Sweden

[Karlzone]

Alright, sinople asked me to create a topic about Sweden during the timeframe of the mod. In 1070, Sweden wasn't a unified nation. There were two houses who were fighting each other throughout the 12th century, Erikska ätten (House of Erik), Sverkerska ätten (House of Sverker) and the Svear.

Using a picture from the map preview, the house of Erik would control the pink(ish) region in Sweden (the settlement could be named Jönköping, even though it technically wasn't founded at the start of the mod. I could elaboate if you wish.) and the House of Sverker would control the Purple region (Kalmar). The rest would be rebel regions, save the southernmost region (Skåne, settlement name Lund), which should belong to Denmark.

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If we want to be hostorically correct, the House of Erik should change name to Folkkungaätten (Folkkings or House of Folke) by 1250. The Kalmar Union feature could be used to unify the House of Sverker and the House of Folke into the Kingdom of Sweden.



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From left to right: House of Erik, House of Sverker (the red Sheild), Folkkings/House of Folke.

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[sinople]

When exactly Sweden became unified ?

Can we figure it as an emerging faction and what would be the historical event to trigger it ?

Thanks (+rep)

[Mithrandir]

Being Swedish, I might as well chip in (I also know Karl in person ). Sweden would make sense as an emergent faction, the problem is that historically, Sweden didn't become unified until 1523, under king Gustav Vasa, who drove out the Danish king Kristian II. If you're worried about running out of faction slots, I suppose Sweden could be represented by one of the early houses instead of both.

[Karlzone]

Sweden was united in Kalmar Union 1397 and included in the union are Sweden, Denmark and Norway. Sweden left the union 1521 (when they kickt out the Danish king) and become Sweden. My proposal is that Kalmar Union will be founded just like in kingdoms but with the Swedish factions to.

[Javelin]

Sweden was united in Kalmar Union 1397 and included in the union are Sweden, Denmark and Norway. Sweden left the union 1521 (when they kickt out the Danish king) and become Sweden. My proposal is that Kalmar Union will be founded just like in kingdoms but with the Swedish factions to.

Actually Sweden was unified in 970 by Erik Segersäll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_the_Victorious

Sweden later joined the Kalmar union with Norway and Denmark but as the danish king asserted his claim to Sweden by force of arms, Gustav Vasa drove the danes out in the Swedish war of liberation.

[Peanut2bigforyou]

Actually Sweden was unified in 970 by Erik Segersäll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_the_Victorious

Sweden later joined the Kalmar union with Norway and Denmark but as the danish king asserted his claim to Sweden by force of arms, Gustav Vasa drove the danes out in the Swedish war of liberation.

There were also Crusades having to do with the Kingdom of Sweden, so I would say Sweden would be more important, unless you've already decided. Also, Sweden became a very strong nation after the introduction of gunpowder, so if this game goes that far time-wise, then Sweden is a must.

[Mithrandir]

A Kalmar union with three factions?
Interesting, but is it possible?

[Karlzone]

Actually the Kalmar union looked like this

[sinople]

We have no remaining faction slots, but we can use the one of Sweden to create a Kalmar union, what do you think ?

[Karlzone]

In 1397 or like in Teutonic campaign?

[Mithrandir]

We have no remaining faction slots, but we can use the one of Sweden to create a Kalmar union, what do you think ?

Sure, that'd be a fair compromise.

[sinople]

Ok, let's go with that Idea.

What conditions do you think would be better to make the Kalmar union appear ? (= what triggers ?)

[Mithrandir]

If Sweden (Folkkings/House of Folke), Norway and Denmark ally each other, they should merge and form the Kalmar Union.

[sinople]

Ok, but Sweden doesn't exist and we said we take the Sweden slot for Kalmar ?

[Mithrandir]

Ok, but Sweden doesn't exist and we said we take the Sweden slot for Kalmar ?

I'd be more accurate if we included one of the Swedish houses.

[sinople]

Okay, so let's go for a Swedish House and let's forget Kalmar ?

[Mithrandir]

Okay, so let's go for a Swedish House and let's forget Kalmar ?

Unless we can have both, a Swedish House would probably be the best way to go.

[helmersen]

So, we are copying Arn, are we? But seriously, that's some good ideas

[Karlzone]

I think you should take Folkkings/House of Folke that’s most historical correct

[Mithrandir]

I think you should take Folkkings/House of Folke that’s most historical correct

Agreed.