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    great stuff. we might be looking at goryeo's roster in more depth very soon.
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    Thank a lot to refer to my opinion ^^
    Well, I hope Gum-Cha would be a special unit of Goryeo faction that is very useful in attacking and defending against the enemy Heavy Cavalry....just like European Hulbert spearmen or Swiss Pike spearmen, But with more mobility (because Gum-Cha is a man-pushing vehicle with 3 wheels) than Heavy Infantries, and with higher cost to recruit this unit than Heavy Infantries.
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    Do you know where the name of "Korea" came from?

    The origin of name of "Korea" is...... yes!! exactly the "Goreyo"!!!

    When you spoke "Korea" and "Goryeo",
    didn't you feel that both pronunciations are almost same?

    Korea.... Koryeo.... Goryeo..... all is same!!!

    The Kingdom of "Goryeo (Koryeo)" has begun to be known as "Corea" to Saracen and Europe by Muslim merchants who visited Goryeo Kindom for trade in A.D.10th century.


    And.......

    The "Goryeo", the name of Goryeo Kingdom, was came from
    the ancient Korean Kingdom of "Koguryeo".

    Koguryeo ---------> Koryeo (Goryeo) ; middle pronunciation of 'gu' was omitted.

    The Kingdom of Koguryeo had existed from B.C.1st century to A.D.7th with Huge territory of Manchria and Northern Korean peninsula.
    The capital was Pyeong-Yang ; the capital city of North Korea of today.

    Gae-ma Cavalry, the Heavy Cavalry just like Kataphracts of Persia, was main millitary power.

    The Kingdom had dominated hegemony of the North-East Asia from A.D.5th century to 7th.
    So, Koguryeo always strived for supremacy with Unified Chinese Dynasty ; especially Sui and Tang.




    So, 10th century's Goryeo Kingdom did regard itself as the Descendant kingdom of the ancient Kingdom Koguryeo and had a will to recover Northern territory of ancient Koguryeo, especially Manchuria.

    Goryeo regarded the War for recovering northen territory as the Holy War. Because, Recovering the ancient nothern territory was the spirit of the national foundation.

    So, Goryeo always had conflincations and fought severly with northern Horse-riding people ; Kitan, Jurchen and Mongol.


    Below, I attach an image of Koguryeo's territory of 5th~6th century ; the period of prosperity.
    and.... the ancient illustration of Kataphracts(Gae-Ma) of Koguryeo
    and.... the Last, a picture of battle.
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    Here is Gae-Ma's Illustrations and Pictures.

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    I hope these would be reference to you

    These are images of Emperial Palace of Goryeo in capital Gae-Gyeong.

    Constructed in 10th century.





    ^^
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    The Great Garden for Kings, Queens and the Nobles
    called AnApJi in Kyeong-Ju

    ; But these are constructed in previous age(A.D.9th century), the "Shilla Dynasty", not in Goryeo Dynasty




    ^^
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    The Big Buddist Temples and wooden Pagodas in there in Goryeo

    ; But these are constructed in previous age(A.D.7th century), the "Three Kingdoms Age", not in Goryeo Dynasty


    These temples are all burned out during Mongolian invasion.

    Mongols had burned and destroyed almost of the essential architectures in pninsula for revenge

    because Goryeo government did not surrender and had kept fighting against them for 30 years.

    Finally Goryeo government surrendered after all the territory changed to ruins, hundreds thousands of people's massacred.

    So these pictures are the miniatures and 3D CG based on ancient documents and ruins.

    In record, it is said thst the Hwang-Ryong Temple was the biggest mostly well-known buddist temple in Asia in that world.

    The Hwang-Ryong Temple is in 1st image and its 9 floors Pagoda(270 feet high) in 4th pic.


    In Goryeo, Temples are the most important economic cores in national economy, so called "Temple-Economy".

    Buddist Temples were magnificently massive Producers and also Consumers at that time.

    A city which had Big Temple in it, prospered.

    Temples meant commercial, manufactural place as well as relligeous place to Goryeo people.

    Temples owned massive manors and manufature workshops and controled the wealthy merchants.

    To protect their profits, each Temple had Monk Warriors, just like Sohei in Japan.

    Temples co-owned each other the distribution network throughout the nation, or compete with each other. So....

    After Big temples were burned to be vanished because of Mongolian Invasion, the Economy of Goryeo collapsed to be bankrupt.
    became poor Kingdom...







    ^^
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    The Korean Fortresses or Castles enclosed all the city with the stone wall to protect all the citizens.

    The castles were very different from them of Japanese.

    Many PC games describe Korean Castles or Fortresses as like Japanese Castles.

    So, almost of Korean gamers has had unsatisfied feelings or has been even enraged with that.

    Millitary uniforms, weapons, architects etc were not exceptions.

    So we Korean gamers only hope that description about Korean People would be accurate even in games. I hope so too.

    I'm looking for the good game that Korean users would be able to feel sympathy with. Thanks to all the staff oh this AUH mode.

    Then, Below is the images of traditional Fortress of City.
    Last edited by tokimitsu; March 17, 2009 at 01:06 AM.

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    Yep, Yep- thanks for the additional info- I will need it

    ROME 2 Mod: More Cities and Settlements on Campaign Map:
    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=194761024

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    Again, great sources tokimitsu. The AUH team appreciates your research. Perhaps you want to join the team ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokimitsu View Post
    reference...

    1. Chain Mail of Goryeo Millitary
    2. Korean Royal Guard in Palace
    3. The ceremony of changing the Royal Guard in Palace
    (Please refer to these Upper Images ; Especially, the Armors and Helmets in image 2, 3 is supposed to be almost same as that of Goryeo)

    4. General in the latter period of Joseon Dynasty(after A.D.17C)
    5. Armors of Commander in Joseon
    6. Armors of Commander in Joseon
    7. Armors of Commander in Joseon
    8. Armors of Commander in Joseon

    9. The ceremony of changing the Royal Guard in Palace
    (Please refer to the way of carrying weapons in the Image 9,10. A Moon Blade, a Bow (including Arrows), and a Sword ; These 3 weapons were Full Arms of Royal Guard. It was Almost same as Goryeo Royal Guard, the former age ; But Military Dress or Armor of Goryeo was different from that of Joseon as you see. So Please do not refer Militery Uniforms in Images of 4,5,6,7,8,9. Because these are about Joseon Military Uniform. Just I wanna introduce them...)

    10. Korean Royal Guards (Almost same as that of Goryeo ; Weapons and Uniforms, Armors)



    Goryeo Dynasty : A.D. 936(Unification of Korea) ~ 1392
    Joseon Dynasty : A.D.1392 ~ 1910

    So... which unit can I make based on which picture?

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    Excellent stuff tokimitsu, really!

    We'd love to have you on the team, Korea is proving a difficult faction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokimitsu View Post
    Oh Sorry
    You can make based on these pics below

    <pic 1>

    Chain Mails and Helmets of Goryeo Soldiers.

    If these items in pic 1 are combinated, becomes just like pic 2 & pic 3 pics

    <pic 2>


    <pic 3>

    Well, look at the Guys in pic 2 & 3.

    They are wearing very smillar armors each other.

    This type of armor was normal among Captains, Corporals or Royal Guards in Goryeo.

    A Chain mail with the metal scales fixed on the surface.


    In pic 4, the foremost two soldiers are just same as pic 3.

    <pic 4>







    Pic 5 and 6 show us another type of full armed Goryeo soldiers. 5 and 6 are same each other.

    This type of armor is not chain mail, but Cotton-Leather mail with metal scales inner side of armor.

    The many yellow dots outside of the armor are Rivet's head!

    Rivets to fix each metal scales on innerside of the Armor.

    So we cannot see metal scales.
    <pic 5>



    <pic 6>


    Moon Blade, Sword and Bow(including Arrows ; Arrows are behind the each sodiers) ;

    These 3 Weapons are Full Arms of Goryeo sodiers.

    Moon Blade were often alternated with Long Spear.

    And please pay attention to the way of carrying Sword and Bow.

    Is it different from the way of European? Yes!

    Sword grip is facing backward and Bow is carried in left side of Soldier.

    This was unique style of Korean traditional Soldiers.

    This way of carryning Sword and Bow is different from that of China or Japan also.


    Below pic shows How to carry Arrows. Please take care ; The armor is not Goryeo's...








    <pic 7>


    A first Sergeant or Lieutenant millitary officer.

    According to his taste, weapons were various. A broadax was one of them.

    He is not put on any Helmet.


    <pic 8>


    Battle scene.
    The sodiers fighting in Background are Private Infantry Sodiers. Spearmen, Swordmen or Archers.


    <pic 9>
    The lieutenant of right side puts on the same Helmet as right side Helmet of pic 1.

    <pic 10>


    A Private Infantry is taking a rest ;

    He is wearing a armor of cotton-leather with metal scales fixed on inside of the armor.

    Do you see many Yellow Dots on the armor? The heads of Rivets!




    <pic 11> the Generals of Goryeo.

    But the way of carryng a Sword is Wrong in this Picture. You can understand what I'm saying.




    I hope these would be reference.....



    bonus....hehehe
    Picture spammer . These pictures aren't really useful, since they have been taken from... crappy angles. But I will do my best, I need to make those thinks today or else Yelü Dashi gets mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefaneke View Post
    Picture spammer . These pictures aren't really useful, since they have been taken from... crappy angles. But I will do my best, I need to make those thinks today or else Yelü Dashi gets mad.
    Well, I'm not pictuer spammer. Just I'd like to provide some thing useful about Millitary stuff for you, guy.

    The pics are permitted.

    I thought an Image is more effective than lots of words.....

    You will make units as your team including Mr. stellover planned, uh-huh?

    That's what I wish.

    I just intended to make opinions or provide facts about stuffs,

    Because the infornation about Korea is distorted-known and misunderstood in foreign country, I think

    With my poor English, I've tried to do my best.

    It is embarrassing.. Don't think badly of me.
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    Don't be rude to Tokimitsu, they were plenty helpful, especially the pictures of armour. Considering how little material is available on pre-Joseon Korea, I think we ought to be grateful for these pics.

    We've got the general idea of Gae Ma armour now thanks to toki.
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    Ignore Stefan Tokimitsu, you have provided more than enough in terms of inspiration. We thank you. If you can't make a unit based on those pictures then....

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    Oh Sorry
    You can make based on these pics below

    <pic 1>

    Chain Mails and Helmets of Goryeo Soldiers.

    If these items in pic 1 are combinated, becomes just like pic 2 & pic 3 pics

    <pic 2>


    <pic 3>

    Well, look at the Guys in pic 2 & 3.

    They are wearing very smillar armors each other.

    This type of armor was normal among Captains, Corporals or Royal Guards in Goryeo.

    A Chain mail with the metal scales fixed on the surface.


    In pic 4, the foremost two soldiers are just same as pic 3.

    <pic 4>







    Pic 5 and 6 show us another type of full armed Goryeo soldiers. 5 and 6 are same each other.

    This type of armor is not chain mail, but Cotton-Leather mail with metal scales inner side of armor.

    The many yellow dots outside of the armor are Rivet's head!

    Rivets to fix each metal scales on innerside of the Armor.

    So we cannot see metal scales.
    <pic 5>



    <pic 6>


    Moon Blade, Sword and Bow(including Arrows ; Arrows are behind the each sodiers) ;

    These 3 Weapons are Full Arms of Goryeo sodiers.

    Moon Blade were often alternated with Long Spear.

    And please pay attention to the way of carrying Sword and Bow.

    Is it different from the way of European? Yes!

    Sword grip is facing backward and Bow is carried in left side of Soldier.

    This was unique style of Korean traditional Soldiers.

    This way of carryning Sword and Bow is different from that of China or Japan also.


    Below pic shows How to carry Arrows. Please take care ; The armor is not Goryeo's...








    <pic 7>


    A first Sergeant or Lieutenant millitary officer.

    According to his taste, weapons were various. A broadax was one of them.

    He is not put on any Helmet.


    <pic 8>


    Battle scene.
    The sodiers fighting in Background are Private Infantry Sodiers. Spearmen, Swordmen or Archers.


    <pic 9>
    The lieutenant of right side puts on the same Helmet as right side Helmet of pic 1.

    <pic 10>


    A Private Infantry is taking a rest ;

    He is wearing a armor of cotton-leather with metal scales fixed on inside of the armor.

    Do you see many Yellow Dots on the armor? The heads of Rivets!




    <pic 11> the Generals of Goryeo.

    But the way of carryng a Sword is Wrong in this Picture. You can understand what I'm saying.




    I hope these would be reference.....



    bonus....hehehe



    The last pic below is Emperor of Goryo. (The name was Ui-Jong)
    This Drama is about the Rebellion of Moo-Shin(millitary subject ; Generals etc) in 1170
    He Became a victim of this treason of Moo-Shins.

    I think Goryeo story of AUH mod begins after the Excution of the Emperor Ui-Jong.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 경복궁 수문장 2.jpg  
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    Well, The pics are Vanishing again and again...

    Maybe the pics are very big.....

    So sorry...

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