instead of 0.3 for having a spear) and are classified as heavy infantry
- Dalian Men at Arms and Rohan Spearmen are curently unrecruitable. Is there any particular reason for that, or is it just a bug?
- The Gondor Infantry bodyguards have 14 armour value, yet they use the same armour as regular gondor infantry (12 armour). Shouldn´t it be 13 (Partial plate 12 +1 for being bodyguard)?

**Momus** · September 20, 2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kikka

Don't worry, I'm quite familiar with TW combat strategies

. I still stand behind my words, that either their replenishing rate should be lowered or their stats raised a tad.

sorry

just checking

I don't think so tho, i think they are fine, as long as they hold their formation I have had no issues with them

NOW on to my persistant sonofa

problem with the Silvan bloody elves in RRRC - I can only recruit Sentinals.....at all in any settlement.

I have reinstalled TATW completely, I have since checked on the building browser what I can recruit, but nothing other than Sentinals. And they can only be recruited in the Practice Range, and nothing above or below - they all have no units at all.

I love this submod, I really do. It makes this mod that much more fun as I have to be very careful not to throw away any soldiers and most battles are heavily stacked against me and I enjoy the challenge, but this recruitment problem is really doing my head in now....someone please help me!!!!!

**martyran** · September 20, 2009, 09:19 PM

I need some help
The bree Raiders have no weapons
I mean weapon graphic ...they fight ok
Can anyone help me fix
I Have looked in the unit description and the entry and it looks the same as all the other entries
Can I fix it manually or do I have to reinstall the everything ?
Thanks

**TNZ** · September 21, 2009, 12:01 AM

Point Blank: The epithets I added to the biography traits may not display if a character starts the game with an epithet and his father is listed in the family tree.

This campaign script should make the epithets display:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**TiFlo** · September 21, 2009, 12:09 AM

Hi PB,

I had a go with the latest (lore) version of your mod with the High Elves (Sept18).

I managed to ally with all good factions as early as possible, and acted most of the time as protector of the weaker factions (in my campaign Dwarves and Eriador), either by giving them money or sending armies to deal with invading stacks. Gondor and Rohan held fast (so as Dale and the Sylvan Elves BTW), although Rohan slowly managed to push Isengard back to Ortanc where Saruman was killed and his faction destroyed around turn 150. Against the combined forces of Eriador, the Dwarves, the Silvan Elves and myself, the OOMM also got destroyed around that time, while I gave the Misty Moutains regions I had captured back to the Dwarves.
I've now reached 200 turns. I landed a full invasion on Harad's coast to seize Umbar and the surrounding cities to relieve some pressure form Gondor's southern border. As a result, Harad who had kept Gondor in check all that time collapsed in a dozen turns, and is now being rolled up by Gondor all the way down East. Gondor also seems to finally get the better of Mordor, and has managed to capture Minas Morgul and clear Ithilien of Sauron forces for good. Meanwhile, The Dwarves and Dale are also slowly invading Rhun, who is surprisingly still around, and well.

Also worth mentioning, money hasn't been flowing, and I've only been able to field one single stack of Eldar, and even then half filled up with veteran regular HE units (infantry and archers).

As you can see, it's been a very pleasing campaign, with strong alliances paying off on the long run, while still allowing for a lengthy game with plenty of indecisive moments (the Anduin valley between Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul must be a blood pool by now). Thank you so much for such a great experience!!

Now, can I nitpick? Just a bit? A tiny little bit? I won't be long, I promise.
1) While I perfectly understand that the "bank" part of TNZ's Lifespan mod is not in, why didn't you include all the non-dying / dying script? It felt pretty awkward when the window popped up telling me that Elrond the Just died at 86, same as the other family members followed. That part of TNZ's mod seems to me perfectly lore-compliant.
2) What do you think about Razor's modified Eldar units?

**Metzgershund** · September 21, 2009, 12:53 AM

Help Please:

Installed everything perfectly because I could play before installing this mod (also installed the ent mod, might be that?) but now when I start kingdoms > americas (which is the renamed TATW folder I used to make it work with Steam) the first game loading screen comes up and the ring spins as if it is loading for about 30-45 seconds then crashed to desktop without any error whatsoever. My computer and the game simply act like nothing happened and everything is fine...

Here's my log, any help would be greatly appreciated because I really want to use your mod:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Point Blank** · September 21, 2009, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Momus

Is that all they can recruit then? Sentinals and Galadhrim? Cos I can get, nothing at all, no horse archers, no infantry (at all) only the sentinals. and the 'moren'....i think buildings that are meant to be in Lorien (in the descr_stat file at least) they don't show on the campaign map in the settlements. Is this right?

There is only a Town Watch and a Town Guard in Lorien, you have to build a City Watch and wait for barracks event to get Galadhrim spearmen for example. A stables won't build Silvan HA, you need a Knight's stables.

Originally Posted by Juli

I found a couple of inconsistencies while checking out the EDU:

- The Rohan Riders have a secondary attack of 9, while the Eored Lancers get 8 secondary attack. It is weird cause the Eored Lancers are, like, the beefed up version of Rohan Riders
- The Dismounted Eored Lancers have a radius of 0.4 (instead of 0.3 for having a spear) and are classified as heavy infantry
- Dalian Men at Arms and Rohan Spearmen are curently unrecruitable. Is there any particular reason for that, or is it just a bug?
- The Gondor Infantry bodyguards have 14 armour value, yet they use the same armour as regular gondor infantry (12 armour). Shouldn´t it be 13 (Partial plate 12 +1 for being bodyguard)?

Rohan Riders havea sword, Eored Lancers have an axe.
U r right about the Eored lancers thanks
Dale MAA shold be recruitable, will check. Rohan Spearmen are not recruitable in 1.2, and are kinda redundant when Rohan has the spear militia, so will likely leave them out.
I can't remember why I had the Gondor BG with 14 but seems 13 would be better.

Originally Posted by TNZ

Point Blank: The epithets I added to the biography traits may not display if a character starts the game with an epithet and his father is listed in the family tree.

This campaign script should make the epithets display:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Great thanks

Originally Posted by TiFlo

Hi PB,

I had a go with the latest (lore) version of your mod with the High Elves (Sept18).

I managed to ally with all good factions as early as possible, and acted most of the time as protector of the weaker factions (in my campaign Dwarves and Eriador), either by giving them money or sending armies to deal with invading stacks. Gondor and Rohan held fast (so as Dale and the Sylvan Elves BTW), although Rohan slowly managed to push Isengard back to Ortanc where Saruman was killed and his faction destroyed around turn 150. Against the combined forces of Eriador, the Dwarves, the Silvan Elves and myself, the OOMM also got destroyed around that time, while I gave the Misty Moutains regions I had captured back to the Dwarves.
I've now reached 200 turns. I landed a full invasion on Harad's coast to seize Umbar and the surrounding cities to relieve some pressure form Gondor's southern border. As a result, Harad who had kept Gondor in check all that time collapsed in a dozen turns, and is now being rolled up by Gondor all the way down East. Gondor also seems to finally get the better of Mordor, and has managed to capture Minas Morgul and clear Ithilien of Sauron forces for good. Meanwhile, The Dwarves and Dale are also slowly invading Rhun, who is surprisingly still around, and well.

Also worth mentioning, money hasn't been flowing, and I've only been able to field one single stack of Eldar, and even then half filled up with veteran regular HE units (infantry and archers).

As you can see, it's been a very pleasing campaign, with strong alliances paying off on the long run, while still allowing for a lengthy game with plenty of indecisive moments (the Anduin valley between Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul must be a blood pool by now). Thank you so much for such a great experience!!

Now, can I nitpick? Just a bit? A tiny little bit? I won't be long, I promise.
1) While I perfectly understand that the "bank" part of TNZ's Lifespan mod is not in, why didn't you include all the non-dying / dying script? It felt pretty awkward when the window popped up telling me that Elrond the Just died at 86, same as the other family members followed. That part of TNZ's mod seems to me perfectly lore-compliant.
2) What do you think about Razor's modified Eldar units?

Usually HE have a very strong economy, did you concentrate on economic buildings?

Will likely include TNZ's aging scripts, just that there were many changes last update so wanted to make sure everything is working before adding more in.
Saw Razor's units some time ago but will look again.

Originally Posted by Metzgershund

Help Please:

Installed everything perfectly because I could play before installing this mod (also installed the ent mod, might be that?) but now when I start kingdoms > americas (which is the renamed TATW folder I used to make it work with Steam) the first game loading screen comes up and the ring spins as if it is loading for about 30-45 seconds then crashed to desktop without any error whatsoever. My computer and the game simply act like nothing happened and everything is fine...

Here's my log, any help would be greatly appreciated because I really want to use your mod:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Something is very messed up with your install, its not finding parts of critical files. You can't install Ents mod over RC/RR, it would have to be manually integrated.

**Space Voyager** · September 21, 2009, 03:46 AM

PB, you seem to be a modding machine... Great update. I just wonder when I'll be able to complete a single campaign, dammit!

I'm playing as Dwarves (again) and I'm waiting for Dale to loose a settlement so I can go on "mini crusade". Phenomenal.

**Hanny** · September 21, 2009, 04:11 AM

http://www.filefront.com/14573023/Te...%20%281%29.rar
#Link to data files.
http://www.filefront.com/14573093/sounds.rar
#Link to sounds, adds in alternative music for Gondor only.

Linked to thread:http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=294907

**Anarion_[PL]** · September 21, 2009, 08:18 AM

Hi,
I found what was wrong at least for know

so there is no need to read the log. Thanks for this submod it is awsome!

**TiFlo** · September 21, 2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Usually HE have a very strong economy, did you concentrate on economic buildings?

Will likely include TNZ's aging scripts, just that there were many changes last update so wanted to make sure everything is working before adding more in.
Saw Razor's units some time ago but will look again.

Yes, I did indeed concentrate on economy. First by making Mithlond my capital, then by building roads/ports/farms/markets and so on up to the last upgrade everywhere as soon as it was available. But doing so was only rewarding on the long term, as that meant the money invested in this couldn't go into military buildings: long after the high tier barracks event fired my field armies were still made up of early/mid game units.

Taxes are never higher than "high", as then I believe it gives bad traits to governors.

I also gave quite a lot of money as gift to all my allies, either to keep strong ties or more often when they needed it, so that I wouldn't have to send an army to each existing front in Middle Earth.

Thanks for looking into TNZ's and Razor's (his changes are very subtle but the Eldars look truly gorgeous now).

**Momus** · September 21, 2009, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Point Blank

There is only a Town Watch and a Town Guard in Lorien, you have to build a City Watch and wait for barracks event to get Galadhrim spearmen for example. A stables won't build Silvan HA, you need a Knight's stables.

I know that, but in the building browser and then when I have built them they are not there. And I get no basic melee infantry tho. I still have the original four Silvan Spears and the one unit of Wardens left from the start (depleated tho) but there is no where to retrain or recruit even the basic infantry (not even in Lorien - is that meant to be the case is what I want to know)

Cheers for all the replies and putting up with me whining!

(not being sarcastic)

**Seleukos_I.** · September 21, 2009, 10:02 AM

Normally you should be able to build more than just Sentinels from the start, e.g. Silvan Spearmen

**Momus** · September 21, 2009, 10:41 AM

that is what I thought but I don't know why it is not working the EDB and DS file are fine, but it still does not work

wtf

and if i upgrade my archery buildings from practice to archery ranges i can recruit nothing AT ALL!

**betto** · September 21, 2009, 11:46 AM

I just installed the last RR/RC for Tatw and in the first turn popup unespecific error and this on the log :

13:43:08.937 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 10962, column 3
Building DB error - faction turks has gap in building prior to northsouthroad
13:43:08.937 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 10962, column 3
Building DB error - faction turks has gap in building prior to c_northsouthroad
13:44:11.906 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

**Anarion_[PL]** · September 21, 2009, 12:45 PM

During Gondor vs. Rebels battle i had a CTD. I have TETW 1.2 and RC/RR from 18 sept. After istallation of TETW 1.2 i extracted "data" and then non-lore edition to the mod. After that i put to the game fix for Legolas and Razor Eldar Units 3.0. I had a problem with no roads and pelagir marines etc. but after deletion of map.rwm everything was normal untill now. Do you know what is wrong?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Seleukos_I.** · September 21, 2009, 12:49 PM

You should either extract Data or Non-Lore.
Data are the lore files.

**Juli** · September 21, 2009, 01:05 PM

Rohan Riders havea sword, Eored Lancers have an axe.

The Rohan Riders actually carry axes. Check it out

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The only non-axe cavalry of Rohan are the Bodyguards/Royal Guards and the Eored Horseachers

And they are AP, so they´ll shred most enemies to pieces with their high attack

EDIT: The Dunland Clansmen, I think, should not get a shield defense value. Some of them carry shields, some of them don´t, so it´s weird that they get the shield defense (making them resiliant against arrows). Maybe they should get a boosted defense skill to represent the shield...

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