Completely new and revised remodelled Preussens gloria (V1.2) 27/5/2012

[A_Menzel]

I see what would the rim colour for the drums be for the 1st Infantry Regiment?

I do not know. I don't think anyone knows anymore. Very few are known today, like the one I use for all, that of the 12th Regiment.

[A_Menzel]

Since some people seem to be interested in Jäger, I made Feldjäger zu Fuß for Preußens Gloria.
I used dragoons' model for men, and Guard officer's model for the officer. I didn't add lace to the hat of the men, so it's mid or late SYW.

[Megasalexandros]

A_MENZEL pack work fine with cannons.
The problem come from the model filepath (pussian instead of prussian).
But the pack has still problems with some units and crash when I start battle.

Hmm i havent used the modification of Menzel for the cannon so i dont know

Since some people seem to be interested in Jäger, I made Feldjäger zu Fuß for Preußens Gloria.
I used dragoons' model for men, and Guard officer's model for the officer. I didn't add lace to the hat of the men, so it's mid or late SYW.

Amazingly great job, do you think that i must make a model for that jagers? Should i add anything or change something in order for the model of the jager to be accurate?

[gary]

Hmm i havent used the modification of Menzel for the cannon so i dont know




Amazingly great job, do you think that i must make a model for that jagers? Should i add anything or change something in order for the model of the jager to be accurate?

hi what do i need again to extract diffuse... as db-editor wont let me for some reason.. bare with me as it has been a few years since i last modded lol.

[Bluthand]

Hmm i havent used the modification of Menzel for the cannon so i dont know




Amazingly great job, do you think that i must make a model for that jagers? Should i add anything or change something in order for the model of the jager to be accurate?

It looks very nice, i think it is ok so here are a jäger

[A_Menzel]

Hmm i havent used the modification of Menzel for the cannon so i dont know

I sent Wangrin your mod with cannons, which was not working well. I am sorry I did not explain it to you.

Amazingly great job, do you think that i must make a model for that jagers? Should i add anything or change something in order for the model of the jager to be accurate?

Thank you for your complement. I think your models are good enough, although they were intended for other use.
If you want to be extremely accurate, you can make a cartridge case for Jägers like this. It looks almost like the cartridge pouch during WWI. They carried it belted around their waist.
But you shouldn't bother making it, because you have so many important things to do!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Few tiny things: you should see a red point in that thing like a shoulder board on the officer's shoulder. I could not change the colour from red (I wanted to make it gold like the rest), because the skin of that part overlaps with that of the lower sleeve, the red cuff. Same thing happens with the pompon of the Grenadier Drummer, which makes the pompon always red for every regiment or pink for the 18th Regiment.
Also, part of the hat lace of the officer is reflected on the back of the body of the hat (his head), which cannot be seen in the picture. The same thing naturally happens with the guard officer's hat too.

[Megasalexandros]

hi what do i need again to extract diffuse... as db-editor wont let me for some reason.. bare with me as it has been a few years since i last modded lol.

Ji really dont know, iam using Db editor my self for the extraction, Wangrin could help

It looks very nice, i think it is ok so here are a jäger

Nice Osprey jagers, i was always thinking of creating the number 2 jager


Menzel i dont understand exactly why you get the above mentioned errors but as i have always created edited models by testing them with the UVMAP of the model it self such errors were corrected on the spot, because you are working on the textures you cant spot such errors.
I can of course correct them if i am planning in creating Jagers for PG.
But i think that the creation of early prussians from 1700 to 1714 are my priority, when i finish with them i will then start of with Austrian early mid Austria, of course if there are many requests for jagers i can certainly make a model for them.

As for the officer hat texture, it works the same as for the textures the PG officers already use so i dont know you are getting those problems really.
Maybe if you later send me a sample of your jager textures i can check them

[A_Menzel]

Menzel i dont understand exactly why you get the above mentioned errors but as i have always created edited models by testing them with the UVMAP of the model it self such errors were corrected on the spot, because you are working on the textures you cant spot such errors.
I can of course correct them if i am planning in creating Jagers for PG.
But i think that the creation of early prussians from 1700 to 1714 are my priority, when i finish with them i will then start of with Austrian early mid Austria, of course if there are many requests for jagers i can certainly make a model for them.

As for the officer hat texture, it works the same as for the textures the PG officers already use so i dont know you are getting those problems really.
Maybe if you later send me a sample of your jager textures i can check them

OK, I show you the UV Map. If can show this, it means I also have the tool to correct it. Call me lazy, but I bought this tool about a month ago, and this is the only thing I can do with it now.
See how the pompon overlaps the sleeve?
Grenadier Drummer

Guard Officer (this one is not pompon, but a thing on the shoulder, or a tiny bit of it)

Do you see the white thing on the top (back) officer's head?
There is also the red circle which came from the cuff on the shoulder. BTW, they are wearing the Interimsuniform, and the drum is modelled on the drum of the 12th Regiment. (I do know how the drum of the 15th should look, but I am using this one for all)

Now I have the opportunity, let me show you the problem with the Füsilier model I mentioned before, which I think is far more serious than all the above.
The half of the front plate kind of repeats itself overlapping the left half, which inhibits me from making a symmetric plate.
So I was not talking about some minor distortion which would be rather natural to any model like this.
Same thing happens with the bombardier model.

[gary]

OK, I show you the UV Map. If can show this, it means I also have the tool to correct it. Call me lazy, but I bought this tool about a month ago, and this is the only thing I can do with it now.
See how the pompon overlaps the sleeve?
Grenadier Drummer

Guard Officer (this one is not pompon, but a thing on the shoulder, or a tiny bit of it)

Do you see the white thing on the top (back) officer's head?
There is also the red circle which came from the cuff on the shoulder. BTW, they are wearing the Interimsuniform, and the drum is modelled on the drum of the 12th Regiment. (I do know how the drum of the 15th should look, but I am using this one for all)

Now I have the opportunity, let me show you the problem with the Füsilier model I mentioned before, which I think is far more serious than all the above.
The half of the front plate kind of repeats itself overlapping the left half, which inhibits me from making a symmetric plate.
So I was not talking about some minor distortion which would be rather natural to any model like this.
Same thing happens with the bombardier model.

i also noticed that the gun crew textures seem to have duplicate buttons,,, this could be a gloss-file. not fitting properly but on the left i see duplicates and on the right i see duplicates of buttons on tunics

[Biggus Splenus]

Since some people seem to be interested in Jäger, I made Feldjäger zu Fuß for Preußens Gloria.
I used dragoons' model for men, and Guard officer's model for the officer. I didn't add lace to the hat of the men, so it's mid or late SYW.

WOW, would you be able to upload that for me?

[Megasalexandros]

i also noticed that the gun crew textures seem to have duplicate buttons,,, this could be a gloss-file. not fitting properly but on the left i see duplicates and on the right i see duplicates of buttons on tunics

In the new version i have uploaded ,i have corrected that issue it was a gloss file problem

Menzel and Kaunitz check this version of the tricorn hat for both cavalry and infantry

OK, I show you the UV Map. If can show this, it means I also have the tool to correct it. Call me lazy, but I bought this tool about a month ago, and this is the only thing I can do with it now.
See how the pompon overlaps the sleeve?
Grenadier Drummer

Guard Officer (this one is not pompon, but a thing on the shoulder, or a tiny bit of it)

Do you see the white thing on the top (back) officer's head?
There is also the red circle which came from the cuff on the shoulder. BTW, they are wearing the Interimsuniform, and the drum is modelled on the drum of the 12th Regiment. (I do know how the drum of the 15th should look, but I am using this one for all)

Now I have the opportunity, let me show you the problem with the Füsilier model I mentioned before, which I think is far more serious than all the above.
The half of the front plate kind of repeats itself overlapping the left half, which inhibits me from making a symmetric plate.
So I was not talking about some minor distortion which would be rather natural to any model like this.
Same thing happens with the bombardier model.

Yes i know that configuration of the uvmap was one that i adopted because it worked for most of the units
As for the plate of the fusilier caps i am not sure whats exactly wrong, i havent understood that completely yet ,i believe you mean the lower edges of the front plate?


By the way REALLY NICE TEXTURES,but why the officer of the 15th doesnt have a ringkragen?

Check the link bellow i have made a correct uvmap the white thing above from his hat should now be gone and it also has a correct modelled ringkragen like the non guard officers that ive send you

[gary]

In the new version i have uploaded ,i have corrected that issue it was a gloss file problem

Menzel and Kaunitz check this version of the tricorn hat for both cavalry and infantry





Yes i know that configuration of the uvmap was one that i adopted because it worked for most of the units
As for the plate of the fusilier caps i am not sure whats exactly wrong, i havent understood that completely yet ,i believe you mean the lower edges of the front plate?


By the way REALLY NICE TEXTURES,but why the officer of the 15th doesnt have a ringkragen?

Check the link bellow i have made a correct uvmap the white thing above from his hat should now be gone and it also has a correct modelled ringkragen like the non guard officers that ive send you

ah ok ate so have you updated it

[gary]

i was wondering why did not give the Cuirassiers trumpeter as they would have had no breastplate but regimental tunic?

[Megasalexandros]

i was wondering why did not give the Cuirassiers trumpeter as they would have had no breastplate but regimental tunic?

Basicly because when i decided to make the prussians the trumpeteers were not within my plans and because i didnt had any depictions of them in order to make them correctly ,afterwards when Menzel came along and he could provide me with the historical material i deemed the trumpeteers for cavalry as an unnecessary secondary unit and i was also too tired to begin making them

[Bluthand]

Basicly because when i decided to make the prussians the trumpeteers were not within my plans and because i didnt had any depictions of them in order to make them correctly ,afterwards when Menzel came along and he could provide me with the historical material i deemed the trumpeteers for cavalry as an unnecessary secondary unit and i was also too tired to begin making them

Here are some Kürassiere and a text from osprey Book "Osprey, Men-at-Arms 236 - Frederick the Great's Army (1) Cavalry"

Osprey, Men-at-Arms #236 - Frederick the Great's Army (1) Cavalry


This text are in german






i hope this help, or you go on this page

http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...my#Cuirassiers

and for the colors this side

http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...e=Colour_Chart

[Kaunitz]

Here are my remarks on the shape of the tricorn of the 1750s. A very complicated hat!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tricorn A
Tricorn "A" shows a very curved type, of which Morier paints a lot. The tips of the hat are all very "high" (see sideview) and lie very close to the cap of the hat (see view from above) which in turn means that there's lots of excessive brim left which has to be dealt with by bending and curving. The view from above shows how much the brim is bent "inwards" on the cap, so that there's hardly any cap left to see for the eye.

Tricorn B
This one shows a less curved type. Most prominently, the back brim of the hat is a straight line and the hat as whole has the shape of an almost perfect triangle. The tips at the back are very "low", almost at the base line of the hat. And they are not situated as close to the cap as in tricorn type "A". The front tip, however, is very "high" and close to the cap, but the excessive brim is allowed to level off to the back tips.

On period paintings of the 1750s, you can find every gradation between type A and type B, probably tending to type B (low back tips) towards the end of the war?

Tricorn C
This is the current one of the Preußens Gloria prussians. Note how (in contrast to A and B) the line drawn between the two back tips actually crosses the circle of the cap (view from above). This hat has a resemblance to the hats worn by the British during the American revolution (the two side tips were even more "open"), but not a hat of the 1750s. Regarding the the british hat: Take away the front tip completely and bend the side tips (they're no back tips anymore...) to the front and you'll end up with a napoleon-style bicorn. Also notice that the side tips are almost below the base line of the hat, enabling us to see the cap even if seen from the side. We wouldn't see such a hat in the 1750s.







PS: This reenactor got it spot on!

So, to sum it up, my only suggestion is:
1. Shift the two back tips further to the back/rear, so that the line drawn between them doesn't cross the cap anymore. The line might very well touch, but not cross the cap, for then the back brim will have to be bent forwards and thereby give the hat the wrong look ("C"). The back brim is supposed to be either straight ("B") or even bent to the rear ("A"). Everything else (the height of the tips and their distance from the cap) doesn't matter. There were all kind of variances and gradations. Depending on how low or high you set the back tips, however, you will have to deal with the excessive brim by bending it inwards above the cap. You can also see a bit excessive brim on Wangrins hat, but it's less than in your recent hat-blueprint because Wangrin has bent the brims much more.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I've indicated the positions of the back tips for several (exaggerated *g*) variances of hat type C and A, B

[gary]

Basicly because when i decided to make the prussians the trumpeteers were not within my plans and because i didnt had any depictions of them in order to make them correctly ,afterwards when Menzel came along and he could provide me with the historical material i deemed the trumpeteers for cavalry as an unnecessary secondary unit and i was also too tired to begin making them

ah OK mate.

[gary]

If you have any info on the dragoons trumpeters i can give them a go for you as i have my photoshop up and running now. then you can have them for your mod al just have play about.

[Bluthand]

If you have any info on the dragoons trumpeters i can give them a go for you as i have my photoshop up and running now. then you can have them for your mod al just have play about.

look here http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...rmann_Dragoons

[Megasalexandros]

Here are my remarks on the shape of the tricorn of the 1750s. A very complicated hat!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tricorn A
Tricorn "A" shows a very curved type, of which Morier paints a lot. The tips of the hat are all very "high" (see sideview) and lie very close to the cap of the hat (see view from above) which in turn means that there's lots of excessive brim left which has to be dealt with by bending and curving. The view from above shows how much the brim is bent "inwards" on the cap, so that there's hardly any cap left to see for the eye.

Tricorn B
This one shows a less curved type. Most prominently, the back brim of the hat is a straight line and the hat as whole has the shape of an almost perfect triangle. The tips at the back are very "low", almost at the base line of the hat. And they are not situated as close to the cap as in tricorn type "A". The front tip, however, is very "high" and close to the cap, but the excessive brim is allowed to level off to the back tips.

On period paintings of the 1750s, you can find every gradation between type A and type B, probably tending to type B (low back tips) towards the end of the war?

Tricorn C
This is the current one of the Preußens Gloria prussians. Note how (in contrast to A and B) the line drawn between the two back tips actually crosses the circle of the cap (view from above). This hat has a resemblance to the hats worn by the British during the American revolution (the two side tips were even more "open"), but not a hat of the 1750s. Regarding the the british hat: Take away the front tip completely and bend the side tips (they're no back tips anymore...) to the front and you'll end up with a napoleon-style bicorn. Also notice that the side tips are almost below the base line of the hat, enabling us to see the cap even if seen from the side. We wouldn't see such a hat in the 1750s.







PS: This reenactor got it spot on!

So, to sum it up, my only suggestion is:
1. Shift the two back tips further to the back/rear, so that the line drawn between them doesn't cross the cap anymore. The line might very well touch, but not cross the cap, for then the back brim will have to be bent forwards and thereby give the hat the wrong look ("C"). The back brim is supposed to be either straight ("B") or even bent to the rear ("A"). Everything else (the height of the tips and their distance from the cap) doesn't matter. There were all kind of variances and gradations. Depending on how low or high you set the back tips, however, you will have to deal with the excessive brim by bending it inwards above the cap. You can also see a bit excessive brim on Wangrins hat, but it's less than in your recent hat-blueprint because Wangrin has bent the brims much more.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I've indicated the positions of the back tips for several (exaggerated *g*) variances of hat type C and A, B

OHH MY GODS my head aches!
Thats a nice explanation but i really cant understand 2 very basic things, firstly ,what do i have to correct from the recently made hat , and secondly what is exactly different between the hat of the reenactor you have posted and the hat in the picture i've send you.
Whats the brim for eg

This is the best that i could come up with according to what i have understood from what you've said

If you have any info on the dragoons trumpeters i can give them a go for you as i have my photoshop up and running now. then you can have them for your mod al just have play about.

Thanks for the suggestion and the offer Gary, iam sure that A_MENZEL has something on the dragoon trumpeteers, and iam also sure that when he sees your request he will post them

look here http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...rmann_Dragoons

Nice sources Bluthand