DHRR v0.8 Previews

[\Vazul's Ghost/]

Awesome features. Medieval II will actually be a three dimesnional game, that involves management and evolution of factions on a scale deeper then just: "scotland takes york, england takes edinburgh, no more scottish nobles, england WIN".

Fantastic work guys, question; sorry I may have missed this but is Dimitri still on the team?

[konny]

Awesome features. Medieval II will actually be a three dimesnional game

It still requires some roleplaying by the player, but this title system is the foundation that will be able to control a lot of other stuff in the future.

Fantastic work guys, question; sorry I may have missed this but is Dimitri still on the team?

He has officialy retired as mod leader, but is still with us.

[\Vazul's Ghost/]

Hmmmm. Well, Dimitri certainly had quite a swansong, DHHR is a fantastic mod, & 0.7 provided me and many other gamers with a completely unique immersive gameplay experiance. You can't get a more well deserved retirement then Dimitri's, besides it seems the work continues as magnificently as ever. All I can say is congratulations to Dimitri for creating such a great mod and congrats to the team for continuing it so skillfully!

[Pnutmaster]

I'm most interested in how you've influenced faction heir selection

[dome]

hello!

first of all congrats! But can I ask how did you make the 2 handed spearmen? Or is this a pikemen?

d.

[HannibalExMachina]

its indeed a pikeman, using the halberd animation.

[pchalk]

EPIC AWESOME

[Halvar von Flake]

Great! +rep
Any idea when 0.8 will be released? Weeks? Months? 0r Years?

[konny]

Rather months than years.

[Halvar von Flake]

Thanks for reply, konny! I will stay tuned...
...good luck!

[Itachi Uchiha]

sounds good.
i'd give u rep, but i dont know how...

[enyk90]

Hi I'm new at this forum, but I already have been playing all the mods of ''Das Heilige Römische Reich'' and it's unbelievable how many work you spent in it!

So first of all: THANK YOU


But I have a question about the map of your mod:

In all versions i played your map was pretty nice done, but isn't it time to bring in the ''Deutschritter Orden''?

I mean, they've been a member in the empire.

And anyways, I please you to put in Poznań(Posen) as a settlement (city) under the Polish kingdom, because it lies close to Gniezno(Gnesen= Akt von Gnesen-Kroenung Bolesławs zum ersten Koenig Polens). But I'd prefer Posen because the Germans and the Poles where fighting for this settlement during all time.

And is it possible that familiemembers can rebel more often because a look of polish history is enough to see that in the middle ages there always have been problems with getting the next faction leader when the King has had more than one biological son.

To this Blood-thing:

So i think that every royal title ( high noble class) has to be given by the current faction heir like for example August Mocny ( August der starke- von Sachsen ). In a documentary about him is shown that he carried for every kid he had. They all were in noble class.

In addition to this it could be more realistic if every new faction leader has to be crowned in the capital of the faction he's going to lead ( something like the ''Romzug'')- to get more popular and so on.

Or.. If the current King of a faction dies the first who ''gets'' the crown will be the new king even if someone else actually should be the new leader - could be a nice situation for a civil war or not?
- but I know that this could be hard to realize right?

Will it be possible to make that Austria can rise up to the Kaiserreich-Oesterreich'' ??

And one last question:
How long is the long Campaign set? Until the Turks reach Vienna? Becaus if the campaing should be as long as this, you could add the winged Hussars??

But anyways.. I know that your mod is going to be cool

greeting to all.

[konny]

In all versions i played your map was pretty nice done, but isn't it time to bring in the ''Deutschritter Orden''?

The game starts in 1080 and we are focusing on the early periode for now. In this case the stem duchies would be more important. The dramatic changes in Germany until 1300, when nearly all the old duchies had collapsed and new factors, like the Hanse or the Orden, appeared on the scene cannot be realised in a satisfing way by scripting due to the faction limit.

And is it possible that familiemembers can rebel more often

We are working on it, but it's really a problem of the engine: it is even difficult to get a FM with 1 Loyalty rebelling.

So i think that every royal title ( high noble class) has to be given by the current faction heir like for example August Mocny ( August der starke- von Sachsen ). In a documentary about him is shown that he carried for every kid he had. They all were in noble class.

Well, August der Starke and Absolutism is a bit outside our timeframe, isn't it? All Medieval titles were either inherited (usual) or granted by the king (rare).

In addition to this it could be more realistic if every new faction leader has to be crowned in the capital of the faction he's going to lead ( something like the ''Romzug'')- to get more popular and so on.

Not possible for the AI.

Will it be possible to make that Austria can rise up to the Kaiserreich-Oesterreich'' ??

Our timeframe doesn't include the year 1806, so no way for that.

How long is the long Campaign set? Until the Turks reach Vienna? Becaus if the campaing should be as long as this, you could add the winged Hussars??

Again, dHRR is a High Middle Ages Mod with a special focus on Central Europe. It is not possible to re-create the entire German History with one mod.

[\Vazul's Ghost/]

Absolutely brilliant work. And actually very simple too, beautifully so in fact because picking and assigning the titles is straightforward and realistic, therefore it will never become a headache to assign titles like it sometimes did in v0.7. Fantastic!

[Silesian_Noble]

Good to see you progressing. Though I must say I’m pretty disappointed with your latest preview. I mean you are HRR Mod, so I expected you would improve primarily factions which history was closely bounded with HRE, while I can see you are developing Scots… I’m very happy you included such important faction as Polabians, but I can’t look at how poorly you represent them. And they were so important for HRE! Maybe you need some assistance for this faction? I’ve got some good knowledge and ideas for Polabian units. And generally I’m interested in cooperation with you guys. You can check my mod here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=144354 If you can see sense in our cooperation – please let me know

[konny]

Good to see you progressing. Though I must say I’m pretty disappointed with your latest preview. I mean you are HRR Mod, so I expected you would improve primarily factions which history was closely bounded with HRE, while I can see you are developing Scots…

Don't worry, all those things will be done for the German factions too (in fact they are allready done and currently under testing). We had started with France with this titles'-system because France is a rather straight foreward "sandbox" for feudalism, while things in Germany are much more complex. Next came England, what naturaly included taking a look at Scotland too.

These kind of titles are planned to be implemented for all Catholic factions, including the Latin Byzantine and Crusader titles. Byzantium and the Muslims will most likely use different systems.

I’m very happy you included such important faction as Polabians, but I can’t look at how poorly you represent them. And they were so important for HRE! Maybe you need some assistance for this faction? I’ve got some good knowledge and ideas for Polabian units. And generally I’m interested in cooperation with you guys. You can check my mod here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=144354 If you can see sense in our cooperation – please let me know

Ah, thank you. I didn't know this mod. I'll PM you.

[beanu]

first of all I had tried this mod four weeks ago and I went bananas, kick ass in every little aspect, so congrats ppl for you work.
Secondly, a good thing got better? Finally We will be able to have a direct heir to succeed his father as king, that amazing, since the release of MIITW I always got annoyed with the inability to choose the heir and now YOU ppl may have given a big contribute to this cause. But How did you did that? I have been thinking and thinking about this subject, talking to some mates that know stuff about modding, and PMemimg a lot of competent and skilled modders and no one had given me a decent answer? So what´s the magic ingrediant
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU, I am gonna marry you all

[beanu]

cool stuff, really great.
This hereditary titles system applies to the king and it´s heirs, right? What would happen if the kings lineage would die out, no heirs of first and second grade? could the duke of "something", third cousin of the king, became king due to it´s family connections?

[konny]

This hereditary titles system applies to the king and it´s heirs, right?

No. These titles are open to everyone. Factionleader titles work different from them. For example, usualy only the factionleader of faction France can hold the title of a King of France. Different to that, the title of a Count of Anjou can be created by any faction that holds the Anjou. So there is a French Count of Anjou when the game starts, but England can also make one of her FMs Count of Anjou, after England conquered this province.

What is important, is that the holder of these titles create "Houses", here the "House of Anjou", what is a trait that is passed down to all their descendants. And this is the difference between the new dHRR system and the regional titles system of other mods: As long as any members of the "House of Anjou" are alive, one of them will inherit the title "Count of Anjou" when the holder dies. The exact order is: (natural) sons of a holder first, after that other members of the respective house.

In some occasions these titles are in fact identiacly to factionleader titles of other factions. For example, the factionleader of faction Swabia will always hold the title of a Duke of Swabia, but any other faction can create a Duke of Swabia of her own upon conquest of Swabia. This works for all (or most) titles that are ranking below king, and some kings' titles too....

What would happen if the kings lineage would die out, no heirs of first and second grade? could the duke of "something", third cousin of the king, became king due to it´s family connections?

This is part of our attempts to manipulate the way the game pics the heir. Yes, sons of a king have the highest priority (what also includes brothers of the recent king, when their father had been king too). Next come other members of the royal family, including characters that you have married to your princesses. After that nobles that hold the highest ranking titles, or that hold many titles.

This is of course cummulative: A FM that has married one of your princesses and is also Duke of Normandy has a higher chance to become next heir than the last living cousin of the king who does not hold any titles.

[beanu]

This is part of our attempts to manipulate the way the game pics the heir. Yes, sons of a king have the highest priority (what also includes brothers of the recent king, when their father had been king too). Next come other members of the royal family, including characters that you have married to your princesses. After that nobles that hold the highest ranking titles, or that hold many titles.

This is of course cummulative: A FM that has married one of your princesses and is also Duke of Normandy has a higher chance to become next heir than the last living cousin of the king who does not hold any titles.

That is exactly what I wanted to hear from you, that´s how I would work on that issue. Good job, You ppl ROCK