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    so i know that grenadiers will be in this time frame, but my question is how were they used in real life, and how will they be used in ETW? if they're anything like what they are in AOE III, then i'm reminded of ridiculously overpowered naffatun

    do you think it would be a good idea to have grenadiers have a musket and a limited supply of grenades, or just mostly grenades? discuss!
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    AOE III is rediculous. end of story on that.

    I believe although the name came from their throwing grenades in sieges etc. they were mainly used as an elite infantry unit who were especially fearless and good at close combat, which is how i believe (and hope) theyll be portrayed in the game

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    Do not try to compare AoEIII with ETW differnt gameplay, etc etc..

    Anyways, yes grendies should have nades, but as the game producers said, with muskets and cannons accidently going boom, nades should themselves go boom and kill the grenadiers

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    Quote Originally Posted by xan0therxnumberx View Post
    AOE III is rediculous. end of story on that.
    haha yeah sorry about that. it's just the only game i have set in the empire time frame

    Quote Originally Posted by xan0therxnumberx View Post
    I believe although the name came from their throwing grenades in sieges etc. they were mainly used as an elite infantry unit who were especially fearless and good at close combat, which is how i believe (and hope) theyll be portrayed in the game
    so would they get grenades only during sieges? i kinda liked the idea of having the ability to throw like 3 volleys of grenades, only they were incredibly dangerous to the grenadiers and short range
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    Probably.

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    Grenadiers rarely used actual grenades during the 18th century (particularly towards the end where the use of grenades was pretty nonexistent).

    Instead Grenadiers (in keeping with the tradition of being the tallest and strongest men in a regiment) were used as shock troops often in the vanguard of an assault or sometimes even as forlorn hope when assaulting fortifications.

    Grenades began to be phased out in the 18th century due to widespread use of faster firing flintlock muskets. The heyday of the early grenade was during the 17th century where muskets were unwieldy and slow to reload. Casualties were just too heavy when grenadiers assaulted with grenades and not muskets. So the practice was dropped.

    I'm of the opinion that grenadiers should not have grenades given the historical context.

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    if u look at the "landbattles" trailer where the french infantry rush towars the english in a colum(spell) u see small grenades expload(prob a special ability or like the javeline soldiers from rome u toggle "fire at will") but probably like most of the things u need to research the grenades first

    check @ 1:15 in the clip below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SE&v=VPC_J8AKcyE

    they might not be availbe and in use IRL after 1800
    but this game is about changing history and that u have a research tree so i think
    u will be able to research the greandes earlyer in the game depending on what u
    concentrate your research on
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    Quote Originally Posted by sHaggstah View Post
    if u look at the "landbattles" trailer where the french infantry rush towars the english in a colum(spell) u see small grenades expload(prob a special ability or like the javeline soldiers from rome u toggle "fire at will") but probably like most of the things u need to research the grenades first

    check @ 1:15 in the clip below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SE&v=VPC_J8AKcyE

    they might not be availbe and in use IRL after 1800
    but this game is about changing history and that u have a research tree so i think
    u will be able to research the greandes earlyer in the game depending on what u
    concentrate your research on
    I don't know if thoseare grenades or howitzer shells fireing very close lol hard to say...you could be right

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    If you look carefully at that video you'd notice that there are no grenadier units within throwing distance of the French attack column. The unit being charged by the French is one of line infantry - not grenadiers. Those explosions most likely were artillery of some sort.

    Either way if the game implements grenades for grenadiers and models 18th century warfare at all realistically, units deploying grenades would be quickly cut down. Would be a waste of research.
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    hey im just guessing, think the explotions are so close to the ground(but still in the air)
    to be from a canon/mortar/howitzer just my thought (and hopes ofc cause
    grenades would be very helpful vs cavalry

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    I wonder if a unit of Grenadiers will have bigger men than other units. Probably not.

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    I assumed the explosions as the French attack in the trailer was the fougasse being set off, since there didn't seem to be artillery shells coming in or grenades thrown; the ground suddenly starts to explode.

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    Mines?! If CA will give us mines that would be fantastic, it would really heklp mods like mine 1:13 too, but then again so would grenades... I can't see either being implemented though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hross View Post
    Mines?! If CA will give us mines that would be fantastic, it would really heklp mods like mine 1:13 too, but then again so would grenades... I can't see either being implemented though.
    Well, there are mines. Just look at the technology describtion on the homepage. Mines are called fougasse.

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    Orginally, grenadiers used grenades but over the course of the years they became incressingly normal and became a sort of elite shock unit.
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    i hope they just aint too powerful and that i will ever fight an army which is made up only of grenadiers
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    Basically, they should just be better melee troops with a negative effect on morale for enemies. They were no better at shooting, and didnt use grenades for the most part by this point, so they are best used to counter-charge or charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theseus1234 View Post
    so i know that grenadiers will be in this time frame, but my question is how were they used in real life, and how will they be used in ETW? if they're anything like what they are in AOE III, then i'm reminded of ridiculously overpowered naffatun

    do you think it would be a good idea to have grenadiers have a musket and a limited supply of grenades, or just mostly grenades? discuss!
    I thought that grenadiers were just like really strong melee people, I didn't even know that they threw grandes, i suppose the name is a give away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgtwhybrow View Post
    I thought that grenadiers were just like really strong melee people, I didn't even know that they threw grandes, i suppose the name is a give away...
    i'm not sure if 'strong melee' is the right idea: rather they were trained and prepared to be crucial in assaulting enemy positions. I am certainly interested to see what kind of bonuses and weapons they get. I would assume higher morale for starters, because more training + preparedness = resilient morale.

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    Why wouldn't you want them to have grenades at all? There's no variety otherwise...

    I don't mind if they phase out halfway through the game, but they'd be fun to have. Total War games have always had gratuitous grenade-like things anyway. They're fun!

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