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    Guy Gibson will talk like General Melchid.

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    The irony about the british cavalry officer is that he did exist. There was a cavalry officer in the South that commited war crimes. But he was... American.

    I don't remember his name but he fought in flanking and in the rearguard. He came across a number of unarmed loyalists, killed half of them and sent the rest into the forests.
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    Tarleton? He was British and didn't take prisoners. That's pretty much it.

    There was another guy who fought in the swamps with freed slaves and was a of a guerrilla sort. Is that who you're talking about?

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    The Patriot was the most historically accurate movie I've seen in a while. I have such respect for Mel Gibson and his attention to detail.

    Like in Braveheart, when the Battle of Stirling Bridge totally had a bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayman View Post
    Tarleton? He was British and didn't take prisoners. That's pretty much it.

    I think he's refering to Colonel Henry Lee, who initiated Pyle's massacre. Tarleton was bone-headed and too aggressive but his tactics where not unusual considering his position in Cornwallis's Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    The Patriot was the most historically accurate movie I've seen in a while. I have such respect for Mel Gibson and his attention to detail.

    Like in Braveheart, when the Battle of Stirling Bridge totally had a bridge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    The Patriot was the most historically accurate movie I've seen in a while. I have such respect for Mel Gibson and his attention to detail.

    Like in Braveheart, when the Battle of Stirling Bridge totally had a bridge.
    Big difference: In The Patriot, Gibson had no real creative control over anything but his own character. He wasn't the director.

    Unlike in Braveheart, wherein he was the director and producer and lead actor.
    But that film wasn't meant to be historically accurate, unlike Patriot. It was meant to be an emotional piece of filmmaking that would generate sympathy and enthusiasm for Scottish national-romanticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Big difference: In The Patriot, Gibson had no real creative control over anything but his own character. He wasn't the director.

    Unlike in Braveheart, wherein he was the director and producer and lead actor.
    But that film wasn't meant to be historically accurate, unlike Patriot. It was meant to be an emotional piece of filmmaking that would generate sympathy and enthusiasm for Scottish national-romanticism.
    Good point, but I dont actually care about the historical accuracy. I just wanted to do that sterling bridge joke

    I like good entertainment and they're both entertaining movies. Of course, if they're claiming historical accuracy on the other hand, it deserves to be put in it's own circle of hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    But that film wasn't meant to be historically accurate, unlike Patriot.
    Can you elaborate how you came to the conclusion that Braveheart didn't want to but the Patriot did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Big difference: In The Patriot, Gibson had no real creative control over anything but his own character. He wasn't the director.

    Unlike in Braveheart, wherein he was the director and producer and lead actor.
    But that film wasn't meant to be historically accurate, unlike Patriot. It was meant to be an emotional piece of filmmaking that would generate sympathy and enthusiasm for Scottish national-romanticism.
    Great why couldn't they have just done Robert the Bruce then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    Apparently it's so inaccurate that the reenactors doing the battlescense left the filming...

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    the movie cost $110 million to make and it made $215 million i say it was success

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    Holy necroposting, Batman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbharro View Post
    the movie cost $110 million to make and it made $215 million i say it was success
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbharro View Post
    the movie cost $110 million to make and it made $215 million i say it was success
    The Donald Trump presidential campaign have also been a major success so far. But that does not mean that he provides a historically accurate presentation of America.

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    Glad someone else necroed this so I can make a point (although I don't think it was quite dead, just a bit rotty).

    Everyone has different tastes and that is fine but for some people, me included, historical accuracy is fundamentally linked to the enjoyment of a movie. The reasons for that could be many, complex and possibly different for different people. I don't think it is fair to dismiss these views as pedantic and beardy without giving it due thought.

    I also think it is dangerous to dismiss as fools the people whose understanding of history is greatly influenced by such movies. It seems to me to be common even among the educated elite and we are all susceptible to these influences in subtle ways that we may not even be aware of.

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