Missing Histories

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

First off, awesome game.....in my opinion cant be compared.
However while i relish the thought of driving the English off American soil and vice versa, and then playing (eventually) the American Indian tribes i have to wonder about CA's finalisation process for choosing the nations involved and have to ask why America??
compared with other nations contribution to the period it seems like a waste for America to be included.....ok before im crucified yes the discovery of the new world and all that, great...but given a whole faction status over some other key and critical powers especially Portugal seems to be wrong.
i mean the Portuguese for one were critical in this period having a full on spat with the dutch(united provinces) for over half a century,whereas the war for independence was a paltry 8 years, ranging all over the colonies and including Spain and England siding with the relative powers, this lead to conflict in Brazil,the east, Africa and also had many key naval encounters which ultimately saw the demise of the Portuguese armada , but more importantly established for the dutch their empire and need i even mention the Portuguese war of restoration which saw the dual monarchy of Spain/Portugal ended and power seized from the Hapsburgs' as well as Portugal involvement in the thirty years war. Not to mention the political and religious implications this had generally in europe and the new world
all of this swapped for the americans seizing independance and throwing out the british, which in my opinion while great as a tutorial and definately worth it for an expansion, doesnt really ring any excitement bells...unless you are american....
myself being of south african and of british decent i enjoy total war because of its scope and accuracy and while yes i understand sega and Ca's need for expanding its scope and customer base from a business point of view i think it is a poor tradeoff for historical accuracy not too mention that we as players are missing a key european power.
ok i do rather relish the thought of invading europe with a huge american armada, but although satisfying the fantastical part of my nature i still think that the tradeoff is poor...again unless you want to see the whole world dominated by the americans...
i live in the hope of one of the great modders (ie darth etc) will hopefully look into this and rectify this flaw that no doubt crept through from the corporate boardroom and onto our pc's....andmaybe just one or two battles of the anglo zulu war.....

Note of Appreciation:
Again CA thank you for this its been upwards of 20 plus years since my cousin and i bought our first 1/72 scale battlesets of napoleonic and colonial era plastic troops....fought for days about the rules and eventually settled on marbles and pee shooters.....this is the type of thing we used to fantasise, talk about and imagine on those long weekend days....
top drawer lads top drawer

[Jihada]

Anglo Zulu war ? 1879 ..great films but wrong period for ETW. As for Americans invading Europe, well my SFship HMS Victory will sink their whole puny fleet on its own.
Agree missing Portugal is a no brainer.

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

ok wrong time period maybe, but as expansion or add-on i'll bet you ten to one we see the US civil war and that was close to the end of the century same as the anglo zulu...

LOl i have no doubt about victory slaying all them yankee bastards....but what i was trying to say is that they rather create a scenario where that is possible rather than have a mjor european power in the mix......
if thats the case i mean why not the incans and aztecs developing gunpowder and taking on spain!!
im just peeved that america has got such a big part in the game where historically they just went about slaughtering the native americans an looking for gold in california/....


Disclaimer: *this is derfiantely not US bashing but rather a serious question as to what role the us played on a global stage before WW1??????

[TSD]

ok wrong time period maybe, but as expansion or add-on i'll bet you ten to one we see the US civil war and that was close to the end of the century same as the anglo zulu...

LOl i have no doubt about victory slaying all them yankee bastards....but what i was trying to say is that they rather create a scenario where that is possible rather than have a mjor european power in the mix......
if thats the case i mean why not the incans and aztecs developing gunpowder and taking on spain!!
im just peeved that america has got such a big part in the game where historically they just went about slaughtering the native americans an looking for gold in california/....


Disclaimer: *this is derfiantely not US bashing but rather a serious question as to what role the us played on a global stage before WW1??????

(From Wiki) From 1775-1800 (time scale of the game) i agree, it would have made more sense to add them in an expansion as I have a feeling any expansion that comes out will extend at least 50 more years, where the US really started getting its feet wet. (So I agree with you, and I am an American)

Mostly internal spats and Indian wars.

1775-1783 - American Revolutionary War
1776-1777 - Second Cherokee War
1777-1794 - Chickamauga wars
1786-1787 - Shays' Rebellion
1794 - Whiskey Rebellion
1798-1800 - Quasi-War, an undeclared naval war with France. This contest included land actions, such as that in the Dominican Republic city of Puerto Plata, where U.S. Marines captured a French privateer under the guns of the forts. Congress authorized military action through a series of statutes.[RL30172]
1799-1800 - Fries's Rebellion, a Pennsylvania protest against war taxes.

and from 1800-1865

1800-1809

1801-1805 - First Barbary War - USS George Washington and USS Philadelphia affairs result in actions against the Barbary pirates responsible. In the Eaton expedition, a few Marines and soldiers landed with United States Agent William Eaton to raise a force against Tripoli in an effort to free the crew of the Philadelphia. Tripoli declared war; the United States did not, although Congress authorized military action by statute.[RL30172]
1806 -- Spanish Mexico - A platoon under Captain Zebulon Pike invaded Spanish territory at the headwaters of the Rio Grande on orders from General James Wilkinson. He was made prisoner without resistance at a fort he constructed in present-day Colorado, taken to Mexico, and later released after seizure of his papers.[RL30172]
Further information: Zebulon Pike#Southwest expedition
1806-10 -- Gulf of Mexico. American gunboats operated from New Orleans against Spanish and French privateers off the Mississippi Delta, chiefly under Captain John Shaw and Master Commandant David Porter.[RL30172]

1810-1819

1810 – West Florida (Spanish territory). Governor William C.C. Claiborne of Louisiana, on orders of President James Madison, occupied with troops territory in dispute east of the Mississippi as far as the Pearl River, later the eastern boundary of Louisiana. He was authorized to seize as far east as the Perdido River.[RL30172]
1812 – Amelia Island and other parts of east Florida, then under Spain. Temporary possession was authorized by President James Madison and by Congress, to prevent occupation by any other power; but possession was obtained by General George Mathews in so irregular a manner that his measures were disavowed by the President.[RL30172]
1812-15 – War of 1812. On June 18, 1812, the United States declared war against the United Kingdom. Among the issues leading to the war were British impressment of American sailors into the Royal Navy, interception of neutral ships and blockades of the United States during British hostilities with France. [RL30172]
1813 – West Florida (Spanish territory). On authority given by Congress, General Wilkinson seized Mobile Bay in April with 600 soldiers. A small Spanish garrison gave way. Thus U.S. troops advanced into disputed territory to the Perdido River, as projected in 1810. No fighting.[RL30172]
1813-14 – Marquesas Islands (French Polynesia). U.S. forces built a fort on the island of Nuku Hiva to protect three prize ships which had been captured from the British.[RL30172]
1814 – Spanish Florida. General Andrew Jackson took Pensacola and drove out the British forces.[RL30172]
1814-25 – Caribbean. Engagements between pirates and American ships or squadrons took place repeatedly especially ashore and offshore about Cuba, Puerto Rico, Santo Domingo, and Yucatan. Three thousand pirate attacks on merchantmen were reported between 1815 and 1823. In 1822, Commodore James Biddle employed a squadron of two frigates, four sloops of war, two brigs, four schooners, and two gunboats in the West Indies.[RL30172]
1815 – Algiers. The Second Barbary War was declared against the United States by the Dey of Algiers of the Barbary states, an act not reciprocated by the United States. Congress did authorize a military expedition by statute. A large fleet under Captain Stephen Decatur attacked Algiers and obtained indemnities.[RL30172]
1815 – Tripoli. After securing an agreement from Algiers, Captain Decatur demonstrated with his squadron at Tunis and Tripoli, where he secured indemnities for offenses during the War of 1812.[RL30172]
1816 – Spanish Florida. United States forces destroyed Negro Fort, which harbored fugitive slaves making raids into United States territory.[RL30172]
1816-18 – Spanish Florida - First Seminole War. The Seminole Indians, whose area was a haven for escaped slaves and border ruffians, were attacked by troops under General Jackson and General Edmond P. Gaines and pursued into northern Florida. Spanish posts were attacked and occupied, British citizens executed. In 1819 the Floridas were ceded to the United States.[RL30172]
1817 – Amelia Island (Spanish territory off Florida). Under orders of President James Monroe, United States forces landed and expelled a group of smugglers, adventurers, and freebooters.[RL30172]
1818 – Oregon. The USS Ontario dispatched from Washington, which made a landing at the mouth of the Columbia River to assert US claims. Britain had conceded sovereignty but Russia and Spain asserted claims to the area.[RL30172] Subsequently, American and British claims to the Oregon Country were resolved with the Oregon Treaty of 1846.[RL30172]

1820-1829

1820-23 -- Africa. Naval units raided the slave traffic pursuant to the 1819 act of Congress. [RL30172][Slave Traffic]
1822 -- Cuba. United States naval forces suppressing piracy landed on the northwest coast of Cuba and burned a pirate station.[RL30172]
1823 -- Cuba. Brief landings in pursuit of pirates occurred April 8 near Escondido; April 16 near Cayo Blanco; July 11 at Siquapa Bay; July 21 at Cape Cruz; and October 23 at Camrioca.[RL30172]
1824 -- Cuba. In October the USS Porpoise landed bluejackets near Matanzas in pursuit of pirates. This was during the cruise authorized in 1822.[RL30172]
1824 -- Puerto Rico (Spanish territory). Commodore David Porter with a landing party attacked the town of Fajardo which had sheltered pirates and insulted American naval officers. He landed with 200 men in November and forced an apology. Commodore Porter was later court-martialed for overstepping his powers.[RL30172]
1825 -- Cuba. In March cooperating American and British forces landed at Sagua La Grande to capture pirates.[RL30172]
1827 -- Greece. In October and November landing parties hunted pirates on the Mediterranean islands of Argenteire, Myconos, and Andros.[RL30172]

1830-1839

1831-32 – Falkland Islands. Captain Silas Duncan of the USS Lexington investigated the capture of three American sailing vessels and sought to protect American interests.[RL30172]
1832 – Attack on Quallah Battoo, Sumatra, Indonesia - February 6-9. U.S. forces under Commodore John Downes aboard the frigate USS Potomac landed and stormed a fort to punish natives of the town of Quallah Battoo for plundering the American cargo ship Friendship.[RL30172]
1833 – Argentina. - October 31 to November 15. A force was sent ashore at Buenos Aires to protect the interests of the United States and other countries during an insurrection.[RL30172]
1835-36 – Peru. - December 10, 1835, to January 24, 1836, and August 31 to December 7, 1836. Marines protected American interests in Callao and Lima during an attempted revolution.[RL30172]
1836 – Mexico. General James Gaines occupied Nacogdoches, Texas, disputed territory, from July to December during the Texas Revolution, under orders to cross the "imaginary boundary line" if an Indian outbreak threatened.[RL30172]
1838 – The Caroline affair on Navy Island, Canada. After the failure of the Upper Canada Rebellion of 1837 favoring Canadian democracy and independence from the British Empire; William Lyon Mackenzie and his rebels fled to Navy Island where they declared the Republic of Canada. American sympathizers sent supplies on the SS Caroline, which was intercepted by the British and set ablaze, after killing one American. It was falsely reported that dozens of Americans were killed as they were trapped on board, and American forces retaliated by burning a British steamer while it was in U.S. waters.
1838-39 – Sumatra (Indonesia). - December 24, 1838, to January 4, 1839. A naval force landed to punish natives of the towns of Quallah Battoo and Muckie (Mukki) for depredations on American shipping.[RL30172]

1840-1849

1840 – Fiji Islands. - July. Naval forces landed to punish natives for attacking American exploring and surveying parties.[RL30172]
1841 – McKean Island (Drummond Island/Taputenea), Gilbert Islands (Kingsmill Group), Pacific Ocean. A naval party landed to avenge the murder of a seaman by the natives.[RL30172]
1841 – Samoa. - February 24. A naval party landed and burned towns after the murder of an American seaman on Upolu.[RL30172]
1842 – Mexico. Commodore Thomas ap Catesby Jones, in command of a squadron long cruising off California, occupied Monterey, California, on October 19, believing war had come. He discovered peace, withdrew, and saluted. A similar incident occurred a week later at San Diego.[RL30172]
1843 – China. Sailors and marines from the St. Louis were landed after a clash between Americans and Chinese at the trading post in Canton.[RL30172]
1843 – Africa. November 29 to December 16. Four United States vessels demonstrated and landed various parties (one of 200 marines and sailors) to discourage piracy and the slave trade along the Ivory Coast, and to punish attacks by the natives on American seamen and shipping.[RL30172]
1844 – Mexico. President Tyler deployed U.S. forces to protect Texas against Mexico, pending Senate approval of a treaty of annexation. (Later rejected.) He defended his action against a Senate resolution of inquiry.[RL30172]
1846-48 – Mexican-American War On May 13, 1846, the United States recognized the existence of a state of war with Mexico. After the annexation of Texas in 1845, the United States and Mexico failed to resolve a boundary dispute and President Polk said that it was necessary to deploy forces in Mexico to meet a threatened invasion.[RL30172]
1849 – Smyrna (Izmir, Turkey). In July a naval force gained release of an American seized by Austrian officials.[RL30172]

1850-1859

1851 – Turkey. After a massacre of foreigners (including Americans) at Jaffa in January, a demonstration by the Mediterranean Squadron was ordered along the Turkish (Levant) coast.[RL30172]
1851 – Johanns Island (east of Africa). - August. Forces from the U.S. sloop-of-war Dale exacted redress for the unlawful imprisonment of the captain of an American whaling brig.[RL30172]
1852-53 – Argentina. February 3 to 12, 1852; September 17, 1852 to April 1853. Marines were landed and maintained in Buenos Aires to protect American interests during a revolution.[RL30172]
1853 -- Nicaragua. March 11 to 13. US forces landed to protect American lives and interests during political disturbances[RL30172]
1853-54 – Japan. Commodore Matthew Perry and his expedition made a display of force leading to the "opening of Japan."[RL30172]
1853-54 – Ryūkyū and Bonin Islands (Japan). Commodore Matthew Perry on three visits before going to Japan and while waiting for a reply from Japan made a naval demonstration, landing marines twice, and secured a coaling concession from the ruler of Naha on Okinawa; he also demonstrated in the Bonin Islands with the purpose of securing facilities for commerce.[RL30172]
1854 – China. April 4 to June 15 to 17. American and English ships landed forces to protect American interests in and near Shanghai during Chinese civil strife.[RL30172]
1854 – Nicaragua. July 9 to 15. Naval forces bombarded and burned San Juan del Norte (Greytown) to avenge an insult to the American Minister to Nicaragua.[RL30172]
1855 – China. May 19 to 21. U.S. forces protected American interests in Shanghai and, from August 3 to 5 fought pirates near Hong Kong.[RL30172]
1855 – Fiji Islands. September 12 to November 4. An American naval force landed to seek reparations for attacks on American residents and seamen.[RL30172]
1855 – Uruguay. November 25 to 29. United States and European naval forces landed to protect American interests during an attempted revolution in Montevideo.[RL30172]
1856 – Panama, Republic of New Grenada. September 19 to 22. U.S. forces landed to protect American interests during an insurrection.[RL30172]
1856 – China. October 22 to December 6. U.S. forces landed to protect American interests at Canton during hostilities between the British and the Chinese, and to avenge an assault upon an unarmed boat displaying the United States flag.[RL30172]
1857-58 – Utah War. The Utah War was a dispute between Mormon settlers in Utah Territory and the United States federal government. The Mormons and Washington each sought control over the government of the territory, with the national government victorious. The confrontation between the Mormon militia and the U.S. Army involved some destruction of property, but no actual battles between the contending military forces.
1857 – Nicaragua. April to May, November to December. In May Commander Charles H. Davis of the United States Navy, with some marines, received the surrender of William Walker, self-proclaimed president of Nicaragua, who was losing control of the country to forces financed by his former business partner, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and protected his men from the retaliation of native allies who had been fighting Walker. In November and December of the same year United States vessels USS Saratoga, USS Wabash, and Fulton opposed another attempt of William Walker on Nicaragua. Commodore Hiram Paulding's act of landing marines and compelling the removal of Walker to the United States, was tacitly disavowed by Secretary of State Lewis Cass, and Paulding was forced into retirement.[RL30172]
1858 – Uruguay. January 2 to 27. Forces from two United States warships landed to protect American property during a revolution in Montevideo.[RL30172]
1858 – Fiji Islands. October 6 to 16. A marine expedition with the USS Vandalia enacted revenge on natives for the murder of two American citizens at Waya.[RL30172] [] [Vandalia 2]
1858-59 – Turkey. The Secretary of State requested a display of naval force along the Levant after a massacre of Americans at Jaffa and mistreatment elsewhere "to remind the authorities (of Turkey) of the power of the United States."[RL30172]
1859 – Paraguay. Congress authorized a naval squadron to seek redress for an attack on a naval vessel in the Parana River during 1855. Apologies were made after a large display of force.[RL30172]
1859 – Mexico. Two hundred United States soldiers crossed the Rio Grande in pursuit of the Mexican nationalist Juan Cortina.[RL30172] [1859 Mexico]
1859 – China. July 31 to August 2. A naval force landed to protect American interests in Shanghai.[RL30172]

1860-1869

1860 -- Angola, Portuguese West Africa. - March 1. American residents at Kissembo called upon American and British ships to protect lives and property during problems with natives.[RL30172]
1860 -- Colombia, Bay of Panama. - September 27 to October 8. Naval forces landed to protect American interests during a revolution.[RL30172]
1861-65 -- American Civil War A major war between the United States (the Union) and eleven Southern states which declared that they had a right to secession and formed the Confederate States of America.
1863 -- Japan. - July 16. Naval battle of Shimonoseki. The USS Wyoming retaliated against a firing on the American vessel Pembroke at Shimonoseki.[RL30172]
1864 -- Japan. - July 14 to August 3. Naval forces protected the United States Minister to Japan when he visited Yedo to negotiate concerning some American claims against Japan, and to make his negotiations easier by impressing the Japanese with American power.[RL30172]
1864 -- Japan. - September 4 to 14. Naval forces of the United States, Great Britain, France, and the Netherlands compelled Japan and the Prince of Nagato in particular to permit the Straits of Shimonoseki to be used by foreign shipping in accordance with treaties already signed.[RL30172]
1865 -- Panama. - March 9 and 10. US forces protected the lives and property of American residents during a revolution.

[LtChambers]

Instituting and enforcing the Monroe Doctrine early should be lots of fun. Leave America to the Americans!