!!!!Point Blank's "Real Combat + Recruitment" for 1.4.1 (doesn't work with 2.1)!!!!

[Smaug]

How come Urak Hai Archers of Isengard say they are long range, BUT do not shoot at long range? I always have to move them closer before they actually shoot. The icon and the description say they are firing but, NO arrows are coming from them and no Urak Hai archer is posing to fire.

BTW is there any chance you can merge with the Ring Mod and with DAC to get more factions, cause some factions seem a little to large at the start. And Dunlending has only spearmen?? How did they ever threaten Rohan like that??

I doubt that DAC and RR+RC will ever be compatible. DAC is a total conversion of TATW and would require a totally new balancing of recruitment and combat for every faction. I think DAC devs do their own balancing. Besides it sounds funny if a submod is doing a balance overhaul to another submod

[Point Blank]

yep started a new campaign? when do boromir and faramir pop up at what turn? im at turn 27 right now

They don't pop up, they are there at the start, just outside Minas Tirith.

[IZ-Master]

im still sad no sagara units btw can I use darth Bai without problem ?

[Point Blank]

Uh ... why do you keep nerfing bodyguards into eternity? You think one or two additional defense points matter at all when you keep lowering and lowering number of soldiers?

Meh, like I couldn't already slaughter entire bodyguard unit with an average foot infantry unit or above-average cavalry unit.

Nothing stopping you increasing their number in your own version.

[Asparagus]

Are you going to include the full Enhancement mod later? Also, what about these mods: new Ancillaries Reworked names. sgwara's mod maybe?

Maybe the new Gondor units when they're done (AOR units and reskins).

[Cincinatus]

The Greek Wars Mod only allows unique faction units to be recruitable in their home regions. So, if high elves conquered a area where humans lived, could not they only recruit human units there? Even if you do not go that far, it would be cool to have some units that factions can recruit likely native to the lands they conquer, and not just units normally only found with in said conquering faction.

[Cynik]

Trying this out now, sounds insanely awesome

[Fulgrim88]

The Greek Wars Mod only allows unique faction units to be recruitable in their home regions. So, if high elves conquered a area where humans lived, could not they only recruit human units there? Even if you do not go that far, it would be cool to have some units that factions can recruit likely native to the lands they conquer, and not just units normally only found with in said conquering faction.

Thats cool for greece, where it's basically the same nation divided into many little city states (So Athenai may improve their army with Spartian Phalanx) . However, it would look kinda weird on a large scale, especially in LotR. The factions are too different. Imagine Gondor (or any good faction) using Orc Mercenaries.

It would make sense for human factions only, like Gondor recruiting Rohan Cavalry and vice versa, but that would kinda overpower them

[Point Blank]

...hmh overpower faction..i dont think...elves have to short unit rosters i would say...
and what about that use or destroy the ring submod...
i ll only wait until this one will be include in to your great work....

The Ring submod will be updated by the mod creator I think, he prefers to keep control of it, as its quite complex and he wants to keep updating it.

Wow , nice to see something of my mod is implemented

Yes thankyou, likely more will be used from your mod if that is OK

And some of mine.. What an honor

Don't be so modest, F&B is a great mod

Great, thanks for the new update!

Just a question: do now evil factions got destroyed only if no regions/generals left, or is it still under testing?

That is the plan, it should work that way most of the time.

Are you going to include the full Enhancement mod later? Also, what about these mods: new Ancillaries Reworked names. sgwara's mod maybe?

Not sure if the full Enhancement mod, but likely more of it yes. The new ancilliaries and names look good.

im still sad no sagara units btw can I use darth Bai without problem ?

To use Darth BAI, first open battle_config.xml and make sure the following code is at the top:

<combat-balancing>
<missile-target-accuracy>
<infantry>1.0</infantry>
<cavalry>1.5</cavalry>
<elephants>2.0</elephants>
</missile-target-accuracy>
<melee-hit-rate>2.00</melee-hit-rate>
</combat-balancing>

His formation files, if you are using them, may not be ideal due to the use of skirmish class in RC, but he might have worked them in, I'm not sure.

Now regarding the addition of more units to this mod, yes it will likely happen but it wasn't the focus of this update. I'll be looking at it more closely for the next update

[deangdaniele]

AWESOME mod!
but i think i found a bug..
i'm using 18 sept RC+RR - additional unit
militia barracks for goblin haven't got reclutable units... no more infantry for goblins
and i'll ask again (3rd time) why can't i make uruk warg(heavy wargs) with isengard... i can see heavy wargs in custom battle but can't build it in campaign
however.. thanks for the new update!

[Smaug]

I'll be looking at it more closely for the next update

And when might that be?

[deangdaniele]

we have to establish an "additional units party"

[Point Blank]

AWESOME mod!
but i think i found a bug..
i'm using 18 sept RC+RR - additional unit
militia barracks for goblin haven't got reclutable units... no more infantry for goblins
and i'll ask again (3rd time) why can't i make uruk warg(heavy wargs) with isengard... i can see heavy wargs in custom battle but can't build it in campaign
however.. thanks for the new update!

I'll fix that and post the file here a bit later.

And when might that be?

Well I can guarantee it won't be today!

[Jean=A=Luc]

AWESOME mod!
but i think i found a bug..
i'm using 18 sept RC+RR - additional unit
militia barracks for goblin haven't got reclutable units... no more infantry for goblins

Eek, for the AI too? I better suspend my Gondor campaign, don't want it to be too easy.

Oh, and I noticed Faramir has the "power of the eldar" ability, was it intended?

[Resurrection]

Found funny glitch. New trait (dunno from which merged in mod) Liberator of Ost-in-gil has in description that the wielder has liberated Dol Guldur. Liberator of Dul Guldur has the same (in taht case correct) description.

Also wardogs unit of Harad still misses the textures for men in the unit (dogs are fine).

[Achilla]

Nothing stopping you increasing their number in your own version.

Ah, seems like you missed a point

I know that you put A LOT of time into balancing units and that there is an intelligent pattern after that design decision, but just tell me what's the difference between what they were and are now? What has changed on the theoretical background for such drastic change? What bodyguards are capable and are incapable of now and for what reason? What design logic is behind that? I just wondered, because bodyguards were fairly untouched in previous versions and only got smaller play-balance tweaks, but now this drastic change all of a sudden. I'd like to understand, but first let me to that

[Hanny]

Ah, seems like you missed a point

I know that you put A LOT of time into balancing units and that there is an intelligent pattern after that design decision, but just tell me what's the difference between what they were and are now? What has changed on the theoretical background for such drastic change? What bodyguards are capable and are incapable of now and for what reason? What design logic is behind that? I just wondered, because bodyguards were fairly untouched in previous versions and only got smaller play-balance tweaks, but now this drastic change all of a sudden. I'd like to understand, but first let me to that

You mean like Mordor having a gen with Numenoean bodygaurd with free upkeep, that means a 1500 point unit for free when ina city, when it goes out, and there are 9 of them, ai income takes a pasting, so does anyforce they fight against as itsa devestaing unit in combat.

[Achilla]

You mean like Mordor having a gen with Numenoean bodygaurd with free upkeep, that means a 1500 point unit for free when ina city, when it goes out, and there are 9 of them, ai income takes a pasting, so does anyforce they fight against as itsa devestaing unit in combat.

Mordor is an exception, their BG was always the strongest mounted BG just like Dwarven bodyguard was the strongest dismounted BG unit.

[redcloud]

Can someone explain in more detail how to install this mod (without the additional units mod).

When installing third age you had to:

- Install Part1/Part2, Patch 1.1, Patch 1.2 into the default 'Medievall II Total' War directory.
(Normally this is: 'Programs/SEGA/Medieval II Total War')
If you have installed Medieval II into another folder, please select the folder manually.


With this mod it says:

2) Install the contents of the download into your TATW folder.

Are they the same thing?

3) You have now installed the default (Lore) version of this mod. You may now play the game. Optionally however, IF YOU WISH TO USE THE NEW UNITS IN AGOSTINOS ADDITIONAL UNITS MOD, OR HAVE BEEN RUNNING A CAMPAIGN WITH THAT MOD INSTALLED, NOW COPY THE CONTENTS OF THE TATW/data_Additional_Units_non-Lore FOLDER INTO THE TATW/data FOLDER. IT WILL THEN BE SAVE-GAME COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN

Also does not "the contents" of the download include the additional units? I i do not want the additional units exatly which folders should i install?

[Hanny]

Mordor is an exception, their BG was always the strongest mounted BG just like Dwarven bodyguard was the strongest dismounted BG unit.

Actualluy no thats incorrect, the same applies to most factions, bodyguard size makes them uber powerfull, and their cost ruins the ai economics.