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    Default Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    This will be in 6 sections;

    1. This introductory post.
    2. General information on indelningsverket and how it worked.
    3. Suggestions for early game (c:a 1700-1750) units, with links to images for modeling.
    4. Suggestions for mid game (c:a 1750-1775) units, with links to images for modeling.
    5. Suggestions for late game (c:a 1776-1799) units, with links to images for modeling.
    6. Historical unit names.

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    Default 2. General information on indelningsverket.

    First of all, a short explanation of how the army worked. Most peasants were free land-holding peasants and Indelningsverket meant that a few of them got together, hired and equipped a soldier and supplied him and his family with a small tenant farm, a torp. This supplied the nation with a cheap and very reliable semi-active force that was, in 1700, superior to any other European force. For several reasons;

    1. Training. These men had company training 8-12 times per year, for one or a few days. There they drilled in company movement, live firing (yes, the Brits were not exclusive in training with live ammunition), tactics and general drill. Once a year the entire regiment met for training, mock battles, fire drills (with live ammo), larger unit tactics drill and training etc. These were large affairs, taking about three weeks. Companies usually met and trained for one or two weeks before this to make sure they would do well at the regimental review. Once every three years, one or more regiments met at a grand regimental training, usually being inspected by an experienced General or the King himself. Mock battles were held with different arms (artillery, cavalry, infantry), drill and inspection, large unit manouvers, different arms coordination and manouvers were trained at these time. As with the regimental trainings, companies met beforehand and trained to make sure everything was in order for the inspections. In general, troops trained roughly 2-3 months per year.

    2. Officers and men knew each other. They were from the same region and socialised a lot even when not at trainings. This bred trust and understanding between officers, men and NCOs, which increased morale and unit cohesion during battle and campaign. Military discipline was maintained at all times, in and out of training, and officers were responsible for their men at all times, and to make sure they maintained strength, discipline and military readiness.

    3. Tactics were very, very offensive. All men had a rapier for close combat, all musket-armed infantry had socket bayonets and in 1700, 1/3 of the men had pikes. Grenadiers were integrated in the infantry battalion. The army proved on many occasions during the Great Nordic War that the offensive tactics, great unit cohesion and great ability in close combat (which was extensively trained) allowed them to attack and defeat much larger enemy forces from Russia, Denmark, Saxony and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Indelningsverket produced a national, reliable, very good and cheap army. Its only shortcoming was that it was very hard to replace once lost. The army was raised and lost three times during the Great Nordic War. Towards the end of the 18th century, especially as the French revolution introduced mass armies, it became evident that the system produced too few soldiers.

    So I suggest that all provinces in Sweden and Finland, except Skåne/Scania (if made its own province) have a building named Indelningsverket (Scania, Ingria, Estonia, Livonia, Swedish Pommerania and Bremen did not have this system). This building should allow for the production of Indelningsverket units. These should be very, very cheap, but take a LOT of time to produce - 1/4 of the cost of normal units and 4 times as long. The building should also reduce the income of the province sharply (since a lot of the peasants are maintaining soldiers instead of paying taxes). The units produced by this building should also be limited in numbers. The player can then choose if he wants to maintain the Indelningsverk and get cheap units in limited numbers and the reduction in income, or if he wants to tear the building down and use recruited units like most other nations. If those buildings are torn down, a generic Linjeinfanteri (Line infantry) and Kavalleri (Regiment of Cavalry) should replace the indelningsverket units. These generic units can use the same skins as the Kavalleri and Musketare.
    Last edited by von Adler; March 30, 2009 at 03:44 AM.

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    Default 3. Early game units.

    Units in italics are indelningsverket units. Images are suggestions, generalised to show different regimental uniforms and what was most common at the time.
    Early Infantry
    Borgerskap (Citizens' Militia) - half club armed, half matchlock musket armed. Rare in Sweden, only really existed in Riga, the largest city of Sweden, and to some extent Stockholm. Stats as other Citizens' Militia. No limit.
    Värvade musketare (Militia) - musket and socket bayonet. These were fortress garrison units, permanenly employed regiments in Germany, Estonia and Livonia and units raised from defeated Saxonian units. Use second guy from the front. No limit.
    Pikenerare (Pikemen) - these should be able to form a pike wall AND charge at the enemy (perhaps done like the Dathmod Greek hoplites formation in Rome Total War). Main difference between these and the musketeers was the broad sash with the black leather ammo poach, that the pikemen lacked. They had pikes and rapiers. They should have much higher melee stats than line infantry and probably better melee stats than other pikemen. Limit 7 units.
    Musketare (Line Infantry) - musket, rapier and socket bayonet. Should have higher morale than average and much higher melee attack and defence. Should be close to unable to reform if routed though (due to no training in retreat). Should probably have slightly lower ranged attack and/or range than average line infantry. Limit 15 units.
    Grenadjärer (Grenadiers) - musket, rapier, socket bayonet and grenades. Otherwise same as the line infantry. Limit 4 units.
    Livgarde (Guards) - musket, rapier and socket bayonet. Should have yellow rather than black socks. A full-time elite regiment, should have the same melee bonus as other units. Limit 2 units.

    Early Cavalry
    Dragoner (Dragoons) - musket, rapier, socket bayonet and pistol. Dragoons were uniformed like the cavalry, except that they had no cuirasses or leather wests and low shoes like the infantry instead of long boots. The green-uniformen guy is a Dragoon - there were only two horsed dragoon regiments at the time, one had green uniform and the other blue. Choose as it suits you, but ditch the winter over-coat that the guy wears in this image. Limit 2 units.
    Kavalleri (Heavy Cavalry) - carbine, rapier and two pistols. Pistols would be fired at full charge before cutting in. There were no combat mode other than the full charge with a tight wedge formation. The cavalry had a cuirass and a leather west under the coat for the first years of the 1700s, the cuirass was later abandoned, but the leather west remained. I suggest high melee stats and if possible, precursor pistols with very short range (10-15 meters). Limit 8 units.
    Värvat kavalleri - carbine, rapier and two pistols. Garrison and full-time cavalry from the fortress garrison units, permanenly employed regiments in Germany, Estonia and Livonia and units raised from defeated Saxonian units. Not as high melee stats as the Kavalleri, but not far behind. No limits.
    Livgardet till häst (Horse Guards) - like cavalry, but with white instead of yellow (socks, lining, west, trousers, cuffs and collars). Limit 2 units.

    General's Guard
    Drabanter (General's Guard) - Drabanter were all officers that had distinguished themselves. A private in Drabanterna was equal to a cavaly Lieutenant. They fought with the General or the King to protect his person. They wore a very elaborate blue coat with lots of gold decoration and had a polished cuirass, like the man on the horse here. Limit 3 units.

    3-pundare (3pdr regiment gun) artillerister (artillerymen) - 3-4 men in service. With "half-heavy" load (half the weight of the shot in powder) the firing range was 225-300 meters. Limit 2 units.
    6-pundare (6dr), artillerister (artillerymen) - 6-7 men service. With "half-heavy" load the firing range was 435-500 meters. Limit 1 unit.
    12-pundare (12pdr, in transport mode), artillerister (artillerymen) - 6-8 men service. With "half-heavy" load the firing range was 535-600 meters. Limit 1 unit.
    Last edited by von Adler; March 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM. Reason: Correcting format.

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    Default 4. Mid game units.

    Reserved.

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    Default 5. Late game units.

    Reserved.

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    Default 6. Historical unit names.

    Historical line and pike infantry names
    Upplands Regemente
    Skaraborgs Regemente
    Åbo Läns Regemente
    Södermanlands Regemente
    Kronobergs Regemente
    Jönköpings Läns Regemente
    Björneborgs Läns Regemente
    Dalregementet
    Tavastehus Regemente
    Hälsinge Regemente
    Älvsborgs Regemente
    Västgöta Regemente
    Kalmar Läns Regemente
    Nylands Regemente
    Närke och Värmlands Regemente
    Österbottens Regemente
    Östgöta Regemente
    Västgötadals Regemente
    Västmanlands Regemente
    Västerbottens Regemente
    Viborgs Läns Regemente
    Savolax Regmente

    Historical guards names
    Livgardet
    Andra Livgardet
    Tyska Livregementet till fot
    Drottningens Livregemente
    Kronprinsens Regemente
    Prins Fredrik Adolfs Regemente

    Historical militia infantry names
    Pommerska Infanteriregementet
    Garnisonsregementet i Stralsund
    Givernörsregementet i Wismar
    Garnisonsregementet i Wismar
    Bremiska Infanteriregementet
    Garnisonsregementet i Stade
    Guvernementsregementet i Riga
    Garnisonsregementet i Riga
    Skyttes Regemente
    Garnisonsregementet i Narva
    Estländska Infanteriregementet
    Första Livländska Infanteriregementet
    Andra Livländska Infanteriregementet
    Tredje Livländska Infanteriregementet
    Fjärde Livländska Infanteriregementet
    Femte Livländska Infanteriregementet
    Jerwiska Estniska Infanteriregementet
    Wieriska Estniska Infanteriregementet
    Harriska Estniska Infanteriregementet
    Elbingska Garnisonsregementet
    Ingermanlands Infanteriregemente
    Sachsiska Infanteriregementet
    Bremiska Lantregementet
    Lantregementet i Stettin
    Anklamska Lantregementet
    Rhenländska Infanteriregementet

    Historical light infantry names
    Jämtlands Dragonregemente (these were never horsed)
    Sprengtportens Regemente
    Kajanas Jägarbataljon
    Armfeldts Jägarkår
    Dufvas Jägarkår
    af Enehielms Jägarkår
    Sandels Fotjägare
    Uleåborgs Lätta Infanteriregemente

    Historical cavalry names
    Smålands Kavalleriregemente
    Norra Skånska Kavalleriregementet
    Södra Skånska Kavalleriregementet
    Östgöta Kavalleriregemente
    Västgöta Kavalleriregemente
    Åbo och Björneborgs Läns Kavalleriregemente
    Nylands och Tavastehus Läns Kavalleriregemente
    Viborgs och Nyslotts Läns Kavalleriregemente

    Historical dragoon names
    Bohusläns Dragonregemente
    Stenbocks Dragonregemente
    Meijerfelts Dragonregemente
    Schlesiska Dragonregementet
    Polska Regementet till häst
    Finska Lätta Dragonkåren

    Historical militia cavalry names
    Estniska Kavalleriregementet
    Adelsfanan i Estland och Ingermanland
    Adelsfanan i Livland och på Ösel
    Adelsfanan i Pommern
    Adelsfanan i Bremen-Verden
    Pommerska Kavalleriregementet
    Bremiska Kavalleriregementet
    Dragonregementet i Wismar
    Bremiska Dragonregementet
    Första Livländska Dragonregementet
    Andra Livländska Dragonregementet
    Ingermanländska Dragonregementet
    Verdiska Dragonregementet
    Pommerska Dragonregementet
    Preussiska Dragonregementet

    Historical light cavalry names
    Livregementets Husarer
    Kronprinsens Husarregemente

    Historical guards cavalry names
    Livregementet till häst
    Livregementets dragoner

    Historical artillery names
    Artilleriregementet
    Svea Artilleriregemente
    Göta Artilleriregemente
    Wendes Artilleriregemente
    Finska Artilleriregementet
    Last edited by von Adler; March 29, 2009 at 01:57 PM. Reason: Formatting, formatting...

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Added early units.

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Very nice and interesting thread this. I am currently trying to reskin units for Sweden and also I am trying to add uniformed pikemen to the Swedish faction.

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Thankyou. I am looking forward to seeing reskinned Swedish units.

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    Interesting reading, I'm swedish and interested in history still there was a lot of new things here. Very good. Let's just hope a modder uses the information to make an improved Swedish faction - Sweden in E: TW is a bitter shame and doesn't represent the quality of Swedish troops at all.

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    The true milita infantry was the "tre mäning" and "fem mäning" in the early period. Värvat did inclouded garnison troops "overseas" but also some of the very best Swedish troops. Among them Kungliga livregementets dragoner

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Some other units name from this time

    Ingermaländska dragon regementet
    Adelsfanan i Sverige och Finland one of the oldest regiments of the world 1425-1809 wear greay uniform and tricorn


    Värvat främlings regemente formed 1706 disbanded 1710
    -regiment inclouded 524 germans, 531 frenchmen 100 italians, 39 dutchmen, 66 englishmen, 23 switzmen, 6 spaniards, 19 poles, 25 scandinavians and 10 swedes

    Sweden also hade a number of POW units
    Swizz batalion
    Saxon infantry regiment
    French dragonregiment
    French batalion
    Bavarian regiment

    This units was raised from POW captuered after the battle of Fraustad

    Also 1714-1715 in the Swedish army there where sevral units from Holstein

    Other Dragoon units

    Livländska dragon regimentet
    Bremiska dragoon regiment
    Verdiska dragon regementet (from Bremen)
    Taubes Schlesian dragon regiment
    Görtz Dragon regiment
    H.o.d 'Albedyhls Dragoons ( some time called the best dragons of the Swedish army)
    N Gyllenstiernas Dragoons
    Last edited by Drabanten; March 29, 2009 at 09:51 PM.

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    I like where this is going.

    Great research!
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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drabanten View Post
    The true milita infantry was the "tre mäning" and "fem mäning" in the early period. Värvat did inclouded garnison troops "overseas" but also some of the very best Swedish troops. Among them Kungliga livregementets dragoner
    Yes, the guards regiments were also värvade, as were the artillery, But those units are listed under Guards and Guards cavalry names and the unit list has Livgarde and Livgarde till häst to represent them.

    The garrison regiments were militia units, in my opinion. They were local permanent units, which works well with the militia units in Empire. The tremänning- and femmänning-regementen were not militia, in my opinion, they were trained and equipped like the other units of indelningsverket and should be represented by them.

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drabanten View Post
    Some other units name from this time

    Ingermaländska dragon regementet
    Adelsfanan i Sverige och Finland one of the oldest regiments of the world 1425-1809 wear greay uniform and tricorn


    Värvat främlings regemente formed 1706 disbanded 1710
    -regiment inclouded 524 germans, 531 frenchmen 100 italians, 39 dutchmen, 66 englishmen, 23 switzmen, 6 spaniards, 19 poles, 25 scandinavians and 10 swedes

    Sweden also hade a number of POW units
    Swizz batalion
    Saxon infantry regiment
    French dragonregiment
    French batalion
    Bavarian regiment

    This units was raised from POW captuered after the battle of Fraustad

    Also 1714-1715 in the Swedish army there where sevral units from Holstein

    Other Dragoon units

    Livländska dragon regimentet
    Bremiska dragoon regiment
    Verdiska dragon regementet (from Bremen)
    Taubes Schlesian dragon regiment
    Görtz Dragon regiment
    H.o.d 'Albedyhls Dragoons ( some time called the best dragons of the Swedish army)
    N Gyllenstiernas Dragoons
    I purposedly avoided including units in the list that only existed for a few years. A lot of the Dragoons were in reality light cavalry with little or no training on how to fight on foot. Most of your dragoon unit names are listed under militia cavalry for that reason.

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    Default 7. The Swedish navy 1700.

    When the Swedish navy took to sea in June 1700 to partake in the Great Nordic War, it consisted of 38 ships of the line and 38 frigates.

    This navy, together with the Lüneburgian navy and a Anglo-Dutch squadron, locked the Danish navy (that was substantially larger, and probably of better quality than the Swedish counterpart) in Copenhagen and allowed Karl XII to land outside Copenhagen and knock Denmark out of the war.

    Ships of the Line

    1st Rate Ship of the Line
    HMS Carolus, 108 guns, 828 men.

    2nd Rate Ship of the Line
    HMS Enigheten, 94 guns, 705 men.
    HMS Drottning Hedwig, 90 guns, 648 men.

    3rd Rate Ship of the Line
    HMS Drottning Ulrica, 86 guns, 671 men.
    HMS Prinsessan Ulrica, 80 guns, 643 men.
    HMS Sverige, 80 guns, 642 men.
    HMS Prins Carl, 80 guns, 642 men.
    HMS Göta, 76 guns, 406 men.
    HMS Bohus, 74 guns, 560 men.
    HMS Carlscrona, 70 guns, 497 men.
    HMS Småland, 70 guns, 456 men.
    HMS Uppland, 70 guns, 456 men.
    HMS Wrangel, 70 guns, 456 men.
    HMS Victoria, 70 guns, 452 men.
    HMS Stockholm, 70 guns, 431 men.
    HMS Prinsessan Hedwig, 70 guns, 425 men.
    HMS Blekinge, 70 guns, 425 men.
    HMS Wenden, 70 guns, 375 men.
    HMS Finland, 64 guns, 550 men.
    HMS Skåne, 64 guns, 375 men.
    HMS Fredrica Amalia, 62 guns, 344 men.
    HMS Hercules, 62 guns, 342 men.
    HMS Wästmandland, 62 guns, 339 men.

    4th Rate Ship of the Line
    HMS Södermanland, 56 guns, 450 men.
    HMS Pommern, 56 guns, 311 men.
    HMS Ösel, 56 guns, 311 men.
    HMS Göteborg, 54 guns, 345 men.
    HMS Halland, 54 guns, 311 men.
    HMS Wrede, 52 guns, 452 men.
    HMS Estland, 52 guns, 240 men.
    HMS Norrköping, 52 guns, 235 men.
    HMS Livland, 50 guns, 328 men.
    HMS Wachtmeiser, 50 guns, 311 men.
    HMS Gotland, 50 guns, 311 men.
    HMS Öland, 50 guns, 240 men.
    HMS Stettin, 46 guns, 240 men.
    HMS Wismar, 46 guns, 210 men.
    HMS Calmar, 46 guns, 210 men.

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Adelsfanan i Sverige och Finland one of the oldest regiments of the world 1425-1809 wear greay uniform and tricorn
    Are you sure? I have this picture of Adels Flag in 1783:
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    I don't speak very good Swedish, so I could be mistaken.

    If not, there are some more interesting Swedish units from C18th that I haven't yet seen on this page in the following websites:

    Detailed pictures, the Adelsfanan above is from here:
    http://62.20.57.210/kra/bilder/roosuniformer/

    Less detailed pictures, but with extensive background info on regiments, along with area of origin and regimental flags:
    http://hem.bredband.net/b111807/Engl...vian-army1.htm
    Last edited by General_Meevious; March 30, 2009 at 03:24 AM.

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    Default 8. Swedish army 1700.

    8. The Swedish Army upon mobilisation 1700.

    There were ~76 000 men ready for duty in June 1700. As a comparison, Prussia fielded ~22 000 men at the time, Denmark-Norway ~36 000 and Russia ~40 000. Indelningsverket allowed Sweden to field about twice as many soldiers per capita as other European nations at the time.

    There were 22 infantry and 12 cavalry regiments from Sweden and Finland and 14 infantry and 9 cavalry regiments in Bremen-Verden, Swedish Pommerania, Ingria, Estonia and Livonia.

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    For all practical purposes, Adelsfanan ceased to exists 1718, even though it continued to exist on paper for a long time. After 1743, there were no reviews, no training, no drill, no drawing rations or equipment at all. Of course, it was not hard to get recruits, as serving in Adelsfanan meant you did not have to serve elsewhere. All you had to do was to report your adress once a year to the company commander!

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    Default Re: Swedish army suggestions for modders.

    Haha, that's very interesting. Too elite for battle? Too bad for the Adelsfanan that will be in E:TW that we are not as nice as Swedish kings of the day. They would see more than one battle after 1718 if I were regent!

    Do you know if Drabanten is correct about their uniform? I would like to know how accurate those sites that I posted are. I haven't found any clashes with other sources yet, but if they are poor references, I will remove them from the thread.

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