Curial Commentary Thread

[makanyane]

Technically a citizen only defers the right to display citizenship. A self imposed exile should be just that, self imposed. Not removed because 'Dick' went postal.

Aside from that how could I fail, am I not beloved!..

Well yes but....

Whilst agreeing that 'case law' shouldn't be set on one bad/extreme example... I would like to point out that some members that resigned really did mean to resign and not just opt to not display citizenship (which used to be an option in account preferences anyway, even whilst retaining the rank).

As far as I remember the rather odd and annoying rule about still being counted as eligible for it only came in because of one (maybe two?) members resigning whilst drunk and causing hassle by then wanting it back immediately afterwards...?

Frankly I'd much rather the rules be change in line with the ToS/moderation rules to prohibit the curia / cdec being allowed to discuss resigned members accounts - which is the unfortunate side effect of the current rule - that they apparently have the right to discuss the behaviour of your account, even if you no longer consent to participation in the RPG. Posters in the Q&S are not allowed to discuss other members accounts and I can see no reason why the curia /cdec should be exempt from the rule until/unless members have explicitly themselves applied for re-instatement - which for my account will occur when purple spotted pigs have been proved to fly.

[Halie Satanus]

I never liked the rule of enforced deference to be honest. Sim's idea iirc. But since it's there...

Frankly I'd much rather the rules be change in line with the ToS/moderation rules to prohibit the curia / cdec being allowed to discuss resigned members accounts - which is the unfortunate side effect of the current rule - that they apparently have the right to discuss the behaviour of your account, even if you no longer consent to participation in the RPG. Posters in the Q&S are not allowed to discuss other members accounts and I can see no reason why the cura /cdec should be exempt from the rule until/unless members have explicitly themselves applied for re-instatement - which for my account will occur when purple spotted pigs have been proved to fly.

There is precedent.

Not sure what I meant by posting that.. I guess that despite Prof's obvious hatred of the Curia and all it's wears he did go back, for whatever reason ...

[y2day]

which for my account will occur when purple spotted pigs have been proved to fly.

[Captain Hastings]

Why do you keep calling Richard 'Dick'? It's just momentarily confusing and not all that clever.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Why do you keep calling Richard 'Dick'? It's just momentarily confusing and not all that clever.

Conveniently, Dick is a diminutive form of "Richard". Ah, this type of trolling reminds of the good ol' days.

[Captain Hastings]

Conveniently, Dick is a diminutive form of "Richard". Ah, this type of trolling reminds of the good ol' days.

If it weren't for that, we could get him infracted for insulting you.

[Richard the Lionheart]

If it weren't for that, we could get him infracted for insulting you.

4 years ago, there would be a 10-page thread in the staff forums about it and how to deal with it! There were some truly masterful trolls in the mudpit, ethos, and curia forums back in the day.

[Hader]

4 years ago, there would be a 10-page thread in the staff forums about it and how to deal with it! There were some truly masterful trolls in the mudpit, ethos, and curia forums back in the day.

Then along rolled the tribunal...

[makanyane]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...17#post9192817

Actually they face it while they are gone. As long as CdeC have not stripped a citizen of their rank they can be referred by staff or by a member of the site to CdeC, whether or not they are currently part of any of the citizen groups.

So why is that allowed? The curia / CdeC is not part of the Terms of Service of the site, and as far as I can see is only an opt in / opt out element. So why when members opt-out can they still be subjected to this? (Unless or until they specifically request to opt-in again?) When as I mentioned before the general rule for the site has been that members (other than Hex / moderators in the privacy of the areas designated for moderation) are prohibited from discussing other members accounts?

[Squid]

Its allowed so that if some citizen felt like breaking the rules they couldn't resign their citizenship break the rules and then resume their citizenship and not be affected. The discussion of members accounts does have allowances, such as CdeC and the tribunal commentary, though both in a limited way. Put it another way, just because you choose not to partake in any way with the citizenship and curia does not mean you are not still considered a citizen. Similar to how if I choose not to vote in election I'm still a citizen.

[Astaroth]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...17#post9192817


So why is that allowed? The curia / CdeC is not part of the Terms of Service of the site, and as far as I can see is only an opt in / opt out element. So why when members opt-out can they still be subjected to this? (Unless or until they specifically request to opt-in again?) When as I mentioned before the general rule for the site has been that members (other than Hex / moderators in the privacy of the areas designated for moderation) are prohibited from discussing other members accounts?

It's that way simply to ensure that people don't "conveniently" resign their rank whenever they are referred to the CdeC, only to pick it up again a couple of weeks later. If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with the Curia anymore they can simply ignore the whole process anyway. Nobody is forced to submit a defense or anything, nor can the CdeC "punish" members (aside from removing their Citizenship but if one has already voluntarily given it up he would probably not care about that).

EDIT: Squid, don't type faster than me.

[Hader]

If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with the Curia anymore they can simply ignore the whole process anyway.

This has worked well for me.

[makanyane]

Its allowed so that if some citizen felt like breaking the rules they couldn't resign their citizenship break the rules and then resume their citizenship and not be affected.

So why can't grievances against a resigned account simply be logged - to be assessed IF and only if, the person does ever request to resume citizenship? Otherwise the CdeC is simply wasting it's breath / typing fingers... and invading the privacy of those who wish no part in it.

If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with the Curia anymore they can simply ignore the whole process anyway.

This has worked well for me.

Yup, I must remember to try and stay logged in so I can't see the bloody place....

[Hader]

Yup, I must remember to try and stay logged in so I can't see the bloody place....

I would be hiding the whole forum, if I didn't like to coughtrollcough in there...

[Muizer]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...78#post9194078

Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

[Jom]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...78#post9194078

Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

Wait you're complaining about this amendment being abandoned? Why? It was a terrible idea.

[Meneth]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...78#post9194078

Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

An arbitrary limit on the length of time on can be resigned wouldn't make the Curia more credible, nor more useful.
It'd only make it so there's another arbitrary restriction that makes little sense.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Originally Posted by Muizer
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9194078#post9194078
Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

Wait you're complaining about this amendment being abandoned? Why? It was a terrible idea.

What he said...^^^^

If one left honorably, then why should one not return with honor as well.....{"If" you* ever did return that is...}



* You general

[Muizer]

If one left honorably, then why should one not return with honor as well

If the Curia is so afraid to offend one of their own that it can't bring itself to properly demote someone who left voluntarily, how can it possibly reform itself in a meaningful way?

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

If one left honorably, then why should one not return with honor as well.....{"If" you* ever did return that is...}

* You general

If the Curia is so afraid to offend one of their own that it can't bring itself to properly demote someone who left voluntarily, how can it possibly reform itself in a meaningful way?

I mean someone who simply choose to surrender their rank... To my minute experience, the CdeC has never shied away from stripping a member's rank when appropriate.