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    ok make a thread to debate the shroud of turin thanks guys.

    i have edited the guide again, let me know if it's heading in the right track, or if there is more that should be done or other things you'd like to add.

    as i have said, its an evolving process and i'm aiming for consensus (tough i know!)
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    Default Re: Vestigia Vetustatis Helpful hints for beginners

    Can' t you read? How many more times do I have to explain to people with low reading comprehension that my list was a list of topics which I consider stupid and which I'm jokingly saying will invoke my wrath as part of the joke I was having with Atterdag . It's NOT a list of things that I'm forbidding. Hey, bring on the discussions of those stupid positions by all means.
    Sorry TG I didn't mean to cause you so much grief for was intended as a light comment on the particularities of some long standing regulars... Your named just poped up first becuse you had already posted earlier - could have been Sig just as easy - I thought by including myself as well the logic was clear.

    edit: I took out that lat part of my comment at #12 - I suppose the question really should have been posed separately.
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    Default Re: Vestigia Vetustatis Helpful hints for beginners

    ok make a thread to debate the shroud of turin thanks guys.

    i have edited the guide again, let me know if it's heading in the right track, or if there is more that should be done or other things you'd like to add.

    as i have said, its an evolving process and i'm aiming for consensus (tough i know!)
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    what are peoples opinions on adding a section on primary/eye witness sources?
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    Default Re: Vestigia Vetustatis Helpful hints for beginners

    That would warrant also a checksum on the psychology of witness accounts, and possibly methodology of Case Studies?

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    Default Re: Vestigia Vetustatis Helpful hints for beginners

    People also needs to learn the basic skill of comparing sources. The level of historical discussion in this forum needs to be heavily improved.

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    Perhaps a Sticky stating that 'Greatest' threads are forbidden should be added, similar to the announcement that polls are no longer permitted. There have been several cropping up recently, the latest being 'What was the British Empire's Greatest Victory?' or something to that effect, closed immediately by pannonian.
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    I agree, getting rid of threads like "who was the greatest general" and "who is better: rome or sparta" threads should be removed.

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    I agree, getting rid of threads like "who was the greatest general" and "who is better: rome or sparta" threads should be removed
    I'm not sure I would agree - given reasonable parameters and a detailed question and if a similar thread is not recent I see no particular problem. Books don't get written endlessly about Hannibal and Alexander decade after decade for no reason after all. Worst case nobody replies and if the thread devolves into simplicity it can be closed. I would like to see a better rational for why no 'great' threads should be allowed. To repeat books by real historians about lists of great battles, great leaders and great events are legion.
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    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

    Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.

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    If you require that they back up their opinions with sources than yes, i agree with you conon

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    Is using Osprey Publishing Books considered a good resource or it falls in the category "beware off"? i ask, as I find those books quite good and they often consist healthy ammount of quotes and their bibliography is easy to check... also, some of the stuff marked as sources are accessible via free e-books...

    Just wanted to know, before I write anything depending heavily on them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minas Moth View Post
    Is using Osprey Publishing Books considered a good resource or it falls in the category "beware off"? i ask, as I find those books quite good and they often consist healthy ammount of quotes and their bibliography is easy to check... also, some of the stuff marked as sources are accessible via free e-books...

    Just wanted to know, before I write anything depending heavily on them...

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    I only have two of them, but I have wondered the same before. Thus I'd also appreciate an answer on this

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    From what I could understand a lot of people dismiss Osprey books as made for uneducated amateur. I obtained three of them on subject I am already familiar on. Respectively the Macedonian Hellenistic army, the French army during the hundred years war and the medieval Burgundian army. I have yet to read attentively the two later but from a quick look at gave at them and the complete reading of the first one I can say the books are nice and could be used as sources imo. They are not perfect of course. As they are short. All the books I tried were of the serie "Man at Arms" and so focused on the description of the combatant so they did not expanded much on the events. Because of this they contained simplifications, misleading informations or miss important parts. So they might be insufficient to offer a solid vision of the period and the context. That's at least the case the this specific serie. On the other hand I have found a few informations I never heard of before in theses books even if I was already informed on the subject.

    I would conclude that the "Man at Arm" serie is a decent alternative for an introduction to a subject and a smart choice if you interested in the description of specific armies/warriors. Obviously, it is better support it with other sources but I found the pure description of equipment and to some regard tactics as honourable. For sure I have read books by more renowned authors worst.

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