native american too strong

[C.A.T]

look i had a battle with the native americans (horton) and they beat me so badly it was sad! but i noticed that they are overpowered it took them 5 sec to rout my brit line infantry(head on charge) i meen 5 SEC!! thats just to powerfull. now i get you want them strong but why not give them less men? i may be bad at this, i have no idea. but thats too much...

i think its their charge that gives them that advantage. but they have 15 melee while my line has only 2?! come on?

[naro]

huh i thought that colonial line inf has 15 def with 4 melee attack and 7 charge and hessian line inf has 12 def, 6 melee attack and 4 charge, so all are able to hold their own when defending 1 on 1 against a native unit. The easiest way i find to fight them off is to pay for a general unit as then you have some strong cavalry to attack the rear of any native units that are engaged with your line inf. With the morale changes in darth mod this tends to start a wave of routs so winning the battle

[Bob the Insane]

Native warriors (specifically native_maerican_warriors) have a attack of 15 with a charge bonus of 5, that would easily overwhelm the defenders stats.

Interesting they have a defense of 1, so you would think they would be taking a lot of casulties to...

And this is the weakest native american melee unit too...

[Angroth]

well ... that tells us what? dont let them charge you, charge them instead...

[Bob the Insane]

Well, you can use Native Auxilleries as they have decent melee stats. You can also bring overwhelming firepower to the battlefield...

What you can't do is charge blindly around the battlefield or you will run into nasty ambushes and get your men slaughtered.

[C.A.T]

well ... that tells us what? dont let them charge you, charge them instead...

look a bit lower or the post above maby?

What you can't do is charge blindly around the battlefield or you will run into nasty ambushes and get your men slaughtered.

Well, you can use Native Auxilleries as they have decent melee stats. You can also bring overwhelming firepower to the battlefield....

look its a bit rare to find heavy fire power in early game, canister does the job but not if you are attacked by to full stacks wich some how are attacking you from two difrrent sides, but hey thats a situation i should'nt got myself in to

btw i may be still drunk from last night but are'nt auxilleries (in western factions) have terrbly bad melee stats?

[Don in the North]

if anything, the natives are too fast.
they can keep pace with running cavalry , and do it everytime you pull them back after charging.

their inspire fear traits and huge charge bonus's should be all they need, they are a devastating melee force but their speed is unnatural and somewhat disconcerting.

[Bob the Insane]

their inspire fear traits and huge charge bonus's should be all they need, they are a devastating melee force but their speed is unnatural and somewhat disconcerting.

I have to agree with that. i certainly don't have a a problem with then crossing terrain quicker than european infantry, but they should not be able to keep pace with cavalry.

The way they can appear from nowhere and chase your cavalry to the edge of the map on foot does look a little creepy...

[Derek_123]

also with the ottoman or Maratha meille troops it is the same thing i tested this against a guard unit they destroyed them and line infantry was even worse they killed maybe 30 out of 200 and i killed 3/4 of their units before they routed in a matter of under 10 seconds

[C.A.T]

yes andeed i found myself testing after one more ugly defeat. i found that its the high charge value given to melee based units. in every battle their charge kills in the first second around 30 of my men doesnt matter how high their def value is.

[Celareon]

Yes, I have been on top of the soapbox for awhile on this one, I've gone in myself and changed all the values for line infantry so that my French line that I took 5 turns to recruit/transport across the sea to subdue North America aren't ripped to shreds in less then 20 seconds by apparently chainsaw-wielding natives.

[Its_you]

you know you could always "screen" your army

[gizmo88]

To add the the screening tip, a thin layer of pike men never hurt anyone either Most of the time , calvary will not charge head on at pike men with their spears lowered. There's no question the Native's are way too overpowered with DarthMod 9.0 and above.