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    Default 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    I have noticed that the EB team (certain members, anyways) has discarded the appearance of the lorica segmentata in the mod. But even though this had been discussed before I want to write my 5 reasons why i think its just too important to be left out.

    1. The lorica segmentata is an iconic symbol of Roman military at its greatest and was extensively used the time of Emperor Trajan around 100 AD. The mod does not go that far, by it should, because this is when Rome reached its greatest expansion during this time. If we want to be fear to all factions Rome should get the time to reach at least its greatest glory. No only that but the Roman Empire could have been far greater, and the map extending to India gives the player a chance to go beyond the actual empire. If the Empire would have continued to expand I'm positive the Lorica segmentata would have been used more and more.

    2. The lorica segmentata was used at least by half the army and there's even archeological evidence that suggests that even auxiliary units used them at one point. Even though the lorica hamata remained standard, if the lorica segmentata was used by at least half the army, that is still a large amount of troops.

    3. The Medieval armor upgrade feature is excellent to represent the historic accuracy of the LS. The LS should be put as the highest form of armor and we all know that to put the highest form of armor in M2 takes an extremely long amount of time. Just to reach the highest level armors takes many turns' worth of building construction and then chances are you only have the highest armor producing facilities in like 2 provinces and only a few number of troops get to have the actual upgrade. Well i think this would work perfect to upgrade the armor of the cohorts using the m2 system, and the player would get the LS very late in game, but it would worth it, some might even want to play to the end just to see their cohorts in majestic LS armor. Just because 'fan boys' love the LS so much that doesn't make it historically inaccurate.

    4. While historical accuracy is excellent and we all want it, there's still the possibility that the Roman Empire could have used the LS more and sooner, had the empire expanded quicker (with less civil wars, etc...) And the player can change the course of history, so a Roman army with the LS in 50 BC, for example could have been a possibility if things would have gone differently.

    5. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the some EB team members make it seem like the LS is the devil and they hate the idea of including it in the mod when it would be a something that is not only historically accurate, but also would please a lot of fans.

    Whether you decided to include LS in EBII, this is still a great mod and thank you for the effort to make it work on Medieval, it will not only be the best mod for Med2 but also will make Med2-EBII the best rome-era game ever. Again, in no way am I trying to criticize your work just adding my two cents.

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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    1. The mod covers the period from the unification of Italy to the birth of the Empire, about 90 before LS introduction at least.

    2.Again, not during this time period

    3.true enough, but that's extra modelling for a late-game feature.

    4.The civil war period actually formed the empire, the republican system was unsuitable for ruling a large empire like Rome's

    5.No, It's just not present in the time period they are covering, and considering the depth of detail they go into, the inclusion of LS would be inconsistent.
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    If the team went beyond the standard time period they'd have to include a good number of new fations and details that didn't exist before. This is why they left it this way, but you could still mod the mod.

    Nº 1 reason to include the lorica segmantata: It looks awsome!

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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    Would be a shame leaving out the 'typical roman appearance', in the biggest Rome mod to Medieval2..

    Im for the suggestion, but ofcourse its not up to us..

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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    EB might have been build upon RTW, but it doesn't put Rome in the spotlight. All factions are equally treated and giving one of them an ahistorical feature, would be unfair to the others. Or are you suggesting that the Sweboz for example should get their OMGZERKERS back?
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    What is this, the eighth or ninth time this issue has been raised? Is there some shadowy Lorica Segementata global action group that's out to poison historical accuracy, or something?

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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    Well I bet that it's even bigger than that, John-117 probably controls a huge network of people who want every piece of 'popular history' used in the game.

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    I'd take all these 'Put LS in the mod' requests more seriously if only the people who make them knew that 'Segmentata' was not the name that the Romans use for this armour.

    The Byzantines used Greek fire extensively: should we put that in the mod as well?
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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    I'll make a submod with LS in Polybian era. And four Roman factions. So no worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggthief View Post
    EB might have been build upon RTW, but it doesn't put Rome in the spotlight. All factions are equally treated and giving one of them an ahistorical feature, would be unfair to the others. Or are you suggesting that the Sweboz for example should get their OMGZERKERS back?
    1-The ls is certainly not ahistorical

    2-Forget about the OMGZERKERS, the Sweboz already have two-handed giant-sword weilders in EB1

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Cursed View Post
    What is this, the eighth or ninth time this issue has been raised? Is there some shadowy Lorica Segementata global action group that's out to poison historical accuracy, or something?
    Again, the romans did use the ls, even if not in the mod's time period.

    Quote Originally Posted by oudysseos View Post
    I'd take all these 'Put LS in the mod' requests more seriously if only the people who make them knew that 'Segmentata' was not the name that the Romans use for this armour.

    The Byzantines used Greek fire extensively: should we put that in the mod as well?
    1-Do you know what it was?

    2-Byzantines??
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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    Yes well, should the factions in greece get flamethrowers in that case? Or wait, should the Gallic tribes get knights in plate armor? After all those existed in those areas, just in a different time. Shorter said, you try to defy logic and you fail big time at it.

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    1-The ls is certainly not ahistorical
    Its not , but the date you want to put the LS in is AHISTORICAL.

    2-Forget about the OMGZERKERS, the Sweboz already have two-handed giant-sword weilders in EB1



    Again, the romans did use the ls, even if not in the mod's time period.
    No , they did Not.

    2-Byzantines??
    Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

    Quote Originally Posted by eggthief View Post
    Yes well, should the factions in greece get flamethrowers in that case? Or wait, should the Gallic tribes get knights in plate armor? After all those existed in those areas, just in a different time. Shorter said, you try to defy logic and you fail big time at it.
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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    How about Camel Cataphract Archers with golden LS on them.

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    or Romans that steamroll the world...... oh wait never mind they actually did exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by delra View Post
    How about Camel Cataphract Archers with golden LS on them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Deimos View Post
    or Romans that steamroll the world...... oh wait never mind they actually did exist
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    Default Re: 5 Reasons to include the Lorica Segmantata in EBII

    Quote Originally Posted by eggthief View Post
    Yes well, should the factions in greece get flamethrowers in that case? Or wait, should the Gallic tribes get knights in plate armor? After all those existed in those areas, just in a different time. Shorter said, you try to defy logic and you fail big time at it.
    The Greeks invented the flamethrower during the Golden Age of the Greeks. A hollow log with bellows at one end, a bowl of tar and oil and other flammable crap at the other end aswell as a leather cover. It looked like a battering ram but spewed fire. How's that for different time frame. Why not just include the LS to make a lot of people happy. I don't really mind if it's not but it looks amazing is all. But anyways, you start off in the 3rd Century BC with historically accurate Empires. Whose to say that after 200 years and 800 turns, your Empire will still be perfectly historical.
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