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    May 12, 1:48 AM (ET)

    By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS

    BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Suicide bombers ripped through a crowded market and a line of security force recruits Wednesday as a wave of explosions and gunfire across Iraq killed at least 69 people - pushing the death toll from insurgent violence to more than 400 in less than two weeks.

    The bloody attacks, which also wounded 160 people, came despite a major U.S. offensive targeting followers of Iraq's most-wanted terrorist near the Syrian border, a remote desert region believed to be a staging ground for some of the insurgents' deadliest assaults.

    The day's events underscored how intense the fight for Iraq's future has become in the scant three months since Iraqis voted in the country's first democratic elections and more than two years since the United States declared the end of major combat.

    Insurgents averaged about 70 attacks a day at the start of May, up from 30-40 in February and March, said Lt. Col. Steven Boylan, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq.

    On Thursday, suspected insurgents killed Brig. Gen. Iyad Imad Mahdi in the Jihad neighborhood of western Baghdad as he drove to work at the Ministry of Defense in Baghdad, police said. The attackers opened fire from two cars.

    In Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad, a suicide car bomb exploded in a small market near a police station, killing at least 33 people and injuring 92, police and hospital officials said. The attacker swerved into a crowd of day laborers waiting to be picked up for work at construction sites after heavy security prevented the vehicle from reaching the station, police said.

    Associated Press Television News footage showed charred and mutilated bodies piled up at the Tikrit General Hospital morgue. As yet another body arrived, a man with bloodied trousers sank to the floor and sobbed.

    The attack came despite a new regulation barring anyone from driving alone in Tikrit. The rule, announced by local police and officials after a suicide car bombing last week, was designed to make it easier for security forces to spot suicide attackers, who generally act alone.

    It was not immediately clear why it did not help prevent Wednesday's attack. The rule may not have been firmly enforced, or the 7:15 a.m. attack may have happened so early that police were not prepared for it.

    The Sunni militant Ansar al-Sunnah Army claimed responsibility for the attack in a posting on its Web site Wednesday. But it differed in the details, denying the attack was carried out by a suicide bomber and saying it was aimed at Iraqis who work in the U.S. base in Tikrit. The claim of responsibility could not be verified.

    About 90 minutes later, in Hawija, a town 150 miles north of Baghdad, a man with hidden explosives slipped past security guards at a police and army recruitment center and blew himself up outside the building where applicants were lined up. At least 30 people were killed and 35 injured, police said.

    "I was standing near the center and all of a sudden it turned into a scene of dead bodies and pools of blood," police Sgt. Khalaf Abbas said by telephone from the site. "Windows were blown out in nearby houses, leaving the street covered with glass."

    Four more car bombs exploded in Baghdad, including one that wounded three U.S. soldiers, the U.S. military said. In the other three, four Iraqis were killed and 14 wounded, including at least three policemen, Iraqi police said.

    In western Baghdad, gunmen clashed with a police patrol on a highway, killing one officer and wounding another.

    Another bomb exploded at Iraq's largest fertilizer plant in the southern city of Basra, killing one person and wounding 23, police and employees said. The blast set fire to a gas pipeline and destroyed about 60 percent of the plant.

    President Jalal Talabani, on his first foreign trip as head of state, appealed to South American nations to support his country's efforts to defeat its insurgency.

    "Terrorism is not limited to Iraq, it is a global curse," Talabani told heads of state and ministers in Brazil for the first summit of South American and Arab countries.

    The latest violence came as hundreds of American troops in tanks and light armored vehicles rolled through desert outposts along the Euphrates River in search of followers of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

    Operation Matador was launched after U.S. intelligence showed insurgents had moved into the northern Jazirah Desert after losses in the cities of Fallujah and Ramadi.

    U.S. military spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Pool said the region is used as staging area for foreign fighters who cross into Iraq from Syria along ancient smuggling routes known as "rat lines".

    "It is here that these foreign fighters receive the weapons and equipment to conduct attacks, such as suicide car bombs and assassination or kidnapping of political or civilian targets," Pool said in a statement.

    The presence of foreign fighters has been confirmed by detainees captured during the operation, he said.

    As many as 100 insurgents were killed in the first 48 hours of the offensive when U.S. forces clashed with well-organized and well-equipped fighters in Obeidi, 200 miles west of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

    At least three Marines were reported killed and 20 wounded in the offensive - one of the biggest U.S. operations since Fallujah was taken from militants six months ago.

    A woman and a child were killed Tuesday at a U.S. checkpoint southeast of Obeidi, the military said. Pool said Marines fired at their vehicle after it ignored repeated warnings to stop. The driver jumped out of the moving car but was caught and held for questioning, Pool said. The Marines believed the vehicle was a suicide car bomb, the statement said.

    Qaim, where the offensive began late Saturday, was calm Wednesday and a few shops opened, according to residents reached by telephone. Few people ventured into the streets, apart from families who piled their belongings into cars and fled to safety.

    Overwhelmed doctors at a local clinic took over a neighboring house to cope with the casualties, said Abu Omar al-Ani, who lives in Qaim. Fighting continued not far away.

    "We hear echoes of shells and sporadic gunfire," said al-Ani.

    East of Husaybah, another border town, Marine AH-1W Super Cobra helicopters shot and killed three armed men seen digging holes for explosives in a road Tuesday, Pool said. Late that night, in the same town, Marines shot and killed another four insurgents armed with AK-47 automatic rifles, he said.

    The brother of kidnapped provincial Gov. Raja Nawaf Farhan al-Mahalawi told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the kidnappers were offering to release the governor in exchange for three al-Zarqawi followers captured by U.S. forces in Qaim. The U.S. military said it does not negotiate with terrorists.

    Also Wednesday, a security firm said an eyewitness reported that a Japanese worker taken hostage in Iraq may have suffered fatal wounds. The international security company Hart said in a statement on its Web site that it has not given up hope that Akihito Saito, 44, may be alive.

    There was also no word on the fate of another hostage, Australian national Douglas Wood. Militants who kidnapped the 63-year-old California resident released a video Friday demanding that Australia start pulling its troops out of Iraq within 72 hours.

    The deadline ended Monday, but Australia's top Islamic leader Sheik Taj El Din Al Hilaly, who met with senior Muslim clerics in the war torn country, said the deadline had been extended until Thursday.

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    Insurgiant attacks are getting more and more frequent and the death toll is rising dramatically. The problem in Iraq is becoming worse. How would this play with the current shortage of manpower? As the problem in Iraq are esculating, the need for soldiers rises. As there arent enough to keep control. With 69 people dead in one day, today, and 400 this week, the problem is too big to shrug off as another simple insurgiancy attack. Its becoming more and more a drastic problem that we seem to not be able to quell. As it is getting worse, not better.

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    The word "quagmire" does seem more and more to describe the American operation in Iraq, but it's an unavoidable one at this point. :mellow

    Unfortunately we're not facing opponents with limited goals and reach as we did against the nationalist opponent in Vietnam, or the local thugs in Somalia - the consequences of withdrawal from Iraq are not limited to wounded national pride and bitter mourning of the fallen. The enemy is a super-national conspiracy whose hand can only be strengthened if we leave Iraq without assuring the survival of the new government.


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    Originally posted by RexRomulus@May 12 2005, 03:44 AM
    The enemy is a super-national conspiracy whose hand can only be strengthened if we leave Iraq without assuring the survival of the new government.
    What?
    No the "enemy" (at least in Iraq) is a Sunni minority that wants to ignite a civil war, to regain their power and influence. Why do you think they are targeting civilian shias and kurds?

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    In Greece we have a saying "the way you made your bed, is the way you'll sleep". The human cost paid mostly by Iraqi citizens, and the political cost paid mostly by the members of the coalition of the willing. But all this was laid ahead from the actions of the US goverment during the Iran-Iraq war, and the first gulf war. And AFAIK dr. Frankenstein did not have a happy ending with the monster he created...

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    No the "enemy" (at least in Iraq) is a Sunni minority that wants to ignite a civil war, to regain their power and influence.
    Your enemy is the whole Iraqi nation, because if they all dont attack that doesent mean that they like you,some just cant for some reasons,but i think most of them hate USA . And their goal is not killing all civilians , no they just want to engage USA in a bloody conflict,even if it means deaths on cilvilians side.After all , Iraq now is not so safe as it used to be with Hussein and people of iraq have all rights to blame the American "freedom bringers" and the Bush's goverment for it .
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    Moslems Killing Moslems Is Not a Winning Tactic
    by James Dunnigan
    May 3, 2005

    Over a thousand people were killed in terrorist attacks last year. The major attacks were the Chechen massacre at a school in Russia, that killed 330, and the Madrid train bombings. There were 45 attacks in Israel, up from 19 the year before. But the Israelis also managed to shut down terrorist operations by the end of the year. In Russia, the Chechen terrorists lost several leaders and, more importantly, the support of many Chechens. The murder of so many children turned out to be a public relations disaster for the Chechen terrorists. Public opinion was already turning against them in Chechnya, mainly because of their inability to get the Russians out. More Chechens were switching allegiance to the pro-Russian Chechen government anyway, and the school massacre just speeded up the process.

    After the Madrid bombing, the Spanish police arrested hundreds of suspected terrorists they had been watching. Many of these turned out, on closer inspection, to have been very much involved in planning and carrying out terrorist operations. There are still a few Islamic terrorists in Spain, but they cannot operate as freely as they did before the March, 2004, attack.

    Afghanistan saw an increase in terrorist attacks in 2004, with 27 major incidents (where people got killed.) But by the end of the year, most of the Taliban groups were ready to make peace with the government, and were not getting along with the local al Qaeda at all. Moreover, the majority of Afghans were down on al Qaeda, turning them in at every opportunity. Many attacks were thus thwarted.

    Pakistan saw a decline in al Qaeda activity. The many Islamic radicals in the country are more interested in killing Pakistani Shias and Christians, or non-Moslems in Kashmir. With the police after them, and most of the population against them, al Qaeda is having a hard time in Pakistan. Even Kashmir has seen a decline in activity, mainly because the border with Pakistan is now much harder for the Islamic terrorists to get across.

    Iraq remained the center of the war on terror, with most of the attacks being directed at Iraqis. This turned the population, including many Sunni Arabs, against the terrorists. While there were still plenty of volunteers for suicide bombings, and plenty of cash and explosives handy to pay for it, the al Qaeda campaign in Iraq had become a losing proposition. Even outside of Iraq, many Sunni Arabs were getting disenchanted with al Qaeda terrorism. In a war of symbols, blowing up Moslem women and children is not a winning tactic.

    Another major difference between 2003 and 2004, was the shifting of al Qaeda support from people in Moslem countries to expatriate Moslems in Europe. Many al Qaeda members had fled their native countries, because of the increasingly hostile atmosphere, for the relative sanctuary of Europe. Going into 2005, al Qaeda is dying in Iraq and plotting in Europe.
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    Originally posted by Spetsnaz@May 12 2005, 11:23 AM
    Your enemy is the whole Iraqi nation, because if they all dont attack that doesent mean that they like you,some just cant for some reasons,but i think most of them hate USA . And their goal is not killing all civilians , no they just want to engage USA in a bloody conflict,even if it means deaths on cilvilians side.
    Look at the attacks most are against MARKET PLACES and other civilian areas. A few weeks ago wasnt there an attack on a shia mosque? Do you honestly think those are aimed at killing US soldiers? No, they know we will be gone sooner or later these are idiotic conspiracy theorists that think we are going to annex Iraq and make it part of North Carolina, this are politically motivated groups that want to seize power in Iraq, the best way to focus on the traditional enemies (ie the Shia and the Kurds).

    Seriously dude, look at the reports and stop believing the crap that the media pundits are shovelling.

    (oh and assuming you are Russian, I dont think you have much place to talk *cough*Chechnya*cough*cough*)

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    hormiga, there are 2 wars fought in Iraq right now. One is interethnic which is responsible for most "senseless" strikes.
    Another is fought against the occupiers and traitors (aiding and working for occupying force is clear definition of traitor in most of the world). These two are too intertwined to make clear difference when it is one or another, or it can be both at the same time. Blow up US (or collaborator) patrol and give some sorrow to opposing ethnic group as well.


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    Originally posted by Tiwaz@May 12 2005, 04:41 PM
    hormiga, there are 2 wars fought in Iraq right now. One is interethnic which is responsible for most "senseless" strikes.
    Another is fought against the occupiers and traitors (aiding and working for occupying force is clear definition of traitor in most of the world). These two are too intertwined to make clear difference when it is one or another, or it can be both at the same time. Blow up US (or collaborator) patrol and give some sorrow to opposing ethnic group as well.
    If that is really the case then the situation must be getting better.

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    oh and assuming you are Russian, I dont think you have much place to talk *cough*Chechnya*cough*cough
    Heh, Chechnya was always beside our country, and after an idiot Yeltsin granted their independance, he wanted to take it away from them later.All we said when the war began, that we will retake chechnya,we didnt say that their is nuclear weapons,Bin Laden , or something else as your goverment did.
    Look at the attacks most are against MARKET PLACES and other civilian areas. A few weeks ago wasnt there an attack on a shia mosque
    Oh come on, they are trying to make you leave their country,or do you think that you are welcomed visitors there?
    Seriously dude, look at the reports and stop believing the crap that the media pundits are shovelling
    Seriously dude,
    stop listening to Bush's propoganda , war in Iraq was for natural resourses and territory,also for power in the east , and military bases to attack Iran or Sirya,not for freeing poor iraqis.
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    Wow I didn't know it was for natural resoures. My gas prices keep riseing so I guess that uninformed arguement is out the window. Next we dont need bases there to attack iran or syria. We have places in afganastan which boarders iran on the east, or did you not know that. Syria would be too easy. We could get them from the sea or through jordan, turkey. So theres another arguement down. The thing with our gov. lieing about wmds. Your gov said Iraq had them due to your gov selling them to Iraq. If you want to talk about propoganda..... then maybe you should look at your post cause its filled with the propoganda the oppoents to the war put out.

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    There will always be more insurgent attacks until all of them are destroyed. Even when the situation is deemed resovled over there more attacks will take place. No one ever said that the war would go easy. The initial attack was the easy part, keeping a war torn country together is the hard part. Just stick to the plan and we'll all see how it will come out. Besides, attacks aren't the only things that are being done in Iraq. Good things are happening. However the news wants news that people will watch. At the end of the day you will remember that a lot of people died, not that a school was opened.

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    Wow I didn't know it was for natural resoures. My gas prices keep riseing so I guess that uninformed arguement is out the window.
    lol. who said that it was about "your gas prices"? Take a look at the oil company profits and you will figure it out...

    Syria would be too easy. We could get them from the sea or through jordan, turkey.
    Right. as you got Iraq through Turkey heh?

    I'm afraid I have to agree that at least Soviet Union or Russia never cared to much about the pretext in an aggressive action since there was usually no political cost to pay...

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    Originally posted by Clearchus+May 12 2005, 11:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td> (Clearchus @ May 12 2005, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tiwaz@May 12 2005, 04:41 PM
    hormiga, there are 2 wars fought in Iraq right now. One is interethnic which is responsible for most "senseless" strikes.
    Another is fought against the occupiers and traitors (aiding and working for occupying force is clear definition of traitor in most of the world). These two are too intertwined to make clear difference when it is one or another, or it can be both at the same time. Blow up US (or collaborator) patrol and give some sorrow to opposing ethnic group as well.
    If that is really the case then the situation must be getting better. [/b][/quote]
    True. The iraqi sunnis and shias are slowly finding unifying factor. Desire to kill occupiers. Though that process is slowed by attacks based on ethnicity.


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    Originally posted by Spetsnaz+May 12 2005, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td> (Spetsnaz &#064; May 12 2005, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Seriously dude,
    stop listening to Bush&#39;s propoganda , war in Iraq was for natural resourses and territory,also for power in the east , and military bases to attack Iran or Sirya,not for freeing poor iraqis. [/b]

    LOL, yeah we are making a huge profit there&#33; Yeah we want bases to attack Iran and Syria too&#33;&#33;&#33; Better watch out we might invade russia next to free those poor Chechyians&#33;

    :rolleyes
    Come, on you can come up with some better conspiracy theories.... but keep using your selective vision to only see the attacks against US troops and not the massive casualties being inflicted on the Kurds and shia. Your Russia government is still mad because they were in bed with Saddam, so I guess you havea right to still be angry.

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    True. The iraqi sunnis and shias are slowly finding unifying factor. Desire to kill occupiers. Though that process is slowed by attacks based on ethnicity.[/quote]
    BAGHDAD, IraqTwo car bombs exploded in the northern city of Kirkuk on Thursday, including one targeting a Shiite mosque, and two people were killed and four wounded, police said
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1115867638588

    Yeah those devious Shias are BOMBING THEMSELVES to fool the world into thinking it is the Sunnis trying to kill them when really they are united (LMAO&#33 with the Sunnis&#33; Thanks for pointing that out Sherlock, they sure had me fooled&#33;

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    The situation in iraq isnt getting worse its getting better
    Why?:

    More death toll due to insurgence means they are running low on resources and have to make every attack count, hence the reason they going after civilians now

    USA is getting closer and closer to taking out Al Zarqowi (sp) so of course they gonna do what they could before :wub: goes downhill
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    Folks, it&#39;s irrefuteable the relation between gas, and oil to the situation in Iraq. Perhaps alternative transportation is a route to avoid such atrocoties for oil. Community moibility, car-sharing, electric vehicles. These are all a step in the right direction.

    It makes me sick when I see Humvees driving around. Those people should be drafted into manditory war service for two years.

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    Originally posted by Garbarsardar@May 12 2005, 10:15 AM
    In Greece we have a saying "the way you made your bed, is the way you&#39;ll sleep". The human cost paid mostly by Iraqi citizens, and the political cost paid mostly by the members of the coalition of the willing. But all this was laid ahead from the actions of the US goverment during the Iran-Iraq war, and the first gulf war. And AFAIK dr. Frankenstein did not have a happy ending with the monster he created...
    So what about all the other countries that were involved in those wars? You do remember that the UN went to Iraq and not just the USA, right?
    lol. who said that it was about "your gas prices"? Take a look at the oil company profits and you will figure it out...
    Oil company profits? My dad works for an oil company but they don&#39;t even deal with oil from Saudi Arabia or any Middle Eastern country for that matter. I fail to see how oil company profits are a direct cause from the war in Iraq. As has been said many many times before, if the war was about oil where is it? I don&#39;t see any reports of the USA stealing oil from Iraq and taking profit from it. Arguments that the USA went in for just oil is, well, as clear as oil.

    Notice consumption levels don&#39;t change much.
    Prior to the toppling of Iraq&#39;s Ba&#39;athist regime, Iraq reportedly had negotiated several multi-billion dollar deals with foreign oil companies mainly from China, France, and Russia.

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    *BAH*The war was for oil*BAH* The war was for oil*BAH*Bush is bad*BAH*Michael Moore is god*BAH*The war was for oil*BAH*

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    I take it as a sign of desperation that they are stepping up attacks. Trying desperately to get the civil war started that have so far failed to do. I could be wrong though. Looking forward to more posts from the America haters.

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