Armenian Genocide - Concentration camps and the extermination process

[hellheaven1987]

Na, this thread again. I thought we all agreed mass-deportion is not genocide??

[PointOfViewGun]

http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/ki...=991&belge=991

This link has what proof really is. It contains military reports and telegrams with the scanned picture of the original document and Turkish translation. I wish they also included English version. There are numerous documents, all with original copies. If anyone can present something that even resembles this kind of proof at the smallest extent, we can take this claim more seriously.

Mass-deportation is not genocide. I believe no state establishes a law that outlines such a deportation and it's aftermath to commit genocide against a group of people(Techir Law).

[Paul d]

Definition of Genocide: systematic killing of a racial or cultural group.

The "Armenian Genocide" wasn't a true genocide, both sides committed their share of atrocity. Instead of "acknowledging the Genocide" we should just realize that both sides were at fault in some way or another, and a horrible thing happened.

[Dodge]

Turkey should not be allowed in the EU unil it takes responsibility for the genocide AND sorts out the Cyprus dispute.

[Arch-hereticK]

I agree, the Cyprus dispute is massively important, I don't understand why so few people are aware of it.

[Tiberios]

Voted no by accident. I ment yes. Its as bad as denying the holocaust

It is. therefore yes.

[cenkiss]

The issue is Armenians formed small renegade groups with help from russians in hope for their free armenian land.They declared war by attacking Ottoman soldiers,villages,people.And mostly people could not defend themselves because all the young,strong men were in the army during that time.After years of struggle with these gangs Turks and Kurds alike formed their own bands to counter those atrocities.There are still live eye victims of those events telling about the horrible things those gangs have done.People left their homes and ran away all the way to Ankara on foot,did you know that?When things were really out of control Ottoman Sultan ordered that the Armenians should be moved to another place until the war is over.After the war they would return there.There are real documents of those orders and none of them says kill all the armenians.You should also think about that.The soldiers that guarded those Armenians were the same people whom their all family was murdered by gangs.You can't expect a nice ride do you?And about Armenians starving,everybody was starving,There is a document about What Turkish soldiers ate during the war and let me say it is horrible,mostly they only had one meal a day composed of bread,water and some cold soup.

[Arto]

The issue is Armenians formed small renegade groups with help from russians in hope for their free armenian land.They declared war by attacking Ottoman soldiers,villages,people.And mostly people could not defend themselves because all the young,strong men were in the army during that time.

Didn't the villagers have their own guns?

After years of struggle with these gangs Turks and Kurds alike formed their own bands to counter those atrocities.There are still live eye victims of those events telling about the horrible things those gangs have done.

Could easily be said of the Turks and Kurds.

People left their homes and ran away all the way to Ankara on foot,did you know that?When things were really out of control Ottoman Sultan ordered that the Armenians should be moved to another place until the war is over.

Permanent removement

After the war they would return there.

Guess the Sultan was wrong...

There are real documents of those orders and none of them says kill all the armenians.

You're right. He (basically) said ''Let's deport them out of our capital and bring them into and unknown location where they won't bother us, leaving them to their fate.''

You should also think about that. The soldiers that guarded those Armenians were the same people whom their all family was murdered by gangs.You can't expect a nice ride do you?.

How do you know that? I guess the majority of the Turks lived in the west of the Empire since the east had a weaker fertility.

And about Armenians starving,everybody was starving

They majority of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were starving but I couldn't say the same about the Turks.

,There is a document about What Turkish soldiers ate during the war and let me say it is horrible,mostly they only had one meal a day composed of bread,water and some cold soup.

Like this battle.

Bad equipment + Bad leadership = Disaster

R.I.P. for the participants of both sides (except for Enver).

[cenkiss]

What could those poor villagers do when bands of armed brigands(yes,they were) attack their village?Who would defend the village?A pregnant young woman,an old imam,young children,old women?That was pretty much the population there.Young men were taken to the army leaving villages defendless against armenian brigands.And what did you expect Those kurds and turks to do?Watch their villages burned everyday,innocennts being killed.They rightfully took up arms against brigands.If the world war was won by Turks Armenians would surely be returned.Hell,Armenians were the most loved minority before those gangs.If the sultan wanted to kill armenians he could do it just there.But he decided on deporting them to relativly peaceful place away from war.Armenian bands were even attacking armenian villages if they did not want to support them.Movement was never thought to be permenant.

[awalanche]

So who committed genocide, the dinosaurs?

No one did, it was a massacre remember that Armenian gangs also killed Turks.

[PointOfViewGun]

Didn't the villagers have their own guns?
Could easily be said of the Turks and Kurds.
Permanent removement.
Guess the Sultan was wrong... You're right. He (basically) said ''Let's deport them out of our capital and bring them into and unknown location where they won't bother us, leaving them to their fate.''
How do you know that? I guess the majority of the Turks lived in the west of the Empire since the east had a weaker fertility.
They majority of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were starving but I couldn't say the same about the Turks.

It was not permanent and some did return. Arto you do know Turkish. Check the link I gave a few posts ago. You should be able to come up with a similar source to back up your claim instead of what you heard here and there.

They were not deported to deserts but places in the south that was rich and able to sustain more population as Crimson pointed out.

You're saying that Turks did not starve? How can you say this? Such an absurd and unfortunate comment.

Turkey should not be allowed in the EU unil it takes responsibility for the genocide AND sorts out the Cyprus dispute.

I agree, the Cyprus dispute is massively important, I don't understand why so few people are aware of it.

Why do Turkey has to carry the whole weight of the Cyprus issue? Why didn't EU put Cyrpus dispute as a precondition for Greece and Souther Cyprus? Get real.

[Arto]

You're saying that Turks did not starve? How can you say this? Such an absurd and unfortunate comment.

I said the majority of the Turks didn't starve.

[PointOfViewGun]

I said the majority of the Turks didn't starve.

2 million Turks died. Of course conditions were much better in the West but whole Ottoman Empire was suffering from famine.

Please check the link and try to back your argument with such proofs.

[sephodwyrm]

Turkish troops were thrown to Canakale without decent food and weapons. Soldiers were sent to the Caucasus without shoes. And you have someone telling us that majority of Turks didn't starve...

As I have predicted, people that support the Armenian Genocide will also diminish Turkish suffering. As if the Turks aren't human~

[cenkiss]

You keep talking like someday ottoman sultan come with an idea from nowhere saying hey dude lets just kill all the armenians in our borders.And lets do it in syria,that is cooler,because we can't kill them here.

[Pickle_mole]

The Turks were very busy killing people and moving them in this time, just look at what they did to the Greeks AND the Armenians. Wheres the Turkish Sultan to deny these things?

[PointOfViewGun]

The Turks were very busy killing people and moving them in this time, just look at what they did to the Greeks AND the Armenians. Wheres the Turkish Sultan to deny these things?

Prove it! Give me a single original document that proves what you claim. Or you are really what you show to people, a pathetic racist that this forum have been ignoring for so long.

[dogukan]

The Turks were very busy killing people and moving them in this time, just look at what they did to the Greeks AND the Armenians. Wheres the Turkish Sultan to deny these things?

Apart from the BS yoU're talking, that guy "Turkish Sultan" is Pakistani....just so you know.

[awalanche]

The Turks were very busy killing people and moving them in this time, just look at what they did to the Greeks AND the Armenians. Wheres the Turkish Sultan to deny these things?

What about Turks killed by Armenian gangs and what about the Turks killed by Greeks during Greek occupation ıf Western Anatolia

What about the diplomats killed by ASALA (Armenian Terrorist Group) during 1980's

Some Greeks admit that during Greek occupation many Turks were killed.

But most Armenians denied the actions of gangs and ASALA, most of them are too one sided as you are

[Applesmack]

What about Turks killed by Armenian gangs and what about the Turks killed by Greeks during Greek occupation ıf Western Anatolia

What about the diplomats killed by ASALA (Armenian Terrorist Group) during 1980's

Some Greeks admit that during Greek occupation many Turks were killed.

But most Armenians denied the actions of gangs and ASALA, most of them are too one sided as you are

What about those Germans that were killed in Nazi Germany? Furthermore, Turkey used this ASALA "terrorist" group to wipe out opposition and convict people on baseless charges. Can't wait until Obama fully accepts the Armenian genocide.