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    Icon4 Letter to Sega Management

    Please, I'm not looking to get flames or to get trolls wanting to start arguments. I am asking nicely... Agree or Don't Agree will suffice.

    This is a legitimate post as I believe everyone's rights have been violated by this sham of a game called Empire: Total War.

    I have written the following letter that I'm going to send off to several departments within Sega Headquarters in the US, UK, and Japan. Anyone that believes that the letter also applies to them and has interest in undersigning the letter, please reply with an agreement to this statement as I will include a link to this thread within the letter.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    M. W.
    XXXXXXXX
    XXXXXXXX
    March 31, 2009

    Customer Service Management
    SEGA
    350 Rhode Island Street
    San Francisco, CA 94103

    To whom it may concern:

    The reason for my writing of this letter is to convey to the Sega Management staff the complete infuriation of their consumer base of the Total War franchise. Aside from the almost fraudulent marketing of the Special Forces Edition (SFE), which I will not be concentrating on, the initial release of Empire Total War (ETW) was nothing short of a disaster. I myself purchased the SFE from Gamestop on the day of its release. Please see my enclosed copy of the receipt.

    Initially, individuals that purchased the game through Valve’s Steam system could not download or finish downloading their product on the day of its release. This was due to some bug within the Steam system, where the files essentially would not release completely to the consumers. I’ve also read about numerous consumers that had purchased boxed versions of ETW that could not get their game to update through Steam, and thereby could not use their product after its purchase. I guess all the consumers should consider themselves lucky that Steam released a patch the day after to resolve the patch/downloading issue.

    Furthermore, the game was released entirely in beta format! The huge influx of complaints on various Total War forums about consistent crashing, video memory addressing issues, graphic corruption, lag during game-play, memory leaks, sound problems, and an uncountable amount of seemingly unfinished game-play features paints a simple picture that the game’s completion before release was not a concern. To see evidence of this, the official ETW forum was limited to a maximum of <2,000 visitors per day months before ETW’s release. On the release of ETW the amount of visitors had increased to a massive >17,000 per day. A majority of the visits and posts are based on the above and countless other complaints. By visiting several other Total War forums this pattern should be easily recognizable.

    In essence, the consumer was left in complete disregard, and was fooled into purchasing a defective, non-working product. This is a pattern that has been evident in the Video Game Entertainment industry for all too long and Sega and The Creative Assembly seem to be proponents of leaving their consumers in the dirt just like the rest of the publishers and developers out there.
    Individuals that have been visiting the official Total War forums (totalwarforums.com) have been voicing their complaints and have been met with utter condescension and an almost a Nazi-ish response by the forum moderators. Forum threads voicing displeasure have been locked, moved, or buried to reduce the amount of bad press that this sham of a game rightly deserves. Individuals who are continually voicing their concerns are not being affirmed or acknowledged, are usually dismissed and usually end up being met with either a temporary or permanent forum ban.

    Clearly, this type of response by The Creative Assembly’s Gestapo forum staff is not only demeaning, it is completely disrespectful and does not convey a concern for the customer’s well being and that their needs are being met. This comes down to the observation that the forum moderators do not have the skills to maintain decent customer relations, do not have an ounce of necessary counseling skills that are essential to maintain a good rapport with their user base, but simply exist to maintain a seemingly fascist sweep-it-under-the-rug-and-it’ll-disappear mentality. The consumers, that have legitimate issues and are being banned for repeatedly voicing them, thus cannot post their issues to the forums if they need assistance with problems that are continually arising during the patching process.

    The Video Game industry needs to realize that a finished and complete end product should be the ultimate goal. The current process of selling unfinished products is completely unacceptable. It seems that publishers are under the assumption that consumers essentially have no rights, or know that they are at least not willing to pursue them through legal means. This disrespect and disregard of the video game consumer, has to end. The Uniform Commercial Code and its rejection rules for goods and services needs/has to be observed if the Game industry wants to maintain a decent relationship with its consumers.

    In addition, with current Internet Service Providers moving towards limited or capped bandwidth schemes for their home based clients, downloading content will be more difficult in the future. This means that the method of releasing unfinished products that are available via digital download will have to cease to exist at some point in the future. Having your customers download the products, expecting them to do the same with hundreds of patches to make the product usable, will not be an acceptable strategy.

    Ethically, I firmly believe that Sega and The Creative Assembly have duped their entire community and fans into purchasing an unfinished product solely for the purpose of increasing their capital. At this point your consumers have no guarantee that Empire Total War will ever function as it was intended to and were sold a sham product. I personally would not be surprised if several consumers are pursuing a class action suit at this point. It should also be no surprise to your industry, if in the future, your consumers resort to piracy to try your product before investing their hard earned money in your defective garbage.

    Sincerely,

    M. W.


    Since I have been banned from totalwarforums.com I would appreciate it if someone would make the effort and post a new thread with just a link to this message with a similar heading as above on their Empire thread. (We'll see how long it takes for them to either move, lock, and delete that thread)
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    I agree with the statement.

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    I think the problem is global boys...

    CA is just one piece of the problem... there are millions of problems all intertwined for what's about to come... causing CA to do whatever you think they are doing wrong... and I'm not talking about game designers.
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    Signed.

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    oik if any1 actuely reds that letter gets amedal for me. im sorry. its just so long. now on topics.

    i digree with what you haved to say. i think this game perfect. sotrrry for interupting.

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    Perhaps a little on the extreme side--I'm most worried about the control Steam will exert over the game. As long as they'll get the deuce out of the way, we can fix most everything else.
    Son of PW

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    Theoo is gold.
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    I LOL at any letter of complaint regarding a game that includes the words "class action suit".

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    So many Nazi references... The Pope was much worse, but no one ever calls him on it. Agree to an extent.
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    ,


    those people don't give a crap about mail.

    I'm neutral to this whole rant versus praise thing, but it's like trying to send letters to congress. They don't give a about me and you.

    We are the nobodies, the nothings. (Well, to congress).

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    Well, I'm not buying the expansionpack untill they fix the maingame 100%.

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    Again... I just ask people either "agree" or "disagree".
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    Okay guys. He wants a simple answer. Just say agree or disagree.

    I'm going to disagree, not cause I'm against your letter or disapprovement, but I'm neutral so I don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe-Battler View Post
    ,


    those people don't give a crap about mail.

    I'm neutral to this whole rant versus praise thing, but it's like trying to send letters to congress. They don't give a about me and you.


    We are the nobodies, the nothings. (Well, to congress).

    (these new red faces are lame with cuss words).
    We should send the letter (snail mail) with poop smeared on it, they'll remember then.

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    We should send the letter (snail mail) with poop smeared on it, they'll remember then.
    lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    seriously that was the best thing I've ever read in a couple months on the internet!
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    Disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe-Battler View Post
    Okay guys. He wants a simple answer. Just say agree or disagree.

    I'm going to disagree, not cause I'm against your letter or disapprovement, but I'm neutral so I don't care.
    okay then


    DISAGREE

    stop spamming the forums
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    Who me? Or him?
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    They will read it, and then delete it and not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pfundner View Post
    ENOUGH OF THE GODDAMN LETTERS TO SEGA!!!!

    UR NOT GONNA ACTUALLY SEND THEM AND EVEN IF YOU DO THE MANAGEMENT AT SEGA ARE TOO BUSY MAKING MONEY FROM HALF FINSIHED GAMES TO READ UR STUPID LETTERS!
    Quote Originally Posted by Pfundner View Post
    okay then


    DISAGREE

    stop spamming the forums
    1. and you stop yelling

    2. As I've seen in your other post you don't even own the game. So it is you who are spamming the forums - you can't disagree with him as you didn't buy the game, payed for it and now have the feeling that you have been ripped since you payed to be a beta tester

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