Ancien Regime ETW re-texture ( France, Poland-Lithuania, etc...)

[Kip]

Hey, can I have Polish re-skin without DL-ing RoN?

First post, mate

[33orion77]

hello!

@EmperorBatman999
Kippyk has been kind enough to answer but I would like to add that for the moment, none of my texture are available on Regalia of Nation. Maybe it'll change in the future... but for now, the first post of this thread will gather all the texture I made. For the present, only the british artillery pack is only available through the legopack.

@Didz
Thanks very much for all this info. I'm very fond of history too but some times the artistic side take over the historical side... It's always nice to have a few reminder... as for the british project, it is still at an embryo stage... but if I'm correct, the british uniform of the syw has generally no collar I was wondering if I should use the same uniform pattern ( with few modification ) as my hannoverian Line

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... I'll think some more about it. For the Blues or Royal horseguard, It would be easier for me to do them with closed coats. otherwise If I go SYW for the british I better base all my textures on the SYW but I might have to do some compromise....

now about Freikorps and other similar units like les chasseurs de Fischer. During most of the 18th century, the role and duties of the light infantry were given to the "irregulars". Those irregulars are the FreiKorps for the prussian or the French Volontaires and chasseur de Fischer.

Although the Prussian army was mostly made up of regulars, a large number of volunteers, soldiers of fortune and freebooters were assembled into units by, usually wealthy, soldiers of fortune who offered their services to the Prussian King. These units were known as Freikorps and proved to be of limited value militarily. However, they served as line of communications troops, scouts and, more often than not, harassing forces who put the fear of God into stragglers and the civilian population. Some of these units even changed sides and both Austria and France would employ their own Free corps or Legions.

http://www.uniformology.com/page74/p...25/page25.html
So, that why I class under light infantry as all thoses mercernary troops. Now I agree that the hungarian green jacket should be a kind of special unit ( with rifles )but Prussia still need a light infantry texture and I believe using freikorps or freitruppen is the best choice.

@ littleo
nice site! but if you look here:http://pourpre.com/chroma/dico.php?typ=fiche&ent=roi they say it's the blue you can find on the french flag ... a bit confusing...

otherwise I tuned up the blue I'll call Bleu Royal which is similar to the one one the flag. Now if you look closely you can see at least 3 different blue used in the 18th century French army. A dark blue I'll call Bleu marine (Navy blue) that you can see on the guards for example

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The mid-dark blue Bleu Royal as used on foreign troops

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And you can also see a lighter blue that looks like this Bleu de France

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So I fear there's no easy way... but still progress are made

[Roslolian]

Been missing for a while, but anyways. I'm loving Poland with your textures. Just thought I'd let you know. Currently retook Ukraine and gave it back to Russia, took Crimea and am marching to reclaim Galicia from the remnants of the Crimean forces. I read the last few posts and I'm not sure what you're working on right now. Care to clarify?

[Didz]

now about Freikorps and other similar units like les chasseurs de Fischer. During most of the 18th century, the role and duties of the light infantry were given to the "irregulars". Those irregulars are the FreiKorps for the prussian or the French Volontaires and chasseur de Fischer.http://www.uniformology.com/page74/p...25/page25.html
So, that why I class under light infantry as all thoses mercernary troops. Now I agree that the hungarian green jacket should be a kind of special unit ( with rifles )but Prussia still need a light infantry texture and I believe using freikorps or freitruppen is the best choice.

The point I was trying to make is that the unit you have modelled is not wearing the uniform of the Prussian Light Infantry. Its wearing the uniform of a Friecorps unit called 'De La Noble'sches Freicorps', or to be completely accurate its actually wearing uniform of the Jager Rifle detachment from that Friecorps. the musketeers from this Friecorps wore normal tricornes. The 'De Noble'sches Friecorps' was not in itself a light Infantry formation, it merely happened to have a jager detachment, which wore the uniform depicted, and it would not mormally have fought alongside the Prussian Regular Army, although this particular unit did get involved in a couple of seiges.

Strictly speaking the Prussian Light Infantry ought to have been the sixteen fusilier regiments Nr's 33-49, as they were specifically formed with that purpose in mind and were officered with men recruited for their experience in that sort of warfare. However, apparently Frederick the Great never allowed them to be employed in this role and for the most part the fought as normal infantry, only really adopting their intended role after the reforms of 1808. In these reforms the Fusilier Regiments were merged with the Musketeer Battalions as seperate Fusilier Battalions and provided specialised skirmishing support to the regiment.

However, even then the general Prussian attitude was that skirmishing was the function of every soldier when the need arose to do it, and all regiments were expected to be able to deploy the men from their third rank as a skirmisher line as and when necessary.

The problem as I see it with using the 'De La Noble'sche' jager detachment uniform is that that probably only about 100 men in the entire Prussian Army ever wore it, so it would be a bit weird to have loads of units marching around dressed in green, with lime green facings.

[KLAssurbanipal]

Orion, nice sources

Blue colour are used by Germans especially, but red used by Irish and Swiss line:

French uniforms:

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all uniforms are from this page: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypld...cfm?col_id=206

FRENCH UNIFORMS:

Cavalry (Line, Carabiniers, Cuirassiers, Hussars):













Hussars:



Drummers and Musicans:







Infantry:

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Irish Regiments in French Army, middle 18th century:


Swiss Guard:

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FRANCE, early 18th century:

Here is 'Battle of Denain' (French Marshall Villars and his line infantry):


Cuirassier:


Grenadiers (French foot grenadiers in early 18th century wore hat that same as musketeers):


Officers:


Line Infantry:


Gardes Francaises:


Musican:


Pikeman (only French army in early 18th century used armoured pikemen. Other countries (Russia, Sweden, etc. used pikemen without armour):


Line Cavalry:

Cavalry Officer with trooper:


Horse grenadier:


Dragoon:

Some more:

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[Didz]

@KLA, Nice uniform info. Do you happen to know what the arrangements were for regimental colours in French Regiments?

The Seven Years War Project states that every French Regiment had two colours, the Colonel's Flag and the Ordonnance Flag. However, it does not state which were carried in battle or whether both were, nor does it explain whether they were carried by every battalion or merely the first battalion.

For example the British Regiments also had two colours, the Regimental Colour and the Kings Colour, and both were carried by every battalion of the Regiment. But the French Eagles in Napoleon's army were only carried by the First Battalion of every regiment, so I'm not sure if this was also true of their earlier colours.

I've tried confirming this with google. but not getting much clarification, thought you might know, as you seem to have so much Frencg information.

[33orion77]

Hello all

@ KLA Nice French uniform! The Problem I see now with the French Army is that you could do at least 4 army style depending of the era ( a early army ( spanish succesion war), a seven year war style army, a late bourbon army ( like this)

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and a revolution style army... and for my source it's the mouillard plates those image are the best quality image I could find:http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org.../mouillard.htm
the site is in french but here are the links tho the plates:
French Infantry and artillery(the 47th):http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org...llard_pl01.htm
Foreign Legions:http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org...llard_pl02.htm
French Cavalry:http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org...llard_pl03.htm
Dragoons, Hussars, chasseurs and legions(light troops):http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org...llard_pl04.htm
Gendarmerie and maison du Roi:http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org...llard_pl05.htm
so many choices!

@Didz
Thank you for this nice historical debate! when you just do a re-skin ( or light version mod) is that you are stuck with the vanilla model so I try to do the best compromise acceptable.
So you say the fusiller regiment 33-49 ... a bit like this?:http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...chow_Fusiliers (Now I hesitate to use that source but still...) It shows the have a mitre cap, maybe I could work something out... Thanks for those details

@Roslolian
what I'm working on right now...
Well, actually I take a little from a formal project and just do a few things for fun but, here are my project ideas for now. the Priority has not been established...
- I want to edit Remo's Prussia's texture to give them the accurate Prussian blue and to add a few details to improve historical accuracy. As it goes tho, I see that I that for some unit it might be easier to make new one so this is gonna be a slow project I do for ny own. ( progress: the line is finished, genadier well underway and I was debating with didz the proper choice for prussian light infantry uniform...)
- Now Didz is convincing me slowly to make some british I'm working on the blackwatch at the moment but this project is much in the embryo phase ( I have also made british artillery crew but I don't know if I 'll try to make new ones...)
- Now my most ambitious project is for France. My project is to make this time a a proper French Mod with the proper troops, proper models and proper officers and musician. Honestly, This was my intention from the very start but my poor moding skill have restrited me and I must say I don't have a preference for any european nations, I like them all! Poland, Sweden, Russian, France, UK , Hannover, Spain Autria etc... so I guess that why I do so much different stuff. Now my skills have much improved and I really want to do something nice for France. I think this came along with the release of the danish mod by erasmus777. here a rough draft of the order of battle:

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The Guards:
- Gardes Françaises
- Gardes Suisses
- Chevau-Légers
- Gendarmes
- Mousquetaires du Roi
- Grenadier à cheval

Infantry:
- 3-4 Line infantry Variants
-Vieux/ Petit-vieux
- Pikemen
-Grenadier
- 1 Irish Regiment
- 1 German Regiment
- Royal Ecossais ( using superior line model )
- Compagnie Franche de la marine ( using musician1 model?)
( canadian style uniform)
- Coureur des bois
- Chasseur à pied ( using death head hussar model ?)( instead of tirailleur?)

Cavalry:
-Carabinier
-Chasseur à cheval (light dragoons?)( using death head hussar model ?)
- cuirassiers
- dragoons ( using musician1 model?)
- Line cavalry ?
- Hussars ( using death head hussar model ?)
- Uhlan de Saxe ( or another tartar style lance cavalry

So as said it is just a draft maybe I forgot some maybe I've got too many. Also, there a lot of question mark things that may change and things I'm not sure of... as for additional feature to this mod it would depend of my modding skills... of course this would also mean a light mod which will be in fact Ancien Régime Fance v05. For now, I've been working on my color palette to seek the accurate french and prussian blue. I've also started to work on the Royal-Écossais but is still in early stage.

So as you can see lots of Ideas but honestly I'll only be able to make any true decision before patch 1,3,is out which is in theory monday!!!
we shall see then...

[33orion77]

@KLA, Nice uniform info. Do you happen to know what the arrangements were for regimental colours in French Regiments?

The Seven Years War Project states that every French Regiment had two colours, the Colonel's Flag and the Ordonnance Flag. However, it does not state which were carried in battle or whether both were, nor does it explain whether they were carried by every battalion or merely the first battalion.

For example the British Regiments also had two colours, the Regimental Colour and the Kings Colour, and both were carried by every battalion of the Regiment. But the French Eagles in Napoleon's army were only carried by the First Battalion of every regiment, so I'm not sure if this was also true of their earlier colours.

I've tried confirming this with google. but not getting much clarification, thought you might know, as you seem to have so much Frencg information.

I found this bit of Info in french

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Drapeaux.
Dans le régiment d'infanterie, un seul drapeau était tout blanc : c'était le drapeau colonel et non pas le drapeau royal. Ce qui indiquait la nationalité française, c'était l'écharpe ou cravate blanche qu'on attachait sous le fer de la lance. L'usage de cette cravate fut adopté après la bataille de Fleurus, en 1691. En effet, les drapeaux colonels des Impériaux, des Hollandais, des Anglais, des Espagnols mêmes étaient blancs ; leurs drapeaux d'ordonnance étaient assez semblables pour amener de regrettables erreurs dans le feu de l'action ; alors pour se distinguer, les troupes françaises attachèrent l'écharpe blanche sous la pique. Dans les régiments de cavalerie, il n'y avait que des étendards d’ordonnances, deux par escadrons, portés les jours d'action par le cornette ou un sous-lieutenant ; habituellement par un brigadier. Le seul étendard blanc dans la cavalerie était celui du colonel général ; on l'appelait la cornette blanche. On le confiait à un officier faisant partie du 1er régiment (Colonel général). Dans l'infanterie, le premier enseigne portait le drapeau blanc colonel ; le 2e enseigne, le 1er drapeau d'ordonnance à la compagnie lieutenant-colonelle.
Ces deux officiers étaient toujours de jeunes gentilhommes, et après 2 ou 3 ans, ils recevaient l'autorisation d'acheter une compagnie. Les 14 autres drapeaux (3 par bataillons) étaient portés par les sous-lieutenants, toujours anciens sergents. Un jeune gentilhomme entrait au régiment vers l'âge de 13 ou 14 ans, avec le grade de lieutenant réformé ou comme cadet ; vers 17 ans, il était nommé lieutenant titulaire. Vers l'âge de 20 ans, il recevait l'autorisation d'acheter une compagnie, et s'il était riche, bien apparenté et soutenu à la Cour, il obtenait la permission d'acheter et d'entretenir un régiment à 24 ou 25 ans.

I'm sorry for the language but I go to bed now. I'll try to translate it tomorrow...

[Didz]

@Didz
Thank you for this nice historical debate! when you just do a re-skin ( or light version mod) is that you are stuck with the vanilla model so I try to do the best compromise acceptable.
So you say the fusiller regiment 33-49 ... a bit like this?:http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...chow_Fusiliers (Now I hesitate to use that source but still...) It shows the have a mitre cap, maybe I could work something out... Thanks for those details

Thanks for the note.

I would point out that the cap worn by the Fusiliers, and depicted in the uniform print is not a Mitre Cap. Mitre caps were much taller and in the Prussian army had metal front plates and a full ornamental cloth back. The cap shown is a Fusilier cap, which is modelled on the light infantry cap which was generally adopted by European light companies during the American rebellion. A similar cap was worn by bombardeirs in the Prussian Artillery. I notice the SYW Project site calls it a Fusilier Mitre Cap and it does look quite tall in the image. but if you compare the caps of the Fusilier on the right and the Grenadier on the left you can see the marked difference in style and height.

[tiyafeh]

Thanks very much for all this info. I'm very fond of history too but some times the artistic side take over the historical side... It's always nice to have a few reminder... as for the british project, it is still at an embryo stage... but if I'm correct, the british uniform of the syw has generally no collar I was wondering if I should use the same uniform pattern ( with few modification ) as my hannoverian Line

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This has Hannoverian and British units in the same image. Might make it easier for you to compare them.

[Roslolian]

My suggestion? Focus on one thing at a time. Personally, I'd be fine with you settling on the French til you're happy with them. Of course, it's totally cool taking a break from it by working on the others (or doing something actually fun in the real world), but it's always easier to make progress when you focus on one project at a time. As Nick Carroway says,

"The most limited of specialists is the well-rounded man."

Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing what else you come up with. I'm consistently impressed with everything you do.

[Didz]

duplicate due to lag.

[Didz]

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[Didz]

@Didz
Thanks very much for all this info. I'm very fond of history too but some times the artistic side take over the historical side... It's always nice to have a few reminder... as for the british project, it is still at an embryo stage... but if I'm correct, the british uniform of the syw has generally no collar I was wondering if I should use the same uniform pattern ( with few modification ) as my hannoverian Line

I beleive the uniform coats with the collars as seen during the American Rebellion were introduced by the Royal Warant of 1768.

The coats worn by the soldiers in the image you posted have the lapels in the post 1768 configuration which was uniform down to to the waist, so it would need a lot of altering to make them look right for 1742.

[Salvo]

Orion, You have very similar roster to European Wars 1
Guards - that same, Infantry similar - we have musketeer and German grenadier, we have Grenadiers de France (blue regiment) but we didn't have Regt. de la Marine I think that You should delete light dragoons...


Full our preview:

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This is the last preview before mod's release! Preview of French units is historically the most accurate and the best done preview of 'European Wars' so far. Over 30 different units, including cavalry, infantry and many elite guard units of which France was famous for. There will be Mousqetaires, Gendarmes or awesome grenadiers, additionaly historical character of marshall of France. Variety of hats, uniforms, boots and... haircuts! France in period of Louis' XIV rules and his grandson Louis XV, great power and great looser in 18th age at the same time, had huge significance in the age, this is why this fraction is presented as the last one before the first version of the mod. King Louise Assurbanipal (me) is Units' author. Special Thanks for Lordz (NTW2) and 'With Fire and Sword'. in this preview there are some elements of units from those mods.


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VARIETY OF FRENCH HATS:




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[33orion77]

Hello
@ Didz
as promised here is the translation of the text I posted. This bit of information come from the same place of the mouillard plate http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org/Mouillard/mouillard_L1c01.htm

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Drapeaux.
Dans le régiment d'infanterie, un seul drapeau était tout blanc : c'était le drapeau colonel et non pas le drapeau royal. Ce qui indiquait la nationalité française, c'était l'écharpe ou cravate blanche qu'on attachait sous le fer de la lance. L'usage de cette cravate fut adopté après la bataille de Fleurus, en 1691. En effet, les drapeaux colonels des Impériaux, des Hollandais, des Anglais, des Espagnols mêmes étaient blancs ; leurs drapeaux d'ordonnance étaient assez semblables pour amener de regrettables erreurs dans le feu de l'action ; alors pour se distinguer, les troupes françaises attachèrent l'écharpe blanche sous la pique. Dans les régiments de cavalerie, il n'y avait que des étendards d’ordonnances, deux par escadrons, portés les jours d'action par le cornette ou un sous-lieutenant ; habituellement par un brigadier. Le seul étendard blanc dans la cavalerie était celui du colonel général ; on l'appelait la cornette blanche. On le confiait à un officier faisant partie du 1er régiment (Colonel général). Dans l'infanterie, le premier enseigne portait le drapeau blanc colonel ; le 2e enseigne, le 1er drapeau d'ordonnance à la compagnie lieutenant-colonelle.
Ces deux officiers étaient toujours de jeunes gentilhommes, et après 2 ou 3 ans, ils recevaient l'autorisation d'acheter une compagnie. Les 14 autres drapeaux (3 par bataillons) étaient portés par les sous-lieutenants, toujours anciens sergents.

Flags
In the infantry regiment, only one flag was all white:it was the colonel's flag not the royal flag. The symbol of french nationality was the white scarf or white tie that was tied right under the spearhead. The use of this tie was adopted after the battle of Fleurus 1691. Indeed, the colonel's flag of the Imperials,Netherlanders, British and spanish were white; Their ordonance's flag were similar enough to bring unfortunate mistake in the heat of battle. So, to distingish themselves, the French troops tied a white scarf under the spearhead of the pike. In the cavalry regiment, there was only ondonance's flag, two by squadron. the bearers of those flag were, in action, a "cornette" or a "sous-lieutnenant" but generally the bearer was a "brigadier". The only white flag in the cavalry was the one of the colonel général, they called it the white "cornette". It was entrusted to an officer of the first regiment (colonel général). In the infantry, the first ensign was the bearer of the white colonel's flag, the 2nd ensign was the bearer of the first ordonance's flag to the "lieutnant-colonelle"'s company.thoses two officers were always young gentlemen and after 2 or 3 years they usually received the authorization to purchase a company. The bearers of the 14 other flags ( 3 per battalion)(?) were "sous-lieutnant", always ex-sergents.

I don't know if it is exactly was you are looking for but maybe it'll help

The coats worn by the soldiers in the image you posted have the lapels in the post 1768 configuration which was uniform down to to the waist, so it would need a lot of altering to make them look right for 1742.

That's what I feared... but I'll need to make some test...

@ Salvo
indeed! I guess our vision of what the french army should be is similar! elevate the chasseur à cheval to light dragoons was an idea I had but I'm really not sure like most of the Items with the question marks...

@Tiyafeh
look's like there is still much research to do...

@ Roslolian
... I know, but sometime I can't help myself

[Didz]

@33orion77: There might be another existing skin that is closer to the correct configuration, but it would take some time to go through them all and check.

As far as the flags are concerned, the peice you translated just adds to my the confusion. It actually says there were three colours per battalion, so was there another one other than the Colonel's and the Ordonance Flag?

It also seems to suggest that other nations carried Colonel's colours which certainly isn't true of the British. British Regiments only had a Kings Colour and a Regimental Colour. Why do the French always have to be so awkward

P.S. Just found something that at least explains the Colonel's Colours had to go back to 15th Century references for it though.

Flags
As shown, the French flags of the 15th and early 16th Centuries were predominantly red with a white cross, though blue and striped backgrounds were also used; the rounded form shown appears to have been commonest in the Italian Wars period.

From this was derived the standard form of French infantry flag in the 17th Century (and later), consisting of a large square standard with white cross and varying backgrounds.

For the original French regiments, the background colors were: Gardes Francaises—blue; Picardy—scarlet; Piedmont—black; Champagne—green (at least in the 18th Century, this was the only regiment with a diagonal white cross); and Navarre—russet (originally Henry IV's Guards).

French Colonels had sometimes been allotted a white standard as a mark of their rank, as early as Henry II's reign. The Huguenots made much use of white flags during the Wars of Religion, and in the early 17th Century, a white Colonel's color was allotted to each permanent (what does this mean?????) regiment as a sign of its status. 12 were carried in 1616, 21 by 1635 (the year when battalions were introduced). The French thus probably set the fashion, widespread by the mid-17th Century, of a white colonel's color. They also fixed the quota of flags for each battalion at three (yes but three what?), and a three-flag-to-a-battalion ratio also became popular later in the 17th Century. It is supposed to have been derived from the Swedes, but they in fact carried company flags till well after Gustavus Adolphus' time, and pictures of French units after 1635 also sometime show more than three flags, so it would appear that it was a rule not always kept.

[Sooo! it seems that a French battalion can carry up to three colours, but we still don't know if these were Colonel's colours, Ordononce Colours or a mixture, or one of each plus something else]

p.p.s. I may be getting somewhere at last with this.
from http://flagspot.net/flags/fr%5Er_mon.html

The true colour of the regiment was not the Colonel's flag but another, coloured flag, called drapeau d'ordonnance, which had for the regiment a status similar to the coat of arms for a family. [So, in simple terms the Ordonnance Flag IS the regimental colour]

This flag was the symbol of the honour of the regiment, but had no national value. The ordonnance flag was selected by the Colonel commanding the regiment and could change with him. (that explains a lot of the inconsistencies) For a long time, the old regiments and a few other ones named after provinces were the only ones whose flag was not submitted to change.

From the end of the XVIIth century onwards, most regiments did not change any longer their flag. Exceptions were the foreign regiments and the French regiments commanded by princes of high rank [1].

There was originally one flag by regiment. In 1635, the batallions were set up; according to Marquis de Langeron, each battalion was granted three flags, one for the center and armed with pikes, and two for the wings, kept by musketeers. During a battle, the musketeers completely surrounded the peak-bearers and they gave them their flags, to be kept in the center. The paintings representing battles under Louis XIV (r. 1643-1715) show three to five flags emerging from a forest of pikes, sometimes associated with the white Colonel's flag.

In 1758, the number of flags was reduced to two per battalion. These flags were all the same for a given regiment. (What exactly does this mean? were both flags the same, or the set of flags the same?) The first ensign (enseigne) carried the Colonel's flag. The second ensign carried the first ordonnance flag allocated to the Colonel's company. These two officers were young gentlemen, who were allowed to purchase a company after 2-3 years (and to purchase a regiment another 4-5 year later if rich, with influential relatives and support in the Court). The 14 other flags (when they were three flags per battalion) were carried by second lieutenants (sous-lieutenants), who were always former sergeants (sergents).

[G3NUINE chief]

Just letting you know, that with new patch the polish officer doesnt change it stays vanilla, but other that that there still great.

[33orion77]

@ Didz
very confusing indeed! But it is always what true historical research look like but the link you provide some of the answers:

During the Ancient Regime, French regiments used three flags in battle order:
- the white flag, as the royal flag.
- the Colonel's colour, often white with the coat of arms of the Regiment's Colonel. The Colonel's colour first appearence was in the vieux corps or vieilles bandes, which were indeed the first six regiments of the Royal army (Gardes Françaises, Regiments of Picardie, Champagne, Piedmont, Navarre and Normandy), created in 1569; in 1635, the use of the Colonel's colour was extended to the petits vieux (Regiments of Richelieu, Bourbonnais, Auvergne, Talard, Pons and Régiment du Roi). In 1661, all regiments were granted such a flag. The flag was granted to the regiment's veteran company.
- the drapeau d'ordonnance, which was the true distinctive regimental flag, often white crossed with regimental colors in the four squares, red-crossed for the Irish regiments, etc..
Under King Louis XIV, the size of infantry flags was 2.10 m x 2.28 m; it was decreased to 1.78 m x 1.78 m under the Regency and Louis XV and further decreased to 1.54 m x 1.62 m under Louis XVI.
In 1703 they were three ordonnance flags by battalion; this number was decreased to two in 1749, and finally to only one in 1776, except for some foreign regiments.
Source: L. & F. Funcken L'uniforme et les armes des soldats de la guerre en dentelle, Vol. 1, Casterman, 1975.
Jérôme Sterkers, 24 January 2002

So if I try to make sense of all of this, Three flags were used:the royal flag, the colonel's colors and the drapeau d'ordonance ( regimental ). The colonels's flag was carried by the veteran company in addition to " three ordonnance flags by battalion; this number was decreased to two in 1749, and finally to only one in 1776, except for some foreign regiments." I'm a bit puzzled about the royal flag tho... It might have disappeared in favor of the white scarf

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But I also found some mention of the Banner of France with was like bellow but It may have been used only in north ameria...

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King Charles VII founded the core of the permanent French army, with the first companies of Gendarmes, and Louis XI his son created the first troops of the King's Household. The habit developed of using a white cross as the basis of the design of regimental flags, and by the XVIIIth century almost every regiment had a white cross (exceptions: two Burgundian regiments had the traditional red saltire, an Irish regiment has a red cross, a German regiment had no cross at all). It seems that this lack of consistency in colours (a white cross being hard to make out on a background of multiple colours) made for some confusion: in 1690 at Fleurus, the French infantry was subjected to some "friendly fire" and thereafter it was decided that all regimental flags would have a white "scarf" hanging from the top of the staff.
François Velde, 30 June 1995

If I remember correctly, UK started tu use the union jack in 1707 ( but was created a century earlier ) In 1690, I believe the red cross of ST-George might have been used...
In the end maybe only colonel's and ordonance's flag were used in the 18th century...

@G3NUINE chief
Thanks, I know they changed the unit table to make available the officer2 with was previously unused. I'll try to fix this as soon as possible

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Three flags were used:the royal flag, the colonel's colors and the drapeau d'ordonance ( regimental ).

Ah! so there was a Royal Flag (the equivalent of the Kings Colour in Britain). That would explain the three flags per regiment, and why it was reduced to two once the Royal Flag was replaced by the white ribbon on the flagstaff perhaps.

If I remember correctly, UK started tu use the union jack in 1707 ( but was created a century earlier ) In 1690, I believe the red cross of ST-George might have been used...

The Union Flag was first created by the Royal Decree of King James VI of Scotland on the 12 April 1606. There were initially two designs one for Scotland and one for England. Both versions combined the cross of Saint George (patron Saint of England) with the cross of Saint Andrew (patron Saint of Scotland). The only difference was that in Scotland the cross of Saint Andrew was given dominance as shown below, whilst in England it was the Cross of Saint George.
Scottish Union Flag 1606

English Union Flag 1606

The Scottish version ceased to be used in 1607 and the English version remained unchanged then until 1801, when the cross of Saint Patrick patron saint of Ireland was added to produce the flag we use today.

The Union Flag

Note: that this is the Union Flag NOT the Union Jack. The Union Jack is a small flag flown from the jack staff of Royal Navy Ships when they are at anchor in harbour.

British battalions all carry two colours (A Kings Colour and a Regimental Colour)

The Kings Colour is essentially the Union Flag with the regimental devices superimposed in the centre.

The Regimental Colour has the Union Flag in the upper quandrant next to the staff, and the rest of the flag is in the facing colour of the regiment. Regimental flags are normally plain apart from the regimental devices, the exceptions being those of regiments with Black or White facings which often have a St. Georges Cross superimposed. There's quite a good site here for details of British Regimental Colours.
http://tmg110.tripod.com/british3.htm

In the end maybe only colonel's and ordonance's flag were used in the 18th century...

That would certainly tie in with the reduction of the number of flags carried from three to two.