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[Caudillo87]

Nice, I can't wait to see more, of course I would like to see some more Romans but I'm a patient man...just don't make me wait too long.

[b257]

I have a question, it is in regards to the timeframe of 872-900, it's a question about armor, eastern roman armor to be exact. What did eastern roman infantry wear under their chainmail? I ask because I'm writing a fantasy story for my creative writing group and its set on a world similar to this time frame and I've been using the information provided by you guys to help me create the setting. So, what did they wear under chainmail? I know kavadion wasn't in use during the late 800's-early 900's, was it some sort of padded jack or some type of heavy shirt? Thanks

[Dr. Jones]

Great little update, thank you!

[AnthoniusII]

Rampate-Cid and Neoptolemos working hard to finish the texts and the unit descriptions for the Pecheneg preview. Since Pechenegs were of Turkic origin (by the generic sence of the term) we are try to use names for their units to be a close as possible to them since there is no available sourse that described Pecheneg "units" or warriors. So please if you have some sourses please share them to us.

[mishkin]

Comming soon!

Definetly, I am going to be this guy.
Thanks again everybody for the excellent work.

[Tureuki]

Rampate-Cid and Neoptolemos working hard to finish the texts and the unit descriptions for the Pecheneg preview. Since Pechenegs were of Turkic origin (by the generic sence of the term) we are try to use names for their units to be a close as possible to them since there is no available sourse that described Pecheneg "units" or warriors. So please if you have some sourses please share them to us.

"Er" means both man and warrior, fitting for tribesmen, "Alp" and "Bagatyr" I guess close in meaning, both used as something like Hero, Brave-Noble Warrior, those nobles had retainers, in later eras they were called "Noker" but I think it was rather a Mongol influence of late era, Yigit(Brave) or Yoldash(Comrade, Companion) would be more fitting terms, Tarkhan is already known I guess, I'm guessing the fitting term for bodyguards would be "Kul"(Servant, sometimes can mean Slave, similar to Ottoman Kapıkulu)

[Heathen Storm]

I have a question, it is in regards to the timeframe of 872-900, it's a question about armor, eastern roman armor to be exact. What did eastern roman infantry wear under their chainmail? I ask because I'm writing a fantasy story for my creative writing group and its set on a world similar to this time frame and I've been using the information provided by you guys to help me create the setting. So, what did they wear under chainmail? I know kavadion wasn't in use during the late 800's-early 900's, was it some sort of padded jack or some type of heavy shirt? Thanks

Well, that is a really tough question. The medieval Gambeson (clicky!) came about in the late 10th century, although it is thought to be around much much earlier. There is also the subarmalis of the ancient Roman period, however I don't know if this was continued into the Eastern Roman Empire.

[b257]

Well, that is a really tough question. The medieval Gambeson (clicky!) came about in the late 10th century, although it is thought to be around much much earlier. There is also the subarmalis of the ancient Roman period, however I don't know if this was continued into the Eastern Roman Empire.

Thanks for the info Heathen, gives me a good Idea of what to work with.

[neoptolemos]

Of course there was a "gambeson" style cloth in ERE.
It was called "kamvadion" or "Vamvakion" (Vamvax=Cotton in Greek).
It was used underneath the lorikion (Lorica=cuirass) or standalone as armour:



Apart from these there were leather cuirases' which were worn either underneath or above the main cuirass and special cloths for underneath.
There was also a military overcoat called "Sagion" (Latin:Sagum)

[Larsel]

Anthoniusll are there any news on when the mod will be released?? Been waiting sooo long for the mod and im looking very much forward for the release

[Bladelok]

Anthoniusll are there any news on when the mod will be released?? Been waiting sooo long for the mod and im looking very much forward for the release

Well, I doubt that a release date can be brought up, I mean, by the looks of it there is still a lot of work to be done.

Basically, the mod will be released when it is ready.

[AnthoniusII]

"Er" means both man and warrior, fitting for tribesmen, "Alp" and "Bagatyr" I guess close in meaning, both used as something like Hero, Brave-Noble Warrior, those nobles had retainers, in later eras they were called "Noker" but I think it was rather a Mongol influence of late era, Yigit(Brave) or Yoldash(Comrade, Companion) would be more fitting terms, Tarkhan is already known I guess, I'm guessing the fitting term for bodyguards would be "Kul"(Servant, sometimes can mean Slave, similar to Ottoman Kapıkulu)

Yes we allready add Tarkan/Tarkhan...Bulgarian roster already has "Bagatur" as unit..We could use it side bt side with Alp for Pechenegs as well.
The rest of sugestions are also very helpfull! Neo!!!!!! take care of these sugestions please!

Of course there was a "gambeson" style cloth in ERE.
It was called "kamvadion" or "Vamvakion" (Vamvax=Cotton in Greek).
It was used underneath the lorikion (Lorica=cuirass) or standalone as armour:



Apart from these there were leather cuirases' which were worn either underneath or above the main cuirass and special cloths for underneath.
There was also a military overcoat called "Sagion" (Latin:Sagum)

This..^^^

Anthoniusll are there any news on when the mod will be released?? Been waiting sooo long for the mod and im looking very much forward for the release

Well, I doubt that a release date can be brought up, I mean, by the looks of it there is still a lot of work to be done.

Basically, the mod will be released when it is ready.

This ^^^
Basicaly we have a lot of work to do indeed.
Real life issues keep most of us occupied (now or in the future for me atleast )...
But we need relatevly few more units to complete the 3d phase of the mod.
We need a lot of campaign scripters though...
Building coders etc...since our own ar erather inactive lately.

[AnthoniusII]

Banner carrier teaser.


The unit is a mix of Matthaeus' and Koultouras' creations.
Ussing also Sumskilz's and Pacco's ellements and parts!

[tomySVK]

Excellent update and very interesting unit

[Stath's]

beautiful!!

[demagogos nicator]

Amazing

[AnthoniusII]

And here how a Tulunid bannerman looks like :


The unit is a mix ?(by me) of Matthaeus' and Koultouras' creations.
Ussing also Sumskilz's and Pacco's ellements and parts!

[mishkin]

nice grassland, nice horse, nice soldier, nice banner, nice moon... I mean great!

[AnthoniusII]

Banner textures are ready for Tullunids and Abbasids.
But the model consepts have the progress they should have ussing those two as placeholders untill te rest will be ready too.
"Royal" banners of Tullunids

and Abbasids.


Unit models and textures by Matthaeus.
Banner textures by Matthaeus
Banner 3d model by Koultouras.
Finall consept by AnthoniusII.

[druzhina345]

Lombard knights in an early 11th Century De rerum naturis


Lombard King Rotario Dictating the Law, Codex Legum Longobardorum, 11th century


David in a Polirone Psalter, northern Italy, before 1086AD


"Charlemagne's chess set", Norman Southern Italy, end of the eleventh century
. An Italo-Norman knight chess piece
Italo-Norman Heavy Cavalryman by Ian Heath based on these chess pieces


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Lombard knights in an early 11th Century De rerum naturis
Lombard King Rotario Dictating the Law, Codex Legum Longobardorum, 11th century
David in a Polirone Psalter, northern Italy, before 1086AD
"Charlemagne's chess set", Norman Southern Italy, end of the eleventh century

Druzhina345
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers