infrnatry hides behind cover

**Wolf78** · April 14, 2009, 03:06 AM

First of all thank you for darthmod it is great and love playing it but...

I could not find if anyone already noticed or adressed the problem but it seems that every time I hide my infrantry behind walls or any obstacles to minimize casualities, they don't fire at all. In the end I get my infrantry shot at and not responding with fire so I have to move them in the open. Is there a way to fix it?

**notger** · April 14, 2009, 03:18 AM

Don't use the built-in hide feature (that extra green icon), rather let them stand behind the wall normally.

**Stoferr** · April 14, 2009, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by notger

Don't use the built-in hide feature (that extra green icon), rather let them stand behind the wall normally.

But will that even work, if you want to have your units in cover?

**naro** · April 14, 2009, 03:56 AM

it protects them from the majority of fire as the bullets are modeled individually and so some are stopped by the wall. It also allow your unit to use any firing drills normally which is better then when hiding properly

**Wolf78** · April 14, 2009, 04:11 AM

So it is a bug in the mod can/will it be fixed?

**♔DARTH LEGO♔** · April 14, 2009, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Stoferr

But will that even work, if you want to have your units in cover?

...seems to be pretty effective, the ai keeps its distance here some things i tried:

in defence: place troops behind the wall and build trenches/picket lines= double defense... again works for me but experiment. to date i have had enemy cavalry think again before charging my lines and inf. only approach en masse and very cautiously

on attack: get your inf. line close to the desired wall and set to guard, this uses the cover as you can clearly seee bullets ricochet on the wall when under attack, it also prevents them from following routing enemy and creating that broken staggered line around the wall. which messes up your firing drills...

on attack or def find walls with foliage or trees around and your troops will auto hide and have added cover.....

**Syntax** · April 14, 2009, 05:52 AM

Yes there seems to be a bug - its not from DarthMod it is in Vanilla already. The cover does not allow the covered unit to fire properly - but on the other hand that is realistic in some way. In my opinion some kind of animation bug, as the troops behind the cover can not handle with that fence - another animation would be needed - according each cover! After all its not a big issue - as in my game DarthMod 1.0 - they do fire! but to a much lower percentage.

**Liu Kang** · April 14, 2009, 06:56 AM

Weird, i havent noticed this issue myself?
Though i have found that they reload slowly (About 2 shots when they could fire three without the wall), aswell as them being less accurate. I still find the "Hide" feature very useful as the casualties sustained is reduced by at least 75%...

However, what is really weird is that when two units hide behind the same wall (Facing each other), they stand up and fire into the air, instead of firing at each other (Weirdest part is that there sitting less then half a meter away...)
The only casualties occuring at this stage is when by luck one of your soldiers and there soldiers stands up and both fire at the same time (In which case they usually both die anyway)...

Though with walls, have any of you had issues with targetting enemy AI who are hiding behind walls? I cant seem to get cavalry to charge them even from there backs, and i cant seem to order the soldiers to shoot em down, i have to make them stand nearby and switch to Fire at Will...

**Scorpius_Brutii** · April 14, 2009, 08:06 AM

I just wish the walls are removed altogether. Nothing ruins a cavalry charge (and alot of fun) when your cavalry has to stop mid-charge so it can gallop over a little fence.

**Herr Shimmler** · April 14, 2009, 10:07 AM

This problem happens after u researc Fire by rank. Before u do that, they fire behind walls with no problems.

**Midknight** · April 14, 2009, 06:03 PM

Ahhhhhhh thats why - makes sense now

**Ftmch** · April 15, 2009, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpius_Brutii

I just wish the walls are removed altogether. Nothing ruins a cavalry charge (and alot of fun) when your cavalry has to stop mid-charge so it can gallop over a little fence.

I think that just adds to the experience, you have to use more tactics, make sure there aren't any fences in the way, and you can also use fences to defend against cavalry more effective yourself, I like it.

**Syntax** · April 15, 2009, 05:32 AM

The initial cover idea itself is very good and looks quite cool, but the path-finding and animation problem is not 100 percent addressed jet and will remain a huge challenge for the programmers of the game. This applies to all the objects on the battlefield, fence, house, rocks, bridges,....The more men a unit has the more it is becoming influenced by this. As already stated some can not fire until the last man joins the group formation and sometimes the soldiers just get stick at this fences and need quite a long time to follow. Or cavalry can't do a proper charge as there a still horses left behind - so the cavalry just go to melee without the charge bonus applying!