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    Ah The Devil Wears Prada! Saw these guys back in October, the best band I have seen live aside from Slipknot, and Mike, The Singer, is the nicest guy ever, he gave me a hug hahah! But I have a question,

    Why should Metalcore and Hardcore be less respected than any other genre? You call The Devil Wears Prada or any other Metalcore band 'juvenile', yet TDWP are all christians, all over the age of twenty, they dont sing about killing people and raping dead bodies like many other metal bands out there, they sing about life, their problems, god, what is happening in the world and what is true to them. The only difference I see to the bands the majority of you listen to are the fact that they are a lot heavier, and scream. But I don't even think it's the screaming and heavy part, as I see a lot of you are posting Lamb Of God and Meshuggah songs etc. Maybe it's because of the image that the term Metalcore brings along with it? Maybe something like this? (PS, Im going to use a lot of words that may seem contradictory, but to clarify when I say 'Sc3ne' I mean the bad Metalcore, and When I say 'Scene' I mean other bands, music venues, people etc. Also, when I say 'Hardcore' that means the whole 'core' genre overall, and when I say Metalcore I mean that specifically.

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    That band is Design The Skyline. That is my most hated band of all time. Before I go on Ill explain to you the two types of Metalcore.
    The first one I will explain to you is the 'sc3ne' side of Metalcore. Sc3ne is the side that contains bands that wish to get nothing more than drugs, money and girls from their music, which normally results in their music sounding generic (chug, little riff, chug, little riff) and boring. Sc3ne is mostly comprised of bands such as:
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    Asking Alexandria (probably one of the biggest sc3ne bands on the planet) Make Me Famous (these guys are the biggest douchebags in the entire hardcore scene) Blood On The Dancefloor
    Brokencyde Capture The Crown (These guys have never played a single show and have three songs released and have accumulated over 2 million views on youtube, because they sound EXACTLY like Asking Alexandria, plus they are Australian, and they are quickly ruining The Hardcore music scene in Australia) Escape The Fate Falling in Reverse. (theres so many more bands like this but too many, these are some of the most popular).


    Now you're probably going to say "But Evile, There's a reason theyre so popular!" Well yes, there is! Because The majority of what they sing about is how sad they are, how much they want to kill themselves, how much they like to take drugs, how much they like to drink, how much they like to have sex, etc. All fairly conflicting right? Because they know that what the majority of young teenagers (12 - 15) will think that it is 'heaps c00l' and start to listen to it to show other people how much they 'd0nt giv3 A ' and how 'rebel' they are. And they mostly look like this:
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    HERES THE FLIP OVER

    This is the good side of Metalcore. This is the side that sing about things that actually mean something to them, their beliefs, their families, their relationships and yes, sometimes how sad they are, the difference being that they mean it. Some examples of good metalcore are:
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    The Devil Wears Prada Of Mice And Men (this song is about Austin's, the screamers, mother who died of Marfan Syndrome when he was 16, which he also almost died of, he was an alcoholic for a long time after that, and was one of the biggest douchebags in music for a time, but quickly turned his life around and is now considered the nicest and most genuine person in Metalcore) Northlane (From Sydney, seen them over 5 times now, really great people to talk to) The Bride (Also from Sydney, note the guitarists Mullet, making him the antithesis of all things sc3ne)
    Dream On, Dreamer (From Melbourne, really nice guys also, met the drummer, screamer and guitarist on the streets of Adelaide about an hour before I saw TDWP, they are currently touring the US for the second time in 4 months, my band is also going to record with Callan, the guitarist)
    Miss May I (American, video is also based on the American Civil War, which may interest the majority of you) Architects (this song is about the 2011 London Riots)


    Those are some of the many good bands.

    And I know what you're probably going to say "No such thing as good Metalcore lol"
    Thats fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, Im not asking you to like the good bands, im asking you to respect them, im asking you to hate the sc3ne bands, not to tolerate them, they are the ones who give metalcore a bad name. And before you think im someone who defends metalcore whenever I can, thats not true. This is the first time I have done this over the internet, and I thought that on a forum of (mainly) mature adults I might have a chance of getting it through. Look at my name and profile picture, Evile and Tyler, The Creator. I grew up listening to Thrash Metal and Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and all of those bands, name a band and I probably like them or at least respect them. I don't like Justin Bieber, but I respect him, he has spent his whole life focusing solely on music and because of that he made it at the age of 16, and was almost instantly a millionaire. And thats what almost every single Metal band does, including Metalcore. Guys in Metalcore bands (apart from the sc3ne ones) know they are almost certain to never make millions, they throw away career paths, I know guys who have even had to live on the streets for months at a time, they do all of this to make music they love and they think others will love too, so if not for anything else respect them for that.

    And I would do this for any genre that has a bad side and a good side to it, rap, pop, you name it, because I listen to almost everything and enjoy almost everything.

    Take that for what it's worth or flame me, I don't really care, but that's what i have to say

    Now if you don't mind, I believe I've earned the right to continue with my Satsuma campaign with all that typing done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evile View Post
    Ah The Devil Wears Prada! Saw these guys back in October, the best band I have seen live aside from Slipknot, and Mike, The Singer, is the nicest guy ever, he gave me a hug hahah!
    They really are something special, they're like no other band out there in my opinion.

    Why should Metalcore and Hardcore be less respected than any other genre? You call The Devil Wears Prada or any other Metalcore band 'juvenile', yet TDWP are all christians, all over the age of twenty, they dont sing about killing people and raping dead bodies like many other metal bands out there, they sing about life, their problems, god, what is happening in the world and what is true to them.
    I am personally a huge fan of the better metalcore bands. Broadly speaking though, unfortunately. metalcore is juvenile. As is deathcore. It's mostly kids stuff. But you are right of course, there are plenty of diamonds in the rough. TWDP being one.

    The most important thing about a band of this genre is the message, that's really what gives them/denies them credibility. All those scene bands you mentioned, as you said, sing about rubbish. And unfortunately, they are not in the minority. So, like other genres that are saturated with commercial, plastic acts, (Currently pop, deathcore, dupstep, possibly more) metalcore as a whole will be considered by me, and most of the metal community, to be juvenile. There will come a time when secene bands aren't all the rage anymore and we'll only have good bands left, hopefully.

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    Come to think of it, yes it is definitely considered juvenile, but I think thats more because most of the listeners are 13 year olds who like it because they scream and it's br00tal, and who always walk around high school listening to it on their little iphones that their daddy bought them.

    Musically I don't see a reason it would be considered juvenile, a lot of metalcore is not much different from Lamb Of God, although LOG are more groove metal than anything.
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    @Evile I agree with you on that split , not just metalcore but all "genres " of music have their "baddies " and "goodies " , i personally don't like the both sides of metalcore , but for different reasons . The scene thing is obvious , but i dislike the other "side" because it's simply not my cup of tea .
    Also i hate any kind of "fashion " style in music , like when band just because it's metalcore has to dress like bunch of a pussies or a thrash band has to dress with leather jackets etc . So when i see a band i think "Oh this guys dress first , play music later , they are not worth of a listen " .

    Now i have to address this specially
    The only difference I see to the bands the majority of you listen to are the fact that they are a lot heavier, and scream. But I don't even think it's the screaming and heavy part, as I see a lot of you are posting Lamb Of God and Meshuggah songs etc. Maybe it's because of the image that the term Metalcore brings along with it
    I agree it has to do with image , yet most of people here listen to 1 or 2 metalcore bands , and i posted here a lot of 'un heavy " bands like Paradise Lost or Rhapsody Of fire , so personally for me there isn't one pattern of music i like and i believe it's similar with other people visiting this thread .

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    This isn't meant to be a bash-fest, or anything. I'm just telling it from my perspective.

    I'm not really into metalcore, mallcore, fashioncore - whateveryawannacallitcore. Is it loud? Yea, sure. But, it's just not my thing. I can't stand the overkill on the breakdowns - where they become more important than the song as a whole.

    A lot of the scenester kids who listen to it tend to be rather annoying, too. When they see my friends and I with our patched jackets and jeans and studs, they get the urge to try and impress us with their favorite bands. We tell them that we're not really into metalcore, but they keep on trying; desperate to get our approval. I don't understand why they feel the need to get our approval. They do their thing, and we do ours. I work and exercise with a kid who's into Asking Alexandria and all those bands, and he's cool . I'll hear him play his music on his radio when he's working, but he's never saying "Aw, dude, just give them a shot! I'm telling you man, these guys are different than the last band!" He listens to his music, and I listen to mine. Simple as that.

    I know I posted a song by these guys last time, but I've been listening to these guys every day at the gym for the past 3 months. I've got them stuck in my head! God, I love D-Beat.




    Oh yea, their latest effort, "Damned", just came out on the 24th. Unfortunately, the LP version isn't available in the states. But, I know people. I WILL have that LP.

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    Metalcore was fun when I was younger, but I consider it to be merely a stage like nu metal. It's pretty much how I got into metal in the first place, so I don't hate it, but I don't actually enjoy the music anymore.

    Not to mention how annoying most fans of metalcore are. -___-

    Anyway Iron Maiden is touring soon and I plan on seeing hem on June 29th. I missed out on Judas Priest last summer, so there's no way in hell I'm missing Maiden this summer.

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    My all time favourite folk metal band.
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    And people, people.. Can't we all just get along? I listen to metalcore too, but that doesn't mean I'm a douchebag or something.

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    My all time favourite folk metal band.
    Ensiferum is miles away from most of folk bands , they actually have balls .

    I listen to metalcore too, but that doesn't mean I'm a douchebag or something.
    That's kinda the point of our talk .

    I for example like Born From Osiris and Veil Of Maya , which are prog metalcore or something .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey I of Leuven View Post
    And people, people.. Can't we all just get along? I listen to metalcore too, but that doesn't mean I'm a douchebag or something.
    We are all getting along. I thought it was a rather insightful discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mag Shamhrįin View Post
    Anyway Iron Maiden is touring soon and I plan on seeing hem on June 29th. I missed out on Judas Priest last summer, so there's no way in hell I'm missing Maiden this summer.
    Yea, I had to miss Priest as well. KK's departure kind of made me hesitant to buy my tickets. He was always my favorite member of the band. When I finally decided that I should go because it was (supposedly) their last tour, the tickets for all of the nearby gigs were sold out... I was crushed...

    Maiden's playing in Boston on June 20th, so there's no way in hell my friends and I are missing that!

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    Im gonna watch either Destruction or Sabaton, which one do you guys think I should go to? either way I will go see maiden when they come around.



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    Wow... That's gotta be one of the better songs I've heard from them in a while... Definitely gonna have to pick that up!

    Here's a slower number, but a good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxdude View Post
    Im gonna watch either Destruction or Sabaton, which one do you guys think I should go to? either way I will go see maiden when they come around.
    Destruction is by a mile a better choice
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    Just saw them, my ear still hurts. It was pertty down and dirty, they were like 4 meters away. It was ing awesome.



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    Just saw them, my ear still hurts. It was pertty down and dirty, they were like 4 meters away. It was ing awesome.
    Sabaton or Destruction ?

    I will maybe see Exodus this summer .

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    Destruction, Sabaton is like next month maybe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by saxdude View Post
    Destruction, Sabaton is like next month maybe.
    Sabaton can put up quite the show.

    I'm having a Deathcore revisit.

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